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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region Forums**Latest on Census fight**: Maryland judge orders discovery to proceed on discriminatory intent
Katyal:
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Caliman73
(11,760 posts)From the dead guy whose daughter found them and where all the shenanigans were said to be directed? I hope so cause that seemed pretty compelling as to why Trump and his cronies were doing this.
hlthe2b
(102,458 posts)AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)hlthe2b
(102,458 posts)so, no. There is no way this is going to take 2 years to resolve. And if Trump dares an illegal Executive Order approach it will get expedited even faster. The constitutional requirements for a ten-year census to be complete only adds the fast-tracking.
Trump has only himself to blame. DOJ attorneys recognized the risk for discovery when they initially withdrew from the case and stated that the citizenship question would not be on the census.
If they were smart, they would convince Trump to pack it in and this material would be unlikely to see the light of day.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)that took 2 yrs....
DACA is Still out there...5yrs later
hlthe2b
(102,458 posts)to be. None of the elements of Obama's case meet the time-sensitive nature of this one.
The only similarity is both cases (potentially) could involve an executive order. The fact is this is on fast track before Trump even tries such a stunt. And given the ultimate powers governing the census are specifically an Article I function in the Constitution, Trump's possible EO will not fly.
And, the final reason why your comparison has no relevance to the current issue at hand, is the ticking clock on the census.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)If you think..for 1 minute.. Dumpster isn't trying a work around....that's a bold/but not smart idea.
hlthe2b
(102,458 posts)Of course, Trump is going to try his bag of tricks. That isn't at issue. The court has already shown its intent to expedite. That has already been demonstrated. And again, you present no counter to why the Obama case and this case are not so significantly different on all the important elements including time sensitivity.
greblach
(257 posts)They don't want this to get out any more than it already has....
Takket
(21,655 posts)but what kind of information do we have access too in discovery and is there any way for the government to avoid it (such as dropping the case?)
i'm just curious if things like Wilber Ross's memos and emails will become public through this, since we already know what the scumfuck is trying to do I would love to see it made public.
hlthe2b
(102,458 posts)the tapes/files of the now-dead Republican gerrymandering proponent/operative.
Presumably the fact that this information would/could come out is why the DOJ attorneys were dropping the case to begin with, following the SCOTUS decision. This is the backfire resulting from Trump's tweets.
hlthe2b
(102,458 posts)intransigence.
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https://threadreaderapp.com/thread/1147236139968995328.html
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malaise
(269,237 posts)HUGE!!!
watoos
(7,142 posts)A lot of people aren't going to respond to the census even with the citizenship question being left off.
Takket
(21,655 posts)like he does for everything else?
hlthe2b
(102,458 posts)overrule. See Laurence Tribe's comments on this:
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Also See Neal Katyals comments on enforcing in (my post #3).
Takket
(21,655 posts)can drumpf just claim executive privilege to refuse to turn anything over for discovery?
hlthe2b
(102,458 posts)no. And his overreach on executive privilege has already been demonstrated, but it will not legally hold re: Dept. of Commerce documents. He can try. Just as he could try an EO. Neither will ultimately fly.
Gothmog
(145,750 posts)RainCaster
(10,938 posts)by the flaccid response of the DOJ that was due by 2pm today.
https://lawandcrime.com/high-profile/doj-lawyers-on-census-case-had-until-2-p-m-to-respond-to-judges-demand-this-is-what-they-came-up-with/
hlthe2b
(102,458 posts)RainCaster
(10,938 posts)It's certainly not the Legislative branch...
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)I could almost feel sorry for them; they obviously are trying to do the best they can, but they know their position is untenable.
Skittles
(153,243 posts)puke:
NastyRiffraff
(12,448 posts)She'll have fun with this if she is.