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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsMueller's continued ambiguity is brutal.
And if it continues, it's going to make any type of impeachment difficult because, inherently, impeachment is a political maneuver and the right can hide behind that ambiguity.
Sure, Mueller said that if the President didn't commit a crime, we would have said so! He also didn't say the president committed a crime!
Charging Trump was not an option, Mueller says. Yet, that didn't stop the Clinton DoJ from charging Clinton with obstruction charges in the 90s.
While this report is not nearly as clear cut as Barr's failed interpretation of it - it's still muddled enough that I fear the House won't have that devastating moment that changes the narrative completely and moves the country closer to accepting impeachment/removal. The ambiguity is pretty fucking amazing considering we have a report, and Mueller's words. That's a tough sell. Sorry, but that's how I see it - especially since Mueller basically said he would not provide any additional evidence, beyond what's public, in any congressional hearing.
Mueller punted a deflating ball to the House and is expecting 'em to march 100 yards down and score through the air.
Chin music
(23,002 posts)report even says. I'd think. How can we put OUR investigation into gear, when neither Congress, nor the American Public have a full report?
HopeAgain
(4,407 posts)and there is nothing to add. I'm going to take him at his word, he looked with a penlight and found nothing in the dark abyss.
watoos
(7,142 posts)How about the president being named as a co-conspirator in a felony? How about obstruction of justice where 900 prosecutors and judges wrote a letter stating that based on the Mueller report they could convict Trump of obstruction. Those are just 2, how about abuse of power and witness tampering?
Drunken Irishman
(34,857 posts)No - no he didn't. Did Mueller's report find any of what you claim?
It's irrelevant what 900 prosecutors and judges say. I'm sure there were plenty of legal scholars who said Merrick Garland should have a proper nomination process. Republicans stonewalled and the American public rewarded 'em with the presidency.
Mueller has stated he won't provide any additional information, even if forced to speak in front of congress. If we're basing impeachment on what was specifically found by Mueller, his ambiguity, the fact he refuses to even concede Trump obstructed, will provide enough cover for Republicans.
Imagine Mueller in front of the House and point-blankly being asked:
Congressperson: Do you believe Trump obstructed?
Mueller: What I believe is in the report.
Congressperson: Is that a yes or no question?
Mueller: I outlined my findings in the report.
Congressperson: Please answer the question.
Mueller: I answered what I found in my report.
If the Democrats can't get Mueller to state obstruction was committed, it makes it inherently that much more difficult to lay out a case that isn't seen as wholly partisan.
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)firmly disambiguate Mueller's remarks and announce impeachment. Don't let trump be the one, once again, putting words in Mueller's mouth.
GoCubsGo
(32,080 posts)Hoyt
(54,770 posts)perception changes from what he stated in his redacted report teased in mid-April and even Barrs summary over 2 months ago.
I was hoping hed say something new that would change the polls regarding Impeachment, and concerns that Democrats dont have votes in the House to begin formal proceedings. Dont think he did, but will be happy to be wrong.
nocoincidences
(2,218 posts)Read the report. It's in the report.
Look what happened when Justin Amash read the report.
If the Republicans are too damned stupid to read the report, then a democrat needs to stand up on the floor and read it to them!!
Is there a reason that isn't happening?