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against members of congress with impunity, we are finished.
If this does not enrage our leadership enough to launch an all out do or die effort to remove this cancer of a man from office, our party has lost it's morality, it's decency, it's soul.
bitterross
(4,066 posts)No one will hold him accountable.
mainstreetonce
(4,178 posts)Especially Reps need to be asked to give a specific response to today's tweet.
superpatriotman
(6,247 posts)Because answering a brat gives the brat power, and allows the brat to frame your message.
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)We have to win in 2020. This will be our revenge.
( treason, bribery, and other high crimes and misdemeanors. are what is in the Constitution)
orangecrush
(19,549 posts)in the camps before you think it's time to go after him?
Can you give me a number when it's not o.k. anymore?
OKNancy
(41,832 posts)for the reasons you stated. Going after me and being nasty to me won't change facts.
No doubt Trump is sub-human, but there is no need to fly off the handle to someone who is on your side.
orangecrush
(19,549 posts)My intent is to emphasize a nasty reality that if not dealt with in a DECISIVE manner is going to become something much worse.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)orangecrush
(19,549 posts)will take away the rights narrative.
The findings will make headlines daily, eroding his support.
He is a narcissist, the constant negative publicity will cause him to show his true colors in the worst way, which will only lose him more support.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)He doesn't care. His base doesn't care. and people in the middle who haven't yet made up their minds are tuning out the noise.
He's going to continue doing exactly what he's doing until he's voted out of office.
watoos
(7,142 posts)Trump's skill is controlling the narrative, impeachment hearings will take away that skill, we will control the narrative. I listened to one of the authors of one of his books who knows Trump a lot better than you or I and this author said that impeachment hearings will devastate Trump. One can imagine a daily dose of exposing the Trump crime family's crimes, the effect that would have on a Narcissist.
Trump's base is what it is, it is not going to grow, if anything impeachment will shrink it.
Finally, if there are grounds for impeachment it is not a choice, it is an obligation. In the words of Justin Amash, "the problem isn't that we impeach too often, the problem is that we do not impeach enough which gives the president the sense that he is above the law."
There are no good reasons to not impeach Trump, it is the duty of the House to open impeachment now.
Jeffersons Ghost
(15,235 posts)Impeachment hearings would not last until the elections. The GOP controlled Senate has already pledged to quickly quash ANY attempt at impeachment. And a failed attempt at impeachment would allow Trump to play victim, thus increasing the voter base for himself and GOP Senators.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)BannonsLiver
(16,375 posts)Theres a number. Thats roughly the time between now and Inauguration Day.
JI7
(89,249 posts)country is. SHE was the target for years.
Blues Heron
(5,932 posts)unfit for office.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Vinca
(50,269 posts)actions and he's getting away with it. No one seems to be stopping him. If I hear about one more subpoena being issued rather than court action re the previous subpoena that was ignored, I'll scream.
orangecrush
(19,549 posts)We are the "good Germans" for allowing this to happen without lifting a finger.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)BigOleDummy
(2,270 posts)And well said. The more we just sit back and do nothing the worse it will be. I admire Ms. Pelosi , and have for a long time, but I just get the feeling that she's scared of our chump in chief. Why? I have no idea.
Loge23
(3,922 posts)..until tomorrow. This is numbing the people, but he's following through with his evil.
What's next?
I just hope everyone in America that still has a functioning brain is aware that we have until November 3, 2020 to save this country...and by then it may even be too late if it isn't already.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)No matter what he has done Repubs will not convict him.
watoos
(7,142 posts)will be a stain on them.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)customerserviceguy
(25,183 posts)another "Birther" scam. He got away with that one, didn't he?
Initech
(100,068 posts)You can report his tweets and today they are especially a violation of Twitter's policy about hate and racism. If enough people report it, they can't ignore it.
orangecrush
(19,549 posts)but I doubt they will.
Initech
(100,068 posts)uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Trump makes racist remarks almost daily and we're still here.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)Yes we do have to say they are wrong because some people think they are okay
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)to your "or we are finished" comment. I'm nowhere near finished and I stand with many tens of millions. You know, we're still the nation that elected Obama twice by large margins.
Don't imagine Trump and those enabling him are more than us. He isn't and they aren't. But this is a huge lesson in the importance of voting, isn't it?
helpisontheway
(5,007 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)...be leading the charge in defending these bold, female, millennial POC voices who represent collectively over 2M people. These are not the nobodies" Peloi called them. They are the future of the party.
Defend them against all racist attacks.
Immediately. Loudly.
watoos
(7,142 posts)condemning Trump's tweets. Republicans will be on record supporting a racist.
We can remind voters come election time that the (R) beside a person's name stands for racist.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)We should have our own Arab Spring!
If our military rises against us, we resort to the tactics of our forefathers. Just as Isis, the Israelis and every militarily over matched people have done. Kinda like Red Dawn.
Is America worth fighting for again or are we overweight lazy slobs who no longer give a shit!
Wolverines! !!
I'm afraid it's going to come down to this anyway. If not us, then who?
Chemisse
(30,811 posts)A racist comment is nothing compared to this. And yet his presidency goes on, as people suffer, as babies cry for their mothers, as women drink water out of toilets.
How have we fallen so far, so fast?
watoos
(7,142 posts)I got in trouble here, got a spanking, for just talking about the silence of Democrats.
Anyone see Steny Hoyer?
Chemisse
(30,811 posts)We would ALL love to impeach him - immediately.
And that would be so satisfying - except Trump would still be in office.
AND he could use it against us very effectively in his reelection campaign.
So do we hold back and win the election or claim the moral victory of impeachment but give Trump four more years?
I'd rather get his ass out of there next year than have a feel-good proceeding that backfires against us later.
Bettie
(16,104 posts)loudly and regularly proclaim that "Even Nancy Pelosi, realized I was innocent or she would have impeached me, she wanted to, but she couldn't, because I'm innocent!
And each and every time, his comments will be played over and over on every news outlet because he owns the narrative as long as our side does nothing.
Chemisse
(30,811 posts)Not like:
The Democrats did everything they could to overturn your votes. They even tried to impeach me! They wasted all your taxpayer dollars going after me and didn't do anything else! They did nothing but go after me! But they couldn't do it! Because I am super awesome and have been persecuted like Jesus on a cross blah blah blah.
And the voters will know that it's true, because that will be what they saw on the news every day - in impeachment hearings today, so and so will testify about this boring detail, etc. When instead they need to hear - every day - what the Democrat House is trying to do to make everybody's lives better, even if they get knocked down in the Senate.
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)after 1 year, is evidence of the end of this country.
beachbum bob
(10,437 posts)duforsure
(11,885 posts)to incite for his base, and he would rather be known as a racist than a child rapist, and child trafficing promoter with Epstein, all distraction he uses often to change the news cycle, and media again helping him do it.It was for distraction away from his Epstein problems and bad publicity.
watoos
(7,142 posts)the 2 people who accused Trump of raping them didn't stay on the front page for very long.
The M$M is complicit with Pedo45.
uponit7771
(90,335 posts)tymorial
(3,433 posts)Quite frankly Congress as a whole doesnt care. They may carry individually and I believe many probably do but party is now more important than branch. It's more important than the constitution or even the oath of office. What the democrats want, what the republicans want. That is more important and it's the job of Pelosi and McConnell to ensure it stays that way.
Am I ruffling feathers with that? Yeah probably but it is demonstrably true. If congress actually cared about the constitution and their responsibility to hold the executive branch to account then we would have already had impeachment proceedings. There is more than enough evidence to prove he is unfit. The fact we dont is political, its party. We are burning the country and the constitution for what? To hopefully hold the house? To hopefully win back the presidency? The DOJ is going to allow Russia to fuck our election next year under orders. We hold the house, yeah great. They have zero authority over cabinet positions and judicial appointments. They constantly have to run in order to keep their seats. We cant pass legislation so all we can do is block legislation and engage in these investigations that have amounted to nothing.
And dont give me this 7th dimensional chess, or GO or any other cute analogy to some great scheme. Dont tap the side of your nose. There is no great plan. It's a hope that something will convince the Republicans but again party... just like we haven't moved because party.
This country is screwed.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)I'm curious what people who keep saying "this time he's clearly gone too far!" expect to happen: the Furies descending from Olympus? The Kraken rising from the deep?
US4u2
(91 posts)that if all these progressive congresswomen want to do is complain about
America then they should just leave...
Funny, isn't that how he got elected in the first place, complaining about the country (and with a little help from his Russian buddies, of course)? You go to any of his rallies and all he does is complain!
And why don't we see him saying the same thing about white supremacists,or Neo-Nazis, or anti-immigration complainers? All they do is complain!
Isn't that like a double standard?
How come no one calls that bloated orange beach-ball on it?
The Liberal Lion
(1,414 posts)If the leadership is not willing to impeach trump due to his criminality, fraud, or outright treason this will just be another day in D.C..
While what trump said was disgusting, he has committed far worse behaviors that should have already been enough to have him removed (or at least impeached). Yet, nothing; and it's my belief that's how it will continue.
We, the people, must be our own heroes.
ecstatic
(32,701 posts)and deported them to Mexico. Who would do anything? Anyone? I don't feel protected. I feel so unsafe in this atmosphere.
ConnorMarc
(653 posts)Nothing much at least.
And as you can see, that's exactly how it went down.