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Mon Jun 3, 2019, 11:19 PM

 

If impeachment causes us to lose in 2020 so be it. It's as though we lost in 2018 right now.

We seem to have no power with what we won or at least we act as though we have no power.

If impeachment is not upheld in the Senate, so what. Trump will still have to win in 2020 and I just do not believe that a solid majority of the voters will vote for him. If they do and we win the Senate and keep the House, we can impeach him again.

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Reply If impeachment causes us to lose in 2020 so be it. It's as though we lost in 2018 right now. (Original post)
sarabelle Jun 2019 OP
pecosbob Jun 2019 #1
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #5
dansolo Jun 2019 #13
hadEnuf Jun 2019 #15
watoos Jun 2019 #2
Chin music Jun 2019 #4
larwdem Jun 2019 #10
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #6
Tipperary Jun 2019 #17
InAbLuEsTaTe Jun 2019 #22
unblock Jun 2019 #3
ooky Jun 2019 #7
TalenaGor Jun 2019 #8
TalenaGor Jun 2019 #9
Chin music Jun 2019 #12
TalenaGor Jun 2019 #30
JoeOtterbein Jun 2019 #11
RandiFan1290 Jun 2019 #14
EffieBlack Jun 2019 #16
brooklynite Jun 2019 #18
Joe941 Jun 2019 #23
brooklynite Jun 2019 #24
bearsfootball516 Jun 2019 #27
JI7 Jun 2019 #33
Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2019 #35
Turin_C3PO Jun 2019 #31
Initech Jun 2019 #19
USALiberal Jun 2019 #20
sarisataka Jun 2019 #21
ancianita Jun 2019 #25
Eliot Rosewater Jun 2019 #26
wryter2000 Jun 2019 #28
Me. Jun 2019 #29
JI7 Jun 2019 #32
mahina Jun 2019 #34

Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2019, 11:24 PM

1. I think if we had not retaken the House it would be much, much worse.

Not that I disagree with your position.

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Response to pecosbob (Reply #1)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 12:47 AM

5. Yes...and not impeaching that shitstain on the office of President will also make things much worse!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #5)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 06:43 AM

13. Impeachment without removal does what exactly?

And losing an impeachment vote would even be worse. Until Nancy can be sure that an impeachment vote will even pass, it would be idiotic to force a vote now.

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Response to dansolo (Reply #13)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 10:35 AM

15. Inpeachment investigations and hearings would do the most good right now.

If there are grounds for an impeachment vote then who cares in the Senate doesn't vote to convict?

If the evidence is good enough and the GOP controlled Senate still refuses to dispense justice, then they will show the whole country that they are partisan scum protecting their criminal.

I don't see how that would bode well for any of them in the next election.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2019, 11:40 PM

2. One of the reasons

 

that I am for impeachment now is because of the courts. Trump/Barr are stonewalling everything, ignoring requests for documents, ignoring subpoenas, refusing a federal judges order to release Flynn evidence.

Democrats have no one to interview, they are interviewing John Dean for god's sake. This is going to be decided in the courts. Trump/Barr don't even want to win the court cases, they want them delayed until the election. Democrats want the courts to expedite decisions before election time. Republicans will have a pretty good argument in the courts not to expedite since Democrats are taking their time going for impeachment. Republicans can claim that Democrats are just carrying out a witch hunt against Trump, that they have no evidence to impeach him. Starting an impeachment inquiry would disprove the Republican argument.

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Response to watoos (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 12:22 AM

4. Honestly pretty sick of ALL of it.

Can't ask the Dems here to hurry, or you're bashing Dems. The gop does whatever the F they like, wo consequences. Congress/Senate gets paid the long dollar so, no hurry in their giddy up. They haven't walked a mile in most of our shoes, probably ever. They all have crisp, benefit laden jobs. Really seems the urgency is lacking, until they need us to vote. 4 wasted years of our lives, but get excited when they need something. I need Congressional justice, then we can talk about a vote....16 months away.

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Response to Chin music (Reply #4)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 01:26 AM

10. Yes then every one

Then every one on this site wonders why oh why do dems not come out to vote.

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Response to watoos (Reply #2)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 12:49 AM

6. Exactly right!! Impeach the Traitor-in-Chief... NOW!! There's no time to waste!!


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
Welcome to the revolution!!!

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Response to InAbLuEsTaTe (Reply #6)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 10:38 AM

17. Someone will be along to explain things to you soon. One of our du "experts."

 

Just wait and see.

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Response to Tipperary (Reply #17)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 12:49 PM

22. Look forward to hearing an explanation.


Bernie & Elizabeth 2020!!!
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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Mon Jun 3, 2019, 11:43 PM

3. We don't see them not passing right-wing laws, but

it is hugely important that they do not hold the house

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 12:55 AM

7. No.

Its not anything at all what it would be like if we had lost in 2018.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 01:24 AM

8. ethics and morality need to make a stand here...

We as a country need to stand up and say this is not who and what we are.....

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Response to TalenaGor (Reply #8)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 01:25 AM

9. and for the record, I was standing up when I type that lol

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Response to TalenaGor (Reply #9)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 01:35 AM

12. Standing desk?

Or just bending over?

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Response to Chin music (Reply #12)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 08:58 PM

30. even better....my phone 😀

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 01:31 AM

11. Yes! Please keep saying it loud like that!

And fight, like your life depends on it.

Because it does.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 06:48 AM

14. Agree

Country before party.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 10:36 AM

16. So be it?

 

Seriously?

Because it's so much better to make a point about how unfit and dangerous this man is than to stop this dangerous and unfit man from maintaining power for an additional four years.

No, thanks.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 10:41 AM

18. We weren't elected in 2018 to Impeach Trump

We were elected to deal with pocket-book issues that voters cared about.

I met with 40-50 candidates in the last cycle. None of them said that voters were talking about Trump / Russia / Impeachment.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 01:13 PM

23. wrong. 2018 was all about impeachment and getting rid of tRump.

 

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 03:03 PM

24. I have the evidence from our winning House and Senate candidates. What do you have?

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 05:15 PM

27. That's not even remotely accurate

The vast majority of House red to blue flips came in moderate districts where Democrats campaigned on healthcare, jobs and average Joe issues while leaving Trump completely out of it.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #23)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 09:09 PM

33. no it wasn't. it was all about health care and saving ACA

and other issues like gun control depending on the district.

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Response to Joe941 (Reply #23)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:53 AM

35. Joe ! Exit polls 2018 - Most Democrats want impeachment

https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/07/politics/exit-polls-impeachment/index.html

77% of self-identified Democrats supported impeachment in the exit polls, compared with just 5% of Republicans and 33% of independents.

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Response to brooklynite (Reply #18)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 09:01 PM

31. True enough BUT

Many reps are reporting that calls to impeach increase everyday. Plus, itís just the right thing to do. Trumpís criminality must be historically documented even if we canít convict him. Thatís my opinion anyway.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 10:43 AM

19. Traitor Mitch is really the problem.

I would love to see him take the perp walk in Supermax, but that's wishful thinking at this point.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 10:48 AM

20. Call Nancy. She knows more than anyone here! Nt

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 10:55 AM

21. 4 more years, so be it?

Thank you for your opinion

As to how we keep the House and win the Senate while losing the Presidential election, I won't even ask.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 05:08 PM

25. How it SEEMS and how it IS are a matter of appearances. I think you need more faith about that.

Our power is the process of following The Law, whether people are comfortable with that or not.

This is delay of gratification time, and it's part of the adult long game.

You're right about the vote.

I don't know about the part about impeaching him after that. But we'll see.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 05:09 PM

26. Almost NONE of the witnesses needed to come before the impeachment hearings will NOT COME

and when they get contempt orders the DOJ wont enforce them.

We are fucked either way, trust me.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 05:30 PM

28. Your subject line

Does not reflect the content of your post.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 06:29 PM

29. So Be It?

Really...tell that to kids stuffed in vans for nearly 2 days at a time at the border.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Tue Jun 4, 2019, 09:04 PM

32. that's BS . one reason we don't have stupid votes to repeal ACA is becsuse we won the house

one of the powers of having majority is just being able to prevent things from coming up for a vote.

if Republicans controlled the house they would have that power.

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Response to sarabelle (Original post)

Wed Jun 5, 2019, 12:17 AM

34. Oh hell no.

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