So the Con plans to defy the Supreme Court re the Census question

[malaise]

Lock him the fuck up!

[spanone]

1. IMPEACH HIS FUCKING ASS NOW!!!!

[watoos]

13. Now, now, it's too soon,

You’re going to get called out for bashing Pelosi, trust me I know.

[Kid Berwyn]

38. Absolutely.

Like coach Darryl Rogers said about his gig with the Detroit Lions: “What does a guy have to do to get impeached around here?”

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

2. And who's gonna do the "locking up"? nt

[watoos]

5. Why not ask

Why aren’t we impeaching him?

It’s too soon if he is just defying the SC, no biggie, keep your powder dry.

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

53. Yeah that dry powder from way back in 2006 has disintegrated by now. nt

[Kablooie]

3. Just what I expected. The census will have the question on it in defiance of SCOTUS decision.

I mean what can they do?
Impeach him?

[woodsprite]

35. They may already be printed with the question and they just *said* that it wasn't on there. nt

[Kablooie]

36. You're probably right.

Someone had better check on the printing of the forms soon before it's really too late to do anything about it.

[avebury]

4. This might make the SC less apt to

side with Dump on other issues.

[watoos]

7. Now that made me laugh, sorry.

[JustThinking...]

8. Ha!

Your funny.

[leftstreet]

6. He will never resign. He will never be impeached

Unless the Democrats can score some serious wins over him and make him look like a complete loser, he'll get reelected

[watoos]

9. Um, impeachment hearings will make him

Look like a complete loser.

[leftstreet]

10. When do they start?

[watoos]

15. Pelosi doesn't want them.

[leftstreet]

22. There ya go

It's depressing

[Me.]

26. Stop

You continue to present her position incorrectly. Do you like it when it's done to Senator Sanders?

[watoos]

37. I respectfully disagree

The Speaker is very clear with her caucus behind closed doors. She was pretty clear to me when she said her strategy was to beat Trump at the ballot box.

[Me.]

50. She Is Pretty Clear

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2019/06/nancy-pelosi-public-opinion-and-timing-matter/591385/

[malaise]

27. You'll know like the rest of us n/t

[Fullduplexxx]

11. Well nancy? At what point does she become an enabler

[Mme. Defarge]

12. If the Supreme Court could stop the recount and install GWB as POTUS

Why can't they block the census from going out?

[Gothmog]

14. I would hate to be the DOJ attorney

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[watoos]

21. The first thing I would have done

We’re I Speaker Pelosi once Trump’s lawyer Dowd claimed he was the author of 1 of Trump’s Tweets would have been to declare that Trump’s Tweets are not valid forms of communication.

[Gothmog]

28. Arggh

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[Gothmog]

56. From Prof. Tribe

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[Honeycombe8]

17. Why are they going to try? Becaaaaauuuuuse, nothing happens when they defy the law.

They get away with it.

[Bettie]

18. And that is the core of the problem

it doesn't matter what they do.

No impeachment, no pushback, nothing happens except they get to give more money to their donors (for example, those contractors who are running Trump's concentration camps).

OK, to be fair, they might get a sternly worded letter asking nicely that they attempt to follow the law, if it is convenient for them to do so.

[Honeycombe8]

19. We have set a bad precedent. nt

[watoos]

24. There is no good reason not to impeach.

Remember history. Nancy Pelosi was Speaker in 2010 when Republicans flipped 64 seats.

[Turin_C3PO]

30. We lost 2010 because the Republicans

successfully demonized Obamacare plus some progressives sat out, cutting their nose to spit their face.

[watoos]

39. Whose fault was it

That Dems did a bad job explaining Obamacare?
Whose fault was it that the Obamacare roll out was a disaster? Dems lost 64 House seats because they were too timid to stand up for Obamacare.

[Turin_C3PO]

41. Sure, the Dems should have explained it and defended it better.

But if progressives had turned out in large numbers, it would’ve been a moot point. I do agree that it’s time to impeach him. I still think Pelosi has a strategy in mind to eventually open an impeachment inquiry.

[Honeycombe8]

31. I didn't always think this. But I tend to agree now.

I don't think they will, though.

[Turin_C3PO]

25. The Democrats should impeach.

But, other than that, there’s not much they can do. We have a complicit Senate and DOJ. If we get power in 2020, we can hold them accountable legally. I think that’s our only hope.

[Bettie]

32. Well, since impeachment is off the table

we can hope that we can win in 2020, though I doubt that the election will be secure or at all honest.

[Turin_C3PO]

34. The election

will be like 2016. We will be at a disadvantage due to Russian interference, Republican voter suppression, and an unfavorable electoral college.

The key is, we must turn out in huge numbers to overcome those obstacles. The good news is that I don’t think people will be as susceptible to Russian propaganda this time. Plus there will be less people voting third party or staying home, I think.

[watoos]

40. Well said

[ginnyinWI]

20. Never conflate what he says with what he did or will do.

It’s mostly empty of anything meaningful.

[rufus dog]

23. And that would officially put us into Constitutional Crisis

Not sure why anyone is surprised.

[Bettie]

29. We're already there

and, apparently, there is still nothing that any of our congresspersons can or are willing to do.

[rufus dog]

33. technically no

Defying a SC Decision would leave no wiggle room

[watoos]

42. Any Constitutional scholars in the House?

[DFW]

43. No president has ever defied a Supreme Court decision before

But, of course, no Senate Majority leader has ever denied a president the right to nominate a Supreme Court Justice before, either, so there isn't really any question of whether or not the Republicans in the Senate will back the Court or Trump. McTurtle has already made the answer to that one crystal clear way before now. McTurtle will back the SCOTUS ONLY when they have such a lopsided majority that it will become nothing other than a rubber stamp for right wing decisions.

[sir pball]

49. Er, Andrew Jackson did...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Worcester_v._Georgia

[DFW]

55. OK, I should have limited that to "in modern times"

This is not pre Civil-War America, you're right. Different set of circumstances back then.

[avebury]

44. Nobody should answer the citenship question if it does make it to the form.

If questioned about it, just cite the SC ruling.

[former9thward]

45. That was not what the SC said in the decision.

They said the question could not be added at this time. They left it open if additional information convinced them. They sent the case back to the lower courts for more argument which is where it is right now.

[kairos12]

46. He will probably order the question to be added and tell SCOTUS and Congress

do something about it.

[AJT]

47. My mother recieved a sample census in the mail. The citizenship question was on it.

She is a trumpie fan, and a Canadian immigrant, so she answered it. There is a threat on the sample that if it is not fully filled out a federal agent will be sent out to her home. This is not even the real census, but it is a legal requirement that it be filled out. It was very intimidating.

[Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin]

48. Emulating his hero Andrew Jackson

The forced relocation of the Cherokee to Oklahoma was in defiance of a Supreme Court decision that said such was illegal.

Jackson was the only president to date to ignore the Supreme Court.

[BKDem]

51. This is Banana Republic bullshit

This fucking asshole has to be stopped.

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

52. He wants to but he hasn't been successful. The transcript of the hearing is here:

https://www.documentcloud.org/documents/6182647-Census-Hearing-Transcript-7-3.html

The judge made it clear that the injunction is still in effect. One of the government lawyers said he'd been instructed to figure out a way to include the question while still complying with the Supreme Court's order (he's also been instructed by Trump to spin straw into gold, but that's another project). The judge wants an explanation by Friday as to how this might happen, but the injunction still holds.

[kentuck]

54. He can defy the Supreme Court as much as he likes and they can do nothing about it...

Only the House of Representatives has any recourse.

It's called impeachment.