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still_one

(92,190 posts)
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:16 AM May 2019

Mueller just said he never said Trump was not guilty. He said that a foreign government did try

to interfere with our election.

He made it very clear that a sitting president cannot be indicted, and that the president would need to be out of office for that to occur.

Ball is in the House's court.

Impeachment or not


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Mueller just said he never said Trump was not guilty. He said that a foreign government did try (Original Post) still_one May 2019 OP
That was all in Barr's original 4 page letter. Mueller wimped out and provided more cover for Hoyt May 2019 #1
Gosh dang it. Chin music May 2019 #3
He didn't exonerate Trump. He said it was up to Congress to impeach or not still_one May 2019 #6
we need to put pressure on Congress. bdamomma May 2019 #8
Exactly!!! still_one May 2019 #12
Barr said that in March. Nothing new today to spur Congress to act. Hoyt May 2019 #9
The public statement that Trump was not exonerated and that there was foreign interference puts still_one May 2019 #15
That was in Barr's letter two months ago. That didn't spur Congress to Impeach. Hoyt May 2019 #19
I understand your point, but this was from the horses mouth so to speak, and that has more still_one May 2019 #20
I hope so, but I would have thought Barr saying it would have caused the House to begin Hoyt May 2019 #21
How specifically did Mueller provide cover for trump? LanternWaste May 2019 #14
Well, Barr said the same thing over 2 months ago in his 4 page letter, and Impeachment has Hoyt May 2019 #22
Impeach! Impeach! Impeach the Sunny Beach!... abqtommy May 2019 #2
A foreign government interfered with our election, not tried to. Bluepinky May 2019 #4
Absolutely no abmiguity there, and the other take away was that the President was NOT exonerated of still_one May 2019 #16
it is nowhere plain that a sitting president is above the law ("ca not be indicted") rampartc May 2019 #5
He made it clear by the DOJ that was the constraint he had to follow. There is no use debating that still_one May 2019 #10
That is what it is boiling down too bdamomma May 2019 #7
The only way House will introduce Articles of Impeachment is with enough public pressure still_one May 2019 #11
exactly bdamomma May 2019 #13
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++ still_one May 2019 #17
we need to show these criminals bdamomma May 2019 #18
 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
1. That was all in Barr's original 4 page letter. Mueller wimped out and provided more cover for
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:18 AM
May 2019

trump and Barr. Disgusting.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
6. He didn't exonerate Trump. He said it was up to Congress to impeach or not
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:23 AM
May 2019

Nothing new, except it does provide added pressure on Congress


 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
9. Barr said that in March. Nothing new today to spur Congress to act.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:25 AM
May 2019

Congress should act, but there was absolutely nothing new today that might cause Congress to move forward. Worse, Mueller said if Congress makes him testify, what we heard today is what he will say.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
15. The public statement that Trump was not exonerated and that there was foreign interference puts
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:38 AM
May 2019

increased pressure on the House for impeachment. There is no ambiguity there

If the public puts enough pressure on their representatives to pursue impeachment, it might just happen


 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
19. That was in Barr's letter two months ago. That didn't spur Congress to Impeach.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:47 AM
May 2019

Agree, that if public puts pressure on representatives, that might work. But, it hasn't yet. In fact, polls clearly show the majority of people don't seem interested in Impeachment.

Maybe it helped for Mueller to say it today, but it didn't help when it was in writing 2 months ago.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
20. I understand your point, but this was from the horses mouth so to speak, and that has more
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:57 AM
May 2019

impact

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
21. I hope so, but I would have thought Barr saying it would have caused the House to begin
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:00 PM
May 2019

Impeachment in earnest -- OK, Mr. AG, we'll fulfill Mueller's implied recommendation.

Personally, I'm not sure Pelosi has the votes, and we all know the Senate isn't going to convict unless the polls suddenly swing to 65 to 70% of the electorate believe trump should be removed from office. Don't see that happening, but we can hope.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
14. How specifically did Mueller provide cover for trump?
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:33 AM
May 2019

Supported analysis or merely an emotional reaction?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
22. Well, Barr said the same thing over 2 months ago in his 4 page letter, and Impeachment has
Wed May 29, 2019, 12:06 PM
May 2019

not proceeded in earnest. Barr's letter reduced the pressure for Impeachment, and I don't see anything Mueller said today increasing pressure.

You can call it "emotional" or whatever you want, but I don't think Mueller said one thing today to move us closer to Impeachment, since it was said by Barr, in the redacted report, and Mueller said that's what I am going to say if I have to appear before Congress. And all that had no impact on Impeachment.

Bluepinky

(2,268 posts)
4. A foreign government interfered with our election, not tried to.
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:22 AM
May 2019

And the foreign government was aided by the Republican Party and its presidential candidate, Donald Trump. He needs to be impeached. If he’s not impeached and cheats his way to a second term, there may be no way to stop him.

still_one

(92,190 posts)
16. Absolutely no abmiguity there, and the other take away was that the President was NOT exonerated of
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:40 AM
May 2019

any crimes, contrary to what trump has said


rampartc

(5,407 posts)
5. it is nowhere plain that a sitting president is above the law ("ca not be indicted")
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:23 AM
May 2019

but if impeachment is the only remedy, " lets roll"

still_one

(92,190 posts)
10. He made it clear by the DOJ that was the constraint he had to follow. There is no use debating that
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:28 AM
May 2019

because that won't go anywhere

However, he clearly did not exonerate Trump of wrong doing, and definitely said there was for interference, and as you said, if you want to indict a sitting president, he needs to be removed from office by impeachment, and as you said, it is up to Congress to do their job


bdamomma

(63,849 posts)
7. That is what it is boiling down too
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:24 AM
May 2019

this is in the House's court.

Trump and his criminal posse are continuing to screw us and our country. Putin must be ecstatic.

bdamomma

(63,849 posts)
13. exactly
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:33 AM
May 2019

if those criminals think we will let this go, they are really delusional. tRump is a cornered rat, and so are the rest of them.

bdamomma

(63,849 posts)
18. we need to show these criminals
Wed May 29, 2019, 11:44 AM
May 2019

that some of us are awake, they (the thugs) discredit us tremendously. We blew them away in Nov. 2018 we need to do that again, and not wait until November 2020 we will have no country then.

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