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berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:57 AM May 2019

Lordy, There Are Voicemails (Admin officials / Congress critters telling Flynn to Obstruct)

The voicemails that Flynn provided as part of his plea will be released TOMORROW, May 31. Some of the voicemails, provided by Flynn, are Administration officials and/or people connected to the Administration telling Flynn not to cooperate.

From:

https://mobile.twitter.com/ninaandtito/status/1133885251388936192

The judge ordered the following:

"The government is hereby ORDERED to file on the public docket in this case the transcript of the "voicemail recording" referenced in the 75 Addendum to Government's Memorandum in Aid of Sentencing and the transcripts of any other audio recordings of Mr. Flynn, including, but not limited to, audio recordings of Mr. Flynn's conversations with Russian officials, by no later than May 31, 2019. It is FURTHER ORDERED that the government shall submit to Chambers audio versions of the recordings on a DVD by no later than May 31, 2019."


Additionally, w.r.t. Obstruction, the pertinent part:



“The defendant informed the government of multiple instances, both before and after his guilty plea, where either he or his attorneys received communications from persons connected to the Administration or Congress that could affect both his willingness to cooperate and the completeness of that cooperation. The defendant even provided a voicemail recording of one such communication.


Tomorrow ought to be interesting.
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Lordy, There Are Voicemails (Admin officials / Congress critters telling Flynn to Obstruct) (Original Post) berni_mccoy May 2019 OP
Well, so there is a smoking tape (voicemail)? Same kind of evidence that took Nixon down. sarabelle May 2019 #1
I believe it's spelled "smocking." N/T fleur-de-lisa May 2019 #16
Made me laugh! pandr32 May 2019 #29
Only if there are 18 missing minutes sop May 2019 #42
Nope. warmfeet May 2019 #47
"provided a voicemail recording of one such communication" jberryhill May 2019 #2
Sorry, it's in the tweet series berni_mccoy May 2019 #5
Ah okay jberryhill May 2019 #8
Please let it be Pence. Lars39 May 2019 #3
GMTA TruckFump May 2019 #6
Yep, if there's just one, let it be one that counts. Lars39 May 2019 #7
Oh, yes! TruckFump May 2019 #10
Oh Lordy...THIS!! Zoonart May 2019 #27
ZOMG Blue Owl May 2019 #36
Well, besides a glow stick. Lars39 May 2019 #37
or a termite buffet (from Tengrain at Mock Paper Scissors) CharleyDog May 2019 #39
OMG TruckFump May 2019 #4
Nunes? McConnell? Jordan? redstatebluegirl May 2019 #9
Graham? Scarsdale May 2019 #12
Hmmm... certainly could be. calimary May 2019 #28
I'm guessing Nunes NewJeffCT May 2019 #26
We know Flynn exchanged messages with Gaetz, but not sure if this is him. CaptainTruth May 2019 #31
John Barron (R) ? Achilleaze May 2019 #11
Bwaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah malaise May 2019 #17
No wonder Trump likes using his alias... Marie Marie May 2019 #38
That one is priceless! Dem2theMax May 2019 #41
Holy Shit! kentuck May 2019 #13
Thanks for the reminder! Cetacea May 2019 #14
And the Reason,,,,,,, Cryptoad May 2019 #15
Great question. Anyone have an answer? Takket May 2019 #19
Sounds like, "sh*t, meet fan" to me pdsimdars May 2019 #18
OK, so I can understand why impeachment is not the go-to action Farmer-Rick May 2019 #20
Well somebody's got to bring the charges. And that somebody--on the federal level--is the DOJ. Tommy_Carcetti May 2019 #23
Thanks for the info. Farmer-Rick May 2019 #50
I don't think this is new Raven123 May 2019 #21
If lawyers are involved in obstruction watoos May 2019 #22
Yep, this Friday Flynn revelation promise has kept me goin this week!! Leghorn21 May 2019 #24
Here's the link to the unrolled version meow2u3 May 2019 #25
Wait ScratchCat May 2019 #30
Guuliani and Sekulow are trying it on, as if it were a single conversational remark, Ford_Prefect May 2019 #35
Flynn's treason-with-turkey Nevilledog May 2019 #32
This is why I question Mueller mercuryblues May 2019 #44
Seriously good post. thanks for the effort! BadGimp May 2019 #33
K & R for exposure. SunSeeker May 2019 #34
And of course, Flynn was the ONLY one leaned on this way, right? NBachers May 2019 #40
tRUMP flunkies get the dirty work while the Fn MORON just tweets ...nt SayItLoud May 2019 #43
Tomorrow ought to be LIT, berni! Leghorn21 May 2019 #45
"...from persons connected to the Administration or Congress" yonder May 2019 #46
Kick this sucka. nt UniteFightBack May 2019 #48
it's a safe bet Putin is paying the Idiot to be his puppet onetexan May 2019 #49
 

sarabelle

(453 posts)
1. Well, so there is a smoking tape (voicemail)? Same kind of evidence that took Nixon down.
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:02 AM
May 2019

Can we begin the impeachment process yet, Nancy?

warmfeet

(3,321 posts)
47. Nope.
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:42 PM
May 2019

Sorry, powder might not stay quite as dry.

Must Keep Powder Dry!

For something in the future that actually matters.

Implying that this does .......................................... not ..................................... actually .................................. matter.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. "provided a voicemail recording of one such communication"
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:04 AM
May 2019

It seems that he provided "one" voicemail recording, so is there something I'm missing in your statement that there are multiple such recordings?

Is there some other document which refers to more than one voicemail?
 

berni_mccoy

(23,018 posts)
5. Sorry, it's in the tweet series
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:13 AM
May 2019

I should have included that in the OP.

"The government is hereby ORDERED to file on the public docket in this case the transcript of the "voicemail recording" referenced in the 75 Addendum to Government's Memorandum in Aid of Sentencing and the transcripts of any other audio recordings of Mr. Flynn, including, but not limited to, audio recordings of Mr. Flynn's conversations with Russian officials, by no later than May 31, 2019. It is FURTHER ORDERED that the government shall submit to Chambers audio versions of the recordings on a DVD by no later than May 31, 2019."
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
8. Ah okay
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:24 AM
May 2019

The order is to "the 'voicemail recording'" singular, and to "any" other recordings. "Any" is open-ended as to existence.

TruckFump

(5,812 posts)
10. Oh, yes!
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:44 AM
May 2019

Trump impeached and removed, Pence charged and OUR MS. SPEAKER NANCY NEXT IN LINE!!!!!!!!!!!

Farmer-Rick

(10,170 posts)
20. OK, so I can understand why impeachment is not the go-to action
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:30 AM
May 2019

what with the Senate in the grips of mass traitor-ism. But with this being such blatant evidence of Trump and his congressman cohorts running a criminal enterprise, something has to be done to attempt to stop them.

But what about just bringing charges and indicting Traitor Trump. This BS that you can't indict a sitting president is just BS, and if the Supremes uphold the BS, we are no worse off than we are now.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
23. Well somebody's got to bring the charges. And that somebody--on the federal level--is the DOJ.
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:48 AM
May 2019

Lead by Bill Barr.

Private citizens, or even Congress, can't just bring criminal charges on their own.

Now, there are state Attorneys General who I guess could play the game and try to indict Trump on state charges (I'm looking at you, New York.) That would probably end up in the courts.

Farmer-Rick

(10,170 posts)
50. Thanks for the info.
Fri May 31, 2019, 11:06 AM
May 2019

I thought Congress could indict aside from an impeachment.

I see, he would have to be charged under state laws. I guess the courts would throw it back to the feds if they brought up federal crimes. Then we are back to Barr.

Seems the RepubliCONS have out maneuvered their own laws...just for Trump and all the rich capitalist.

 

watoos

(7,142 posts)
22. If lawyers are involved in obstruction
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:45 AM
May 2019

I think they need to be disbarred. Would appreciate the procedure for doing that, any lawyers out there?

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
24. Yep, this Friday Flynn revelation promise has kept me goin this week!!
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:49 AM
May 2019

Whassupp, Flynn, ya fuckin traitor moron

meow2u3

(24,764 posts)
25. Here's the link to the unrolled version
Thu May 30, 2019, 10:50 AM
May 2019
https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1133885251388936192.html

'member when the judge was like, "Mike Flynn you committed treason so ya better do more cooperating"
welp.
Mike Flynn is Person A and Flynn "Intelligence" is Company A and you should read this excerpt from the superseding indictment of Flynn's co-conspirators, Kian & Alptekin:


and this:

Then this was on 5/16/19:
"Sullivan also ordered that still-redacted portions of the Mueller report that relate to Flynn be given to the court and made public."
and then the superseding indictment with the additional details of Flynn's treason-with-turkey in paragraph 57 was filed 5/23/19.
Expect more bombshells.
.
"The transcripts, which the judge ordered be posted on a court website by May 31, would reveal conversations at the center of two major avenues of special counsel Robert S. Mueller III’s investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election."
May 31 is Friday .
"The government is FURTHER ORDERED to file on the public docket in this case by no later than May 31, 2019 an unredacted version of those portions of the report that relate to Mr. Flynn. Signed by Judge Emmet G. Sullivan on 5/16/2019. (lcegs3) (Entered: 05/16/2019)"

(link to 5/15 WaPo article: https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/judge-orders-public-release-of-what-michael-flynn-said-in-call-to-russian-ambassador/2019/05/16/1e68712a-7825-11e9-bd25-c989555e7766_story.html?utm_term=.01e2220d1969)


(much more at link)


ScratchCat

(1,990 posts)
30. Wait
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:32 AM
May 2019

Haven't Guliani and Sekulow already argued that there is nothing illegal about telling people to not cooperate with Mueller or to lie to Congress? Why would this change anything?

Ford_Prefect

(7,897 posts)
35. Guuliani and Sekulow are trying it on, as if it were a single conversational remark,
Thu May 30, 2019, 12:21 PM
May 2019

rather than repeated and emphatic commands or threats. Flynn has characterized the interactions as direct instructions from the administration or its proxies. A single instance might be legally debatable but a series of similar contacts form a pattern. It seems unlikely that anyone would risk influencing Flynn without considerable cause of their own or direction from above, as it were.

Assuming the evidence makes either condition clear it would seem that there may be a larger pattern of obstruction indicated. IMO Friday will be a very long day for someone if not several of them.



Nevilledog

(51,102 posts)
32. Flynn's treason-with-turkey
Thu May 30, 2019, 11:38 AM
May 2019

Was that at Thanksgiving? Not sure I want details of how Flynn committed treason by the use of a turkey.

mercuryblues

(14,531 posts)
44. This is why I question Mueller
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:52 PM
May 2019

Just before trump took office, Obama was going to OK a plan to combat ISIS. Turkey was not in favor of arming Syrians. Out of respect he asked trump's team to ok it. Flynn gave a resounding no. Come to find out Flynn was an unregistered agent of Turkey at that time.

After Flynn was out at the white house, a version of the plan was okayed. Which has helped diminish ISIS in the region, lessening their global terrorism threat.

Leghorn21

(13,524 posts)
45. Tomorrow ought to be LIT, berni!
Thu May 30, 2019, 08:59 PM
May 2019

FYI, here's the link to Judge Sullivan's court website, where pertinent FLYNN documents and his chat with Kislyak will be posted...hopefully:

https://www.dcd.uscourts.gov/judge-emmet-g-sullivans-court-web-page

(I'm going to start checking it starting at 12:01 tonight... )

yonder

(9,665 posts)
46. "...from persons connected to the Administration or Congress"
Thu May 30, 2019, 09:34 PM
May 2019

Key word is or but the plural of person(s) suggests more than one.

Administration: Could be anybody but Pence would be delightful, as in hello Madame President Pelosi.

Congress: My guess is Nunes or Graham but wouldn't it be something if McConnell got himself fixed to the flypaper?

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