Can we now stop saying that Trump was "elected" as President?

[Botany]

Last edited Wed Jul 17, 2019, 11:03 AM - Edit history (2)

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CNN is reporting on how Assange played a major role in the hacking
of the 2016 election while living in the embassy. I am looking for a link.

[FM123]

1. Exactly!

[olegramps]

13. I will never recognize Trump as president. His election was totally fraudulent.

[fleur-de-lisa]

2. A link to this story?

https://www.cnn.com/2019/07/15/politics/assange-embassy-exclusive-documents/index.html

[eleny]

3. Rec

[democratisphere]

4. drumpf fraudulently became President by a rigged and hacked election.

Pretty much sums up everything about his entire life.

[onecaliberal]

5. I've never said he was elected.

[Botany]

8. But the media keeps talking about how he was elected and will he win re-election?

I want to scream.

Always remember what Trump said when told about an investigation into
the links between the Trump Campaign and Russia, "I'm fucked."

"Oh my God. This is terrible. This is the end of my presidency. I'm fucked."

https://www.axios.com/mueller-report-donald-trump-im-fucked-bbce610b-e46e-4889-9e80-2e2419d27f5b.html

[olegramps]

15. He failed to appreciate just how corrupt the Republican Party has become.

I have said it many times: The Republican Party is a totally a party without any moral compass. This has been reaffirmed time and time again. Today's example in which his open racism is being applauded by elected members of his party with their silence or wishy-washy noncommittal comments is only to be expected. The Republican legislators, if ordered, would get on the hands and knees to kiss Trumps ass. It is a party of moral degenerates with the king of slim as their adored leader.

[onecaliberal]

16. He has 24/7 trump tv. Faux and Sinclair, but we have the majority.

[triron]

27. The media depends of the gullibility of the American public.

[RKP5637]

6. Fake President!!! n/t

[uponit7771]

7. **** THANK YOU !!! ****

[Opel_Justwax]

9. He was elected President

You was elected by popular vote in enough States to get 270+ electoral votes. That is all that is required.

[DFW]

12. That falls under "reported, not confirmed"

There is a reason the (all-Republican) makers of the electronic vote-counting machines went to court to get a ruling that their reported results were not required to be verified by independent computer forensics experts.

[lagomorph777]

29. What's "required" in a democracy is accountable, verifiable elections.

Whether direct election, or the kludgy and anti-democratic Electoral College process, if you can't verify it, and you have strong evidence that there was hacking on multiple fronts, you have actually not met the requirements. The Constitution may not spell out every letter of it, but any democracy that can't verify its elections is doomed to rapid collapse.

[Skittles]

44. he was assisted by Russia and Comey

he's a cheat and a fraud

[triron]

45. He got a bit more than 'assistance' I think.

[Skittles]

47. way more

it astounds me that anyone could believe that fascist fuck was "duly elected"

[triron]

49. Because MSM pushes the counter narrative.

[DFW]

10. No. Because I never started saying that ever

He ASSUMED the office, but was not elected to it--not by the voters of the United States, anyway.

[Recursion]

11. I mean, we can, but it doesn't really matter

He was duly elected by the Electoral College (which, ironically, is supposed to prevent that kind of thing), which is the only thing that constitutionally matters.

[zaj]

14. The electoral college duely elected him.

We don't ever directly elect Presidents.

The process to pick and inform the the electors was rigged. But technically, he was duely elected still.

Sorry to say.

[olegramps]

17. The results can be challenged based on fraud. Suppression of vote, gerrmandering, etc.

[zipplewrath]

21. Could have been challenged

You have to do that before the congress certifies the election.

[ck4829]

51. Electoral clown college

[sarisataka]

18. No President has been elected

By popular election. There is nothing in the Constitution that says the people have to/may vote for the President.

The electors do vote for President by a clearly defined process. He did receive a majority of those votes; none were challenged.

[lagomorph777]

23. That's a rather legalistic technical argument.

...and does not account for the social media hacks, the well-documented voting system hacks, the e-mail hacks, and the complicity of Comey and McConnell in hiding it all and exaggerating a Clinton weakness.

[sarisataka]

32. I see it a pulling back the curtain

On the way the President is elected.

IIRC four states require their electors, by law, to vote for the winner of the state's popular election winner. In those cases anything that interferes with the popular election is relevant. In the other 46 it is not because the state may have the electors vote for the winner of the overall popular election, or any other person.

Was it a failure of the system that the electors chose the incompetent, unqualified loser of the popular election- yes. But it does not mean he was not elected.

[lagomorph777]

33. Fair enough - you are making the case that our technical, legal requirements are terribly weak.

I couldn't agree more with that!

[FakeNoose]

19. He was "elected" but the voting machines were rigged

The media outlets were rigged too. Social media was rigged. It was a rigged election.
Hillary Clinton was cheated and so were many other Democrats.

[brooklynite]

38. And yet, that's not what Hillary Clinton says.

Neither do the Battleground State Party Chairs I know.

I'll stick to reality, and plan for the next election accordingly

[Celerity]

46. +1

[BlueMTexpat]

20. I have never recognized Trump

as anyone ever than an illegal occupant of the WH.

And I never will.

[lagomorph777]

22. Yes please. The correct verb is "installed."

[triron]

28. Exactly. By Putin.

[thegoose]

24. I never did

He's always been a fraud to me, even in the 80s...

[librechik]

25. yes please!

I'm looking at YOU White House correspondents. Kelly ODonnell--hand in your badge!

[karin_sj]

26. And the really upsetting and infuriating thing is...

that it seems like nothing can be done about it. Turtleman wouldn't even let a vote on election protection come to the floor. Not to mention that gerrymandering and voter suppression are still taking place. And the Russians & others are continuing to interfere via social media lies and misinformation. And Russians have successfully hacked into our voting systems. I'm sure that they were just looking around and didn't do anything to mess with our election results, past and future.

Cheating is the only way that Republicans can win now.

[FiveGoodMen]

30. "Cheating is the only way that Republicans can win now."

But they constantly get away with it, so that's all they need.

Someone should look into that...

[lagomorph777]

31. It's astonishing to me that multiple posts here are attempting to defend Trump's legitimacy.

I don't see how that's remotely possible, given the overwhelming pile of evidence of every sort of hacking (social media, state election systems, opponent's e-mails, and the FBI itself working to hide it all). Also Putin has publicly admitted he was supporting Trump.

[Botany]

34. Google Trump Russia 272 contacts

The evidence is overwhelming.

[lagomorph777]

40. Great tip; thanks.

https://themoscowproject.org/explainers/trumps-russia-cover-up-by-the-numbers-70-contacts-with-russia-linked-operatives/

[Botany]

41. And in some of those contacts Manafort & Gates gave the Russians* the advanced data analytics ...

... that they used to micro target and "ratfuck" our elections.


* Konstantin V. Kilimnik

[triron]

39. Disappointed but not astonished.

[NRaleighLiberal]

35. The election was dirty. Hacked. Stolen.

[edhopper]

36. Technically he was "elected"

though I never say it.

What is worse is how people keep saying he won. He did not by any measure. He stole the Presidency.

[lastlib]

37. He was *INSTALLED*.

By Putin. And the Christofascists. And the neo-Nazis. And the 1%ers. (Short-hand for all of which is "repuglikan".)

[triron]

42. knr

[triron]

43. I stopped long ago.

[triron]

48. knr

[ck4829]

50. K&R

[Botany]

52. Vlad wasn't spending all that time and money on downloading @ voter data files, looking @ the ...

.... the voting machines and central tabulators' operating systems, spreading misinformation,
and coordinating with the Trump Campaign/McConnell/and others just to have look around and
not effect the outcome of the elections.

Russ Feingold was @ > 90% chance of winning in Wisconsin.


The 2016 was dirty. End of story. Not only did the Trump campaign use a Russian cut out, Wikileaks, in the campaign but the RNC used wikileaks, the shits in congress such as Jason Shove-its and Trey Gowdy for
their unending and unneeded “hearings” into Hillary’s “crimes” used the edited and stolen data from Wikileaks, Fox News used wikileaks, and the Trump campaign and the Russians loaded that shit onto social media
platforms such as Facebook. And what part of the Mueller report did Barr redact the most? The part that talked about wikileaks

Theresa Hong, who wrote Trump’s campaign Facebook posts, spoke to the BBC about working alongside Cambridge Analytica using their data. “Without Facebook we wouldn't have won," she said.

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