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RDANGELO

(3,433 posts)
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 07:13 AM Jul 2019

Is the country really as racist as Trump thinks it is?

I don't think so. I don't think that the country that elected Barack Obama twice is going to reelect Trump. I think that there were some frustrated people who took a chance on him who wont vote for him again.

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True Dough

(17,305 posts)
2. It's probably not as racist as Trump thinks it is
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 08:21 AM
Jul 2019

but it's still disturbing to know how much of a solid base Trump has no matter how racist HE IS! It's not reassuring to think that three or four out of every Americans either despise immigrants and minorities or really don't care much at all about their welfare.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
3. No, but there are plenty of people
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 09:15 AM
Jul 2019

who have never met anyone who doesn't look them. They only know what they see, hear, read, "a friend told them..." and form their opinions from that.

bluecollar2

(3,622 posts)
5. The country may not be but
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:03 AM
Jul 2019

The white male population is...

I say this based upon personal experience working most of my life among white male workforces.

I can't tell you the number of times white guys have used racist language or displayed other forms of bigotry assuming (wrongly) that I would agree with them.

They think because I look like them, I think like them.

They could not be more wrong.

Johnny2X2X

(19,066 posts)
7. He's betting re-election on it
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:15 AM
Jul 2019

Trump thinks enough voters are just as depraved and racist as he is, and it's what he thinks will get him reelected.

Hotler

(11,425 posts)
10. I think so. Pres. Obama's two terms really started the pot to boil and...
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:33 AM
Jul 2019

I started hearing little bits of racist comments from people I've know for a long time and from others people I ran in to. With the orange one occupying the oval office his base seems to feel free to let their racism fly. How long before he let the N-word fly.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
11. No, but too many of us who aren't racist envelope ourselves in the privilege
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:38 AM
Jul 2019

of purity politics and not fighting hard enough against the racists because we think their racism doesn't directly affect us.

ismnotwasm

(41,984 posts)
13. I think being complicit in, denying or ignoring racism
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:47 AM
Jul 2019

Is exactly the same as being racist. Ignorance is not an excuse. You are being too kind

lame54

(35,292 posts)
12. Not this talk again...
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:45 AM
Jul 2019

He'll be gone in a week

He'll never get nominated

He'll never get elected

Many Obama voters help put him in office

14. Is the country as racist as Trump thinks? Hard to say
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:54 AM
Jul 2019

I think there are waaay too many apathetic people in America who don't care about what's going on and I think the political apathy of Americans is not constructive for the long-term stability of this country. So what does it say about people that they may, or may not, be racist...but they don't care if racists are in power? How is that any better than being racist yourself?

I also think that the country as a whole may not be as racist as Trump thinks, but the Republican Party certainly is. The GOP has gone off the deep end as they realize they don't have the numbers to maintain power fairly in a democracy anymore. I think that's the root of a lot of what you're seeing happening on the Right. They can't win fairly anymore and most Americans don't support their policy positions, so they're reverting to white supremacy, xenophobia, etc to create a fervor within their base to inspire racists to come out in droves to vote for them...based purely on that racism and xenophobia. The scary thing is this worked in 2016 and I don't think the Democrats were prepared for it and I question whether certain actors within the party are prepared for it now heading into 2020. The actions of the Speaker are a huge cause for concern.

This recent controversy with Trump attacking The Squad shows us how he can and will use the infighting within the Democratic Party to attack Progressives.

So is the country as racist as Trump thinks? Perhaps not, but there are MANY people who are apathetic and indifferent enough to keep people like Trump in power. When you combine them with the many people who ARE racist...that's a recipe for long-term disaster.

ooky

(8,923 posts)
16. The problem as I see it is not that they are as racist as Trump thinks but
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:58 AM
Jul 2019

that so many don't follow news and/or politics at all, and just go pull the lever for whoever is the Republican candidate every four years because they "think they are Republicans" and really don't know shit. I believe if we could get some people to open their eyes they would suddenly be sick to their stomachs.

But yes, I do believe the Trump presidency has pulled the veil off a lot of racism that took some people by surprise. It actually started with right wing reaction to the Obama presidency, and then Trump blew it up.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
17. Not overtly racist but racially biased.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 12:49 PM
Jul 2019

Here is an analogy: If you are not a pet owner, have never really had pets in your home, and you walk into a home with a good amount of dogs and cats, you will notice a distinct odor. The owners of the pets and their kids likely will not because they have lived with it for a number of years. You can substitute the pets for people who cook foods that are uncommon and have strong odors. When I was a kid, my grandmother cooked with a lot of chile (chee le). When she was cooking my cousins and I would run outside because our eyes would start burning and we would cough. My uncles and aunts would be inside talking and laugh at us. As I got older in high school I would sometimes bring friends over after school to visit. She would be cooking and I would be talking to her, my friends would start coughing and would have to go outside. I had gotten used to it.

All of us, every one of us who have had access to media and popular culture in the United States have grown up with racially biased messaging. Messaging biased toward acceptance of a racial hierarchy, towards norms that are geared toward White people in general and White Men specifically. You can see in some of the research on self image that children of color were shown dolls of different colors and told to say which was "good" and which was "bad" and a significant amount chose the White doll as "good" and the doll that looked like them as bad. Generalizations are typically not good things, but the reality is that we all get messages about what is "normal" and what is "other". There are many of us who actively fight against the messaging and try to live lives of true equality, but we have all seen it, it is in us whether we can even consciously acknowledge it or not.

When racism is called out, and you belong to the group that is being called out on racial bias, there is a defensive reaction. "Me? I'm not racist! I have friends who are black! I don't do that..." We see it here on DU, especially during the time when the term "wypipo" had been introduced. I am Mexican-American, I have been the target of racism and discrimination. I was also exposed to plenty of racism from within my own family toward other groups especially Black people and Asian groups that lived in proximity to us. I personally reject the racism, but I have to acknowledge where I came from, everyday, or else I can easily slip back into that mindset.

When you do not have to see race in your personal life it is easier to not think about it, not consider it and think that it is abnormal to focus on it. When it becomes an issue, then it becomes an irritant and some people push it away rather than really examine themselves honestly to see if they intentionally or not, contribute to it.

Trump, because he is a narcissist, likely thinks that people agree with his racist ideas (which he probably really thinks are not racist). He just lacks insight. Most people in the US are not overtly racist. The danger is that we all carry around racial bias and we do not like to consider that so when there are actual active racists who are signaling, there will be those of us who call it out and stand, but there will be a lot of people who just tune out because they don't want to deal with it. That is what the GOP is banking on.

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