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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsIf impeachment causes us to lose in 2020 so be it. It's as though we lost in 2018 right now.
We seem to have no power with what we won or at least we act as though we have no power.
If impeachment is not upheld in the Senate, so what. Trump will still have to win in 2020 and I just do not believe that a solid majority of the voters will vote for him. If they do and we win the Senate and keep the House, we can impeach him again.
pecosbob
(7,538 posts)Not that I disagree with your position.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
dansolo
(5,376 posts)And losing an impeachment vote would even be worse. Until Nancy can be sure that an impeachment vote will even pass, it would be idiotic to force a vote now.
hadEnuf
(2,189 posts)If there are grounds for an impeachment vote then who cares in the Senate doesn't vote to convict?
If the evidence is good enough and the GOP controlled Senate still refuses to dispense justice, then they will show the whole country that they are partisan scum protecting their criminal.
I don't see how that would bode well for any of them in the next election.
watoos
(7,142 posts)that I am for impeachment now is because of the courts. Trump/Barr are stonewalling everything, ignoring requests for documents, ignoring subpoenas, refusing a federal judges order to release Flynn evidence.
Democrats have no one to interview, they are interviewing John Dean for god's sake. This is going to be decided in the courts. Trump/Barr don't even want to win the court cases, they want them delayed until the election. Democrats want the courts to expedite decisions before election time. Republicans will have a pretty good argument in the courts not to expedite since Democrats are taking their time going for impeachment. Republicans can claim that Democrats are just carrying out a witch hunt against Trump, that they have no evidence to impeach him. Starting an impeachment inquiry would disprove the Republican argument.
Chin music
(23,002 posts)Can't ask the Dems here to hurry, or you're bashing Dems. The gop does whatever the F they like, wo consequences. Congress/Senate gets paid the long dollar so, no hurry in their giddy up. They haven't walked a mile in most of our shoes, probably ever. They all have crisp, benefit laden jobs. Really seems the urgency is lacking, until they need us to vote. 4 wasted years of our lives, but get excited when they need something. I need Congressional justice, then we can talk about a vote....16 months away.
larwdem
(758 posts)Then every one on this site wonders why oh why do dems not come out to vote.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
Tipperary
(6,930 posts)Just wait and see.
InAbLuEsTaTe
(24,122 posts)Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!
unblock
(52,205 posts)it is hugely important that they do not hold the house
Its not anything at all what it would be like if we had lost in 2018.
TalenaGor
(1,104 posts)We as a country need to stand up and say this is not who and what we are.....
TalenaGor
(1,104 posts)Chin music
(23,002 posts)Or just bending over?
TalenaGor
(1,104 posts)JoeOtterbein
(7,700 posts)And fight, like your life depends on it.
Because it does.
RandiFan1290
(6,229 posts)Country before party.
EffieBlack
(14,249 posts)Seriously?
Because it's so much better to make a point about how unfit and dangerous this man is than to stop this dangerous and unfit man from maintaining power for an additional four years.
No, thanks.
brooklynite
(94,513 posts)We were elected to deal with pocket-book issues that voters cared about.
I met with 40-50 candidates in the last cycle. None of them said that voters were talking about Trump / Russia / Impeachment.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)brooklynite
(94,513 posts)bearsfootball516
(6,377 posts)The vast majority of House red to blue flips came in moderate districts where Democrats campaigned on healthcare, jobs and average Joe issues while leaving Trump completely out of it.
JI7
(89,247 posts)and other issues like gun control depending on the district.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)77% of self-identified Democrats supported impeachment in the exit polls, compared with just 5% of Republicans and 33% of independents.
Turin_C3PO
(13,974 posts)Many reps are reporting that calls to impeach increase everyday. Plus, its just the right thing to do. Trumps criminality must be historically documented even if we cant convict him. Thats my opinion anyway.
Initech
(100,068 posts)I would love to see him take the perp walk in Supermax, but that's wishful thinking at this point.
USALiberal
(10,877 posts)sarisataka
(18,628 posts)Thank you for your opinion
As to how we keep the House and win the Senate while losing the Presidential election, I won't even ask.
ancianita
(36,041 posts)Our power is the process of following The Law, whether people are comfortable with that or not.
This is delay of gratification time, and it's part of the adult long game.
You're right about the vote.
I don't know about the part about impeaching him after that. But we'll see.
Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)and when they get contempt orders the DOJ wont enforce them.
We are fucked either way, trust me.
wryter2000
(46,039 posts)Does not reflect the content of your post.
Me.
(35,454 posts)Really...tell that to kids stuffed in vans for nearly 2 days at a time at the border.
JI7
(89,247 posts)one of the powers of having majority is just being able to prevent things from coming up for a vote.
if Republicans controlled the house they would have that power.