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madville

(7,412 posts)
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 10:37 PM Jul 2019

San Francisco to paint over historic George Washington mural

SAN FRANCISCO (AP) — San Francisco will spend up to $600,000 to paint over historical artwork at a public school depicting the life of George Washington, a mural once seen as educational and innovative but now criticized as racist and degrading for its depiction of black and Native American people.

The “Life of Washington” was painted by Victor Arnautoff, one of the foremost muralists in the San Francisco area during the Depression. The San Francisco School Board’s decision to paint over the 83-year-old mural is prompting some to worry that other artwork from the so-called New Deal era could face a similar fate because of changing sensitivities.

In addition to depicting Washington as a soldier, surveyor and statesman, the 13-panel, 1,600-sqaure foot mural at George Washington High School contains images of white pioneers standing over the body of a Native American and slaves working at Washington’s Mount Vernon estate in Virginia.

The board’s decision last week comes at a time when the legacies of Washington and other historical figures who owned slaves are being re-examined. Some cities have changed the names of streets and buildings named after slave owners.

https://www.apnews.com/9f3037c7ec9d48a286059ac8f9975afe

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San Francisco to paint over historic George Washington mural (Original Post) madville Jul 2019 OP
I wish there was a way to preserve it instead of destroying it madville Jul 2019 #1
Things seem to be getting a bit DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #2
Yes, history suffers AGAIN/still. elleng Jul 2019 #12
This is so sad Raine Jul 2019 #19
Ditto, and it's GONE. elleng Jul 2019 #20
Yes, it is DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #22
I agree.... Historic NY Jul 2019 #18
$600K is a scam. all one needs is a hundred gallons of $20/gallon beige paint nt msongs Jul 2019 #3
Most of the money is for the environmental impact study and legal fees madville Jul 2019 #10
This is a little too far - in my opinion. bitterross Jul 2019 #4
This ... +100 ... and 600K is f***ing ridiculous ... (nt) mr_lebowski Jul 2019 #8
Exactly! nt Raine Jul 2019 #17
This should be used as a teachable moment. BlueIdaho Jul 2019 #5
Could not agree more!! senseandsensibility Jul 2019 #9
You said a mouthful! BlueIdaho Jul 2019 #11
Utter madness BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #6
WTF about Guernica is racist or otherwise looked upon with disdain in contemporary times? nt greyl Jul 2019 #13
It's the fucking truth BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #16
No shit. Tipperary Jul 2019 #14
Agree Raine Jul 2019 #15
This message was self-deleted by its author littlemissmartypants Jul 2019 #7
I find it offensive and inappropriate for a high school. It has an interesting history Tech Jul 2019 #21

madville

(7,412 posts)
1. I wish there was a way to preserve it instead of destroying it
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 10:38 PM
Jul 2019

Some suggestions were to cover it with something besides painting over it but the argument is that everyone would know it was still there.

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
2. Things seem to be getting a bit
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 10:44 PM
Jul 2019

silly...

Is this not historically accurate? White pioneers did kill Native Americans and Washington owned slaves. What does painting over those facts accomplish?

Raine

(30,541 posts)
19. This is so sad
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 11:56 PM
Jul 2019

we need to remember where we came from to know where we're going. History was my college major, so hate to see it used this way

DeminPennswoods

(15,290 posts)
22. Yes, it is
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 06:29 AM
Jul 2019

There's a WPA mural in the local post office. It shows farmers and their young children working in the field. When I'm there, I love to tell others the story of its WPA origin and what it depicts. Interestingly, the mural is actually not painted on the wall as I had always believed. It's painted on canvas or another material and is attached to the wall. I'm wondering if this Washington mural is/was the same. If so, it could have been removed and I'd bet there was a museum or historical site out there that would have been happy to have and preserve it.

madville

(7,412 posts)
10. Most of the money is for the environmental impact study and legal fees
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 11:01 PM
Jul 2019

They are expecting a few lawsuits

 

bitterross

(4,066 posts)
4. This is a little too far - in my opinion.
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 10:46 PM
Jul 2019

I believe there is a huge difference between Washington, Jefferson and other founders who owned slaves and the Confederate generals and politicians who fought to keep slavery.

Yes, it was absolutely wrong to own other humans when Washington did it. I am not denying that.

I think this mural really could serve as an educational tool though. It could serve to begin the discussion of the heinous things we did to the Native Americans and African Americans. History classes at the school could visit the mural and discuss these things.

This mural, and others like it, were painted during the depression. They were not tools of the Jim Crowe era. They were not painted to remind African Americans to "stay in their place" the way the Confederate statues and monuments were.

I think we can honor the first President of the US and at the same time have the discussion about slavery and the mass destruction of Native American societies.

BlueIdaho

(13,582 posts)
5. This should be used as a teachable moment.
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 10:53 PM
Jul 2019

This mural could provide a very powerful learning experience - helping our young students understand the dangers of historical distortions and the social pressures that contribute to it.

Don’t paint over the mural, shine a light on it, the progress we’ve made, and the work we still need to do.

senseandsensibility

(17,157 posts)
9. Could not agree more!!
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 11:01 PM
Jul 2019

In fact, I was just about to post the same thing. What a great "hands on" real life history lesson. Teachers are more than capable of showing the students the context of the mural and why the scenes depicted are immoral. True knowledge is not only about things that we approve of.

BeyondGeography

(39,384 posts)
6. Utter madness
Thu Jul 4, 2019, 10:55 PM
Jul 2019

I saw this story in the Times earlier this week. The top-rated comment said it all: Let’s be thankful Guernica isn’t in San Francisco.

Response to madville (Original post)

Tech

(1,773 posts)
21. I find it offensive and inappropriate for a high school. It has an interesting history
Fri Jul 5, 2019, 01:22 AM
Jul 2019

in itself, and if a multi millionaire wants to move it to a more appropriate place like a museum, fine. People can decide if they want to see it.

Just one person's opinion.

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