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brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:12 PM Jul 2019

Okay, you're not going to like my opinion...

...but what's going on in the House today is why ordinary voters don't like Congress. The House is spending its time debating (or more precisely NOT debating) a resolution that has nothing to do with the pocketbook issues they care about and will vote on next year. Every Democratic member has already condemned Trump's remarks; there's no value in a partisan vote to stamp the same condemnation with the House's approval. This vote isn't going to change anyone's mind in the electorate: either they support Trump or they support the Democrats or they don't care.

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Okay, you're not going to like my opinion... (Original Post) brooklynite Jul 2019 OP
The purpose is to get the pukes on the record. mobeau69 Jul 2019 #1
To what purpose? brooklynite Jul 2019 #2
Nancy (and others?) thought it would be useful (sometime,) elleng Jul 2019 #8
It'll be on the record 100 years from now. lunatica Jul 2019 #27
So, given the choice of video of Trump's comments... brooklynite Jul 2019 #31
Historians and biographers will go to the Congressional Record lunatica Jul 2019 #61
...while real people will watch the videos. brooklynite Jul 2019 #74
Obviously. Who could possibly care about the future. lunatica Jul 2019 #76
I'll worry about the academic future after I worry about the realistic present. brooklynite Jul 2019 #79
Without googling, name one resolution in the 1919 Congressional Record. marylandblue Jul 2019 #46
It's a historical fact which can be googled by anyone including you lunatica Jul 2019 #60
Point is, nobody knows or cares what happened 100 years ago in Congress, marylandblue Jul 2019 #64
Historians and biographers will research the records lunatica Jul 2019 #67
I agree that history has meaning, but with a thousand caveats. marylandblue Jul 2019 #69
Evidently our opinions are different lunatica Jul 2019 #72
I guess it's a pet peeve of mine. marylandblue Jul 2019 #78
Well it was the year that women won the right to vote. olegramps Jul 2019 #96
It can be used against vulnerable R's in swing districts in 2020. NT herding cats Jul 2019 #39
But impeachment can't? jberryhill Jul 2019 #42
I didn't say that. herding cats Jul 2019 #43
and you were addressing exactly what the OP is about still_one Jul 2019 #53
who are "ordinary voters?" qazplm135 Jul 2019 #3
Trump is DEFINITELY not an issue most voters care about. brooklynite Jul 2019 #6
Trump may not be THE top issue qazplm135 Jul 2019 #12
I think your wrong. Trump's racist remarks are a smear on our country and should be called out and walkingman Jul 2019 #35
That may be Butterflylady Jul 2019 #36
+10000000 happy feet Jul 2019 #98
And that makes it true? jberryhill Jul 2019 #44
Do they understand that to move on "pocketbook" issues we will need strong majorities in both... Caliman73 Jul 2019 #45
It's the economy The Mouth Jul 2019 #93
Exactly. oldsoftie Jul 2019 #104
I tend to agree, elleng Jul 2019 #4
You're right about health care PJMcK Jul 2019 #54
"Ordinary voters." WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2019 #5
Ordinary voters don't hang out on political discussion blogs... brooklynite Jul 2019 #9
They don't usually contact their representatives, either. WhiskeyGrinder Jul 2019 #19
Two points: ordinary voters aren't watching and aren't particularly interested and, point 2, Vinca Jul 2019 #7
No President has been censured by a Congressional body since Andrew Jackson. Tommy_Carcetti Jul 2019 #10
tRump loves Andrew Jackson, makes it appropriate somehow MiniMe Jul 2019 #14
Ditto n/t malaise Jul 2019 #32
It's not a censure motion though AncientGeezer Jul 2019 #25
How many people know that Jackson was censured? And how many even cared at the time? marylandblue Jul 2019 #48
The House vote was not a censure. former9thward Jul 2019 #59
Oh goody, so we'll put Trump on the $20 bill then jberryhill Jul 2019 #82
No. We'll put him on the counterfeit $20 bill Generic Brad Jul 2019 #102
It matters jcgoldie Jul 2019 #11
I kinda see your point TheRealNorth Jul 2019 #13
what are "pocketbook issues" that the GOP and Dems would agree on? maxsolomon Jul 2019 #15
As someone said earlier, individual statements are fine but a House resolution is for history. Gidney N Cloyd Jul 2019 #16
It matters to me. DURHAM D Jul 2019 #17
The fact that you are posting on a political blog shows that you're not "ordinary". brooklynite Jul 2019 #38
Everyone is an ordinary voter. EOS DURHAM D Jul 2019 #40
Got your finger on the pulse of the "ordinary voter", do you? Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #71
Well, as I've said before, I talk to dozens of candidates and elected officials... brooklynite Jul 2019 #73
Data. Act_of_Reparation Jul 2019 #75
Ordinary voters are not glued to C-span. hlthe2b Jul 2019 #18
"Ordinary voters" SouthernProgressive Jul 2019 #20
You don't speak for me.......about the not liking your opinion part, I mean. WillowTree Jul 2019 #21
This leftofcool Jul 2019 #28
"See, this is why we can't impeach." BeyondGeography Jul 2019 #22
Thank you. cwydro Jul 2019 #51
Thank you! Bettie Jul 2019 #55
The House has passed plenty of bills on "pocketbook" issues DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #23
100% correct. THIS is the message Democrats need to push every opportunity PA Democrat Jul 2019 #56
Sen Smith really gave a great litany of why McConnell DeminPennswoods Jul 2019 #70
You are correct, I don't like this post. watoos Jul 2019 #24
I agree. This infighting shit and worrying about what Trumps says is how we lose. leftofcool Jul 2019 #26
I understand your point. However, a formal condemnation is in order. YOHABLO Jul 2019 #29
We can't normalize this stuff many a good man Jul 2019 #30
What is an "ordinary voter" ? Caliman73 Jul 2019 #33
White men jberryhill Jul 2019 #83
Property owning White men? Caliman73 Jul 2019 #88
It's on 'permanent record'.. Congressional Record. Can't be expunged. n/t JustFiveMoreMinutes Jul 2019 #34
You're correct. I don't like your opinion. Goodheart Jul 2019 #37
Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #41
No it will be the purists that lose us the election in 20 Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #65
Isn't this a just a start of the battles ahead? Maybe not the win but marked50 Jul 2019 #47
I think we should do it just to show where the Democratic Party stands in agreement. marylandblue Jul 2019 #49
I'm shocked you feel this way. RhodeIslandOne Jul 2019 #50
I don't agree at all. Nevermypresident Jul 2019 #52
Pelosi thinks this substitutes choie Jul 2019 #57
Why wasn't this done for kids in cages, BTW? ecstatic Jul 2019 #58
It wasn't done for the type of ordinary voters you are speaking of. MarvinGardens Jul 2019 #62
You're totally right TheFarseer Jul 2019 #63
I agree with your point Trumpocalypse Jul 2019 #66
An ordinary person* watching the ABC News story about this that I just saw betsuni Jul 2019 #68
You're right hatrack Jul 2019 #77
You are correct--I will ignore you henceforth since I no longer consider your opinions to be helpful Ponietz Jul 2019 #80
I find that honesty and reality are a good baseline.... brooklynite Jul 2019 #90
I actually agree. As long as the economy is doing so well for so many... SMC22307 Jul 2019 #81
The House Has Passed Quite a Number of Bills to Address Pocketbook Issues dlk Jul 2019 #84
How did you know? greyl Jul 2019 #85
Totally agree. nt Raine Jul 2019 #86
In the end, all it is is yet another sternly worded letter. backscatter712 Jul 2019 #87
It's not an either/or proposition Martin Eden Jul 2019 #89
"this is unpopular, but it's my opinion that two plus two equals five" LanternWaste Jul 2019 #91
Just say "white" instead of "ordinary" Blue_Tires Jul 2019 #92
The House of Representatives JGug1 Jul 2019 #94
It's not a matter H2O Man Jul 2019 #95
I disagree. We are an important point in the future of our nation. olegramps Jul 2019 #97
Post removed Post removed Jul 2019 #99
Essentially you're saying voters don't care about racism Stargleamer Jul 2019 #100
Well reasoned. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #101
I fully agree with you. And also agree that you'll get slammed for this sane opinion. oldsoftie Jul 2019 #103
Maybe you're right about ordinary voters. They might say this is why they don't like Congress. Today ancianita Jul 2019 #105

elleng

(130,908 posts)
8. Nancy (and others?) thought it would be useful (sometime,)
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:18 PM
Jul 2019

to point out some repugs' votes. Strategy/tactics gone wrong?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
27. It'll be on the record 100 years from now.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:50 PM
Jul 2019

No one will recall that Trump said racist things otherwise.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
31. So, given the choice of video of Trump's comments...
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:51 PM
Jul 2019

or a page in the Congressional Record, people will go for the CR?

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
61. Historians and biographers will go to the Congressional Record
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 07:25 PM
Jul 2019

long after Trump’s tweets are on the dust bin of history.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
74. ...while real people will watch the videos.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 09:42 PM
Jul 2019

The UKs Parliamentary Records from the 17th Century on are available in any decent library. And only the dustiest of academics read them. I'm focusing on accomplishing things in the here and now. Like winning the election.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
46. Without googling, name one resolution in the 1919 Congressional Record.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:21 PM
Jul 2019

Or I could ask you an easier question. Name the most significant thing Congress did that year.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
60. It's a historical fact which can be googled by anyone including you
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 07:23 PM
Jul 2019

If I had a photographic memory I could take you up on this silly dare of yours.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
64. Point is, nobody knows or cares what happened 100 years ago in Congress,
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 07:44 PM
Jul 2019

I've actually had to pick through legislative records. It's boring as shit. Nobody reads it unless they are looking for something in particular as a legal issue or as a historian.

But the most important thing Congress did that year was pass the 19th Amendment. If you are looking at the Congressional Record for 1919 because of history, you are probably looking at that.

The most important thing Woodrow Wilson did was go to Paris for the Treaty of Versailles. But Congress never ratified the treaty, making it the most important thing Congress didn't do. So maybe some people look at that.

100 years from now, few people will know Nancy Pelosi's name, let alone what she did today.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
67. Historians and biographers will research the records
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 08:18 PM
Jul 2019

That’s my point. History has meaning. It always surprises me when someone doesn’t get that. Nancy Pelosi will be a historical figure and the subject of biographies more so that congresspeople who don’t make history.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
69. I agree that history has meaning, but with a thousand caveats.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 08:41 PM
Jul 2019

I love history. I study it a lot. And I've learned two things
1) Popular history is what most people think and is often very different from what historians think.
2) The judgements of both popular history and historians keep changing and is often very different from what the protagonists assumed it would be.

We don't know what people will think 100 years from now. There might not even be a United States in 100 years. We might be ashamed of what they think us. We might be appalled. They may disagree with each other about it. And 100 years after that, people might think something entirely different.

I really doubt that Pelosi is concerned about the judgement of history. If she is like most politicians and most of us on DU, she isn't thinking much past the next election. And that's as it should be.

lunatica

(53,410 posts)
72. Evidently our opinions are different
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 09:29 PM
Jul 2019

Or are they? I don’t get why you challenged what I said. I think it’s perfectly OK though.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
78. I guess it's a pet peeve of mine.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 09:53 PM
Jul 2019

We are not our descendants. They are not us. We can only do what seems right to us now based on what we'd like to achieve. Our descendants will have a totally different view based on hindsight and a probably different standard of morality.

The signers of the Treaty of Versailles believed they were making a great historical pact for lasting peace. John Maynard Keynes walked out, predicting disaster. With hindsight, we see that he was right and they had made one of the greatest blunders in history.

With even more hindsight and a different standard of morality, we see that it was both immoral and another blunder for them to give European nations independence but not Asian or African nations. They refused Ho Chi Minh's request for independence and he too walked out. Nobody predicted how that would end up, probably not even Ho Chi Minh himself.

So my view is that doing things for the sake of historical record is fruitless. We don't have the advantage of hindsight and we don't know what standards our descendants will use to judge us.

But you are right that it's okay to disagree.

cheers.


qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
3. who are "ordinary voters?"
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:15 PM
Jul 2019

"ordinary" Dem voters are probably fine with it.

Those who lean away from Trump are too. Those who lean towards and Republicans aren't.

"Pocketbook issues" are not the only issues voters care about.

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
6. Trump is DEFINITELY not an issue most voters care about.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:18 PM
Jul 2019

I've spoken to dozens of House and Senate Democrats from swing districts. They say voters are NOT asking about Trump/Russia/Muller/Impeachment, etc. They ARE asking about jobs, health care, education costs, etc.

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
12. Trump may not be THE top issue
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:20 PM
Jul 2019

but just because they aren't "asking" about Trump (why in the world would anyone "ask" about Trump in the first place?), doesn't mean that this election won't be a referendum on Trump. Re-election campaigns are always at least partially a referendum on the incumbent.

So your proposal is what? Let Trump do or say whatever he wants with no reaction? And then you think voters will "reward" us by voting us in?

Sorry but that's...not realistic.

walkingman

(7,616 posts)
35. I think your wrong. Trump's racist remarks are a smear on our country and should be called out and
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:59 PM
Jul 2019

made a issue. If that means we lose the election to racists bigots in 2020 so be it. This reminds be of the Vietnam War era calls of "love it or leave it" and that was and is disgusting. We should all strive to make this nation one we can be proud of not one run by religious idiots and racist bigots.

Butterflylady

(3,543 posts)
36. That may be
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:00 PM
Jul 2019

But don't they realize that the anal idiot is why their not getting anything done. One goes hand and hand with the other one. And once again like I've said here over and over and over the majority of this country doesn't know what he's up to. They have to explain to these people what exactly he's and his ilk are up to. They're trying to do what they were elected for but him and McConnell are against everything. That's what they need to say. It's really that plain and simple. If people don't understand that then may God help us all.

happy feet

(869 posts)
98. +10000000
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 02:28 PM
Jul 2019

Tired of the either or posts as if democrats aren't doing both. People confuse what the press let's us see/hear with the reality of what's happening. The press/media has a bias towards news that causes dissension...when people are hard at work getting things done---not worthy of publishing.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
44. And that makes it true?
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:13 PM
Jul 2019

Last edited Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:49 PM - Edit history (1)

You’ve spoken to people looking for donations.

They tell you whatever they believe is most likely to result in your donating to them.

That’s why they talk to you in the first place, because they want money from you.

Tell me I’m wrong. Tell me that you have all of these conversations because they simply find you, out of millions of Americans and including their own constituents, they find you to be an irresistible conversationalist.

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
45. Do they understand that to move on "pocketbook" issues we will need strong majorities in both...
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:16 PM
Jul 2019

chambers of Congress AND the Presidency.

The Democratic Party, flawed as it may be, stands for using government to make things as equitable as they can be in a capitalist system. That means distributing the costs and benefits of society according to need, ability to pay, and who gets the most benefit form the production of that society.

Republicans stand for maintaining traditional power structures and enhancing the wealth of the wealthiest. They couch it in terms of "freedom", "liberty", and other language designed only to get an emotional response.

I know you know this stuff as you appear to be pretty heavily involved with political activity.

There are stark differences between the parties even though things often seem in "cruise control" but that is because of the rules designed to prevent the kind of radical shifts in policy that can destabilize things. The problem is that Trump and the Republicans are sawing the legs off of the table knowing that it will likely not come crashing down until they are gone from office, or perhaps doing it in a way where they can blame Democrats.

The Mouth

(3,150 posts)
93. It's the economy
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:25 AM
Jul 2019

Everything else is unimportant. At least to anyone and everyone I know who is not a complete ideologue.

Most Americans don't care if the president is a saint or an asshole, corrupt or clean. They care about their paycheck, their healthcare, their living situation.

OTOH, it's not like anything they debate, write, or pass is going to get through the Senate

elleng

(130,908 posts)
4. I tend to agree,
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:16 PM
Jul 2019

and glad to hear your opinion.

Reminds me (a bit) of health'care' debate; TOO many details and complexity.

PJMcK

(22,037 posts)
54. You're right about health care
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:40 PM
Jul 2019

Who could've guessed that reforming health care could be so complicated? (wink)

I wish I had confidence in the Democratic Congressional leadership. I just don't understand their milquetoast behavior.

WhiskeyGrinder

(22,345 posts)
19. They don't usually contact their representatives, either.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jul 2019

Pretending there's an "ordinary voter" and that one day of House discussion will somehow scare them off makes little sense. If House Dems were condemning the president every day, sure, that's an issue, and not why they're sent to DC. One day 18 months before the election? Nope.

Vinca

(50,273 posts)
7. Two points: ordinary voters aren't watching and aren't particularly interested and, point 2,
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:18 PM
Jul 2019

the House has passed all kinds of good legislation that helps people and it's gone to die in the GOP Senate. They might as well be doing what they're doing in the House.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,182 posts)
10. No President has been censured by a Congressional body since Andrew Jackson.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:18 PM
Jul 2019

I'm sure the Madman might take that as a badge of honor since he seems to idolize Jackson, but still....it would be a black mark on his record.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
48. How many people know that Jackson was censured? And how many even cared at the time?
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:25 PM
Jul 2019

He was elected twice and was the most influential President between Jefferson and Lincoln. We even put him on our money

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
11. It matters
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:19 PM
Jul 2019

No you obviously aren't going to win "Trump supporters". Fuck them. But it does matter that its in the news that the president is a racist and that people in official capacities are sticking out their necks to get it into the record. What do you think Lester Holt, et al. will lead with tonight? The takeaway for the casual observer will be that the president made racist remarks. Even if their head was in the sand or they chose not to pay attention to it, it will not be ignored thanks to Nancy Pelosi.

TheRealNorth

(9,481 posts)
13. I kinda see your point
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:20 PM
Jul 2019

I am not sure getting the Republicans on record hurts them at this point. The swayable moderates/nonvoters I know already know that Donald Trump is a racist asshole.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
15. what are "pocketbook issues" that the GOP and Dems would agree on?
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:20 PM
Jul 2019

the "independent voter" won't even know this happened. too busy mowing the lawn.

Gidney N Cloyd

(19,835 posts)
16. As someone said earlier, individual statements are fine but a House resolution is for history.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:22 PM
Jul 2019

When students study this administration in the future, this is the kind of thing they'll read about.

DURHAM D

(32,609 posts)
17. It matters to me.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:22 PM
Jul 2019

I am, like every voter, an ordinary voter. I would like to be considered an extraordinary voter and have my vote count twice or ten times but that is not possible.

Signed,

Durham D
an ordinary voter

brooklynite

(94,571 posts)
73. Well, as I've said before, I talk to dozens of candidates and elected officials...
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 09:39 PM
Jul 2019

...who meet with them daily. Also I have a history as a Ward Committeeman, where my job was turning out ordinary voters. So, yes. What would you like to know?

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
75. Data.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 09:42 PM
Jul 2019

I would like to know how you've arrived at the conclusion that the House, using the power available to it, doing something to rebuke racism is going to hurt our reputation with these "ordinary" folks... a nebulous demographic to whom we, as I am to understand it, do not belong.

hlthe2b

(102,277 posts)
18. Ordinary voters are not glued to C-span.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:25 PM
Jul 2019

They have probably seen enough on some occasion to know the parliamentary procedures are extensive, arcane, baffling, and boring.

This afternoon's activity is not a problem. The key is to call out Trump's racism in an immediate fashion so as not to "normalize it". As another poster here said, a resolution is for history. I could not agree more.

 

SouthernProgressive

(1,810 posts)
20. "Ordinary voters"
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:32 PM
Jul 2019

Don’t pay attention to the day in and day out happenings of Congress. I think you are considerably removed from the lives of the “ordinary voter.”

Not liking your opinion and understanding how flawed it is are two different things. I don’t mind your opinion, it’s just wrong and shows a clear disconnect.

WillowTree

(5,325 posts)
21. You don't speak for me.......about the not liking your opinion part, I mean.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:33 PM
Jul 2019

.........because I do tend to agree with your opinion. I, for one, would love to see both Democrats and Republicans shut up and get on with the actual business of running the government.

BeyondGeography

(39,374 posts)
22. "See, this is why we can't impeach."
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:33 PM
Jul 2019

I can hear the argument already.

To which I say this is exactly why we should impeach, this sheds zero light on Trump’s criminality and will end up doing nothing to hold him accountable. Impeach him already, with the caveat that if you’re going to be as unorganized and as unprepared for Republican pushback as we were today, don’t bother. Better leadership is required. Much better.

As for “pocketbook issues,” Democrats have passed lots of bills. Republicans are ignoring them. Do you think swing voters will be impressed by nothing but more bills to nowhere than by standing up for the Constitution and the rule of law?

Bettie

(16,109 posts)
55. Thank you!
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:52 PM
Jul 2019

I'm so tired of people going on and on about how many bills have been passed...bills that will go nowhere. How does that help anyone? How does that address ANY pocketbook issues?

So frustrated with this whole freaking thing.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
23. The House has passed plenty of bills on "pocketbook" issues
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:39 PM
Jul 2019

They are sitting on McConnell's desk in the Senate while he forces votes on WH nominees. Tina Smith, the jr Sen from MN, was on MSNBC last week. She said only 15% of the votes she's taken in the Senate have involved actual legislation.

DeminPennswoods

(15,286 posts)
70. Sen Smith really gave a great litany of why McConnell
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 09:12 PM
Jul 2019

is a big problem and why he needs to be ousted as majority leader.

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
29. I understand your point. However, a formal condemnation is in order.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:50 PM
Jul 2019

Perhaps for the historical context. I look at it as one of the battles of this modern day 'cold' civil war.

many a good man

(5,997 posts)
30. We can't normalize this stuff
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 05:51 PM
Jul 2019

IMO they should censure the asshole every time he says something deplorable even if its five times a week

Caliman73

(11,738 posts)
88. Property owning White men?
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 11:59 PM
Jul 2019


On a serious note. The thing that sometimes discourages me is how disengaged people here are from politics, as if it is something external to "regular life". I remember the sense of embarrassment expressed by French politicians that there was only 75% turnout for an election. People make fun of the French, the British, and Germans about how they are "always protesting something" or demanding something from their government. They are making fun of actual political engagement, of people who work and have lives like we do here, but who are also actively engaged in expressing themselves to their elected representatives.

It is true that how a politician will vote on transgender bathroom use issues is something that affects a small number of people, but people don't stop to consider that a person that is open to supporting the dignity of a marginalized group will likely have a much greater possibility of supporting a living wage for workers, for making large corporations more accountable to the communities in which they are located, and for protecting the environment.

People think that politicians don't listen and don't care but what do we do that makes them care when almost half of us don't turn out to vote, and likely don't even know who their representatives are.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

 

Trumpocalypse

(6,143 posts)
65. No it will be the purists that lose us the election in 20
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 07:48 PM
Jul 2019

Just as they cost us the 2000 and 2016 elections.

marked50

(1,366 posts)
47. Isn't this a just a start of the battles ahead? Maybe not the win but
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:23 PM
Jul 2019

the way forward by building the will to face the difficult road ahead. I applaud the move away from the thinking of the past of "what is appropriate" towards to what we must do.

marylandblue

(12,344 posts)
49. I think we should do it just to show where the Democratic Party stands in agreement.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:34 PM
Jul 2019

And I don't think it hurts anything. Most.people don't know what Congress did yesterday, last week or last month.

ecstatic

(32,704 posts)
58. Why wasn't this done for kids in cages, BTW?
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 06:57 PM
Jul 2019

Don't get me wrong, I think trump must be called out. I feel very unsafe in this trump-nationalist-atmosphere. That being said, I want the impeachment inquiry to begin, and NOW! No more censures or words. Time for action.

MarvinGardens

(779 posts)
62. It wasn't done for the type of ordinary voters you are speaking of.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 07:26 PM
Jul 2019

It was done for the Democratic base, plus anyone else who is paying attention and horrified by Trump's remarks. I bet 100% of the Democratic base agrees with the content of this resolution even if some, like yourself, believe it was not prudent to spend time on it. Pretty much all Trump does is play to his base. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't do the same sometimes. We need to keep the base happy too. I am concerned that not rebuking Trump on these remarks that were way over the line, would have been more damaging to the reputation of the "Democratic establishment" among the base.

TheFarseer

(9,323 posts)
63. You're totally right
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 07:27 PM
Jul 2019

People are sick of politicians grand standing about decorum and trying to score points with Chris Matthews or whatever talking head. People want results. At the very least, they want - for example - a vote on increasing minimum wage, lowering prescription drug prices, getting rid of tax loopholes for millionaires. Getting Republicans on the record for kitchen table issues is meaningful. Let's do that.

betsuni

(25,529 posts)
68. An ordinary person* watching the ABC News story about this that I just saw
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 08:22 PM
Jul 2019

would think Republicans are being partisan, wimpy and mean. They wouldn't even admit it was an attack, saying it was all political -- frowning old men walking away from the camera. Only Mitt Romney said Trump's comment was bad. This looks terrible for the Republicans. It's kindergarten and a bully is ruining the class for everybody. The Democrats are the teachers discipling the kid and restoring order, Republicans don't care and let the class go to hell.

*not including Trump lovers (racists)

Ponietz

(2,971 posts)
80. You are correct--I will ignore you henceforth since I no longer consider your opinions to be helpful
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 09:59 PM
Jul 2019

Genuine enthusiasm is contagious and galvanizes the Democratic Party base, but your opinions always seem to dampen it.

SMC22307

(8,090 posts)
81. I actually agree. As long as the economy is doing so well for so many...
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 10:06 PM
Jul 2019

they couldn't care less about how racist Trump is.

dlk

(11,566 posts)
84. The House Has Passed Quite a Number of Bills to Address Pocketbook Issues
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 10:26 PM
Jul 2019

What more would you have her do? They’ve gone to die in McConnell’s Senate. We will get to impeachment, perhaps not as quickly as some would like, but we will get there. Remember, a large part of Pelosi’s job is getting Democrats elected in 2020. Today’s Resolution will go a long way toward that end. The Resolution has also unified Democrats in the House, some who have been sniping at each other. We all want Trump gone, sooner rather than later. Staying united will accelerate the process

backscatter712

(26,355 posts)
87. In the end, all it is is yet another sternly worded letter.
Tue Jul 16, 2019, 10:39 PM
Jul 2019

Let me know when those fucking cowards are going to impeach.

Martin Eden

(12,867 posts)
89. It's not an either/or proposition
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 07:27 AM
Jul 2019

The resolution censuring Trump does not come at the cost of debating and passing legislation to help "ordinary" voters.

House Democrats HAVE been doing that, but it gets almost no press coverage and the plain fact of the matter is that McConnell won't even let that legislation come to a vote in the Senate.

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
91. "this is unpopular, but it's my opinion that two plus two equals five"
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:48 AM
Jul 2019

"what's going on in the House today is why ordinary voters don't like Congress"

You fail to support your opinion in any meaningful way. Your begin with a specific premise, yet fail to provide anything to support. It stands as merely an allegation. Simply saying "this is unpopular, but it's my opinion that 2+2=5" is at best, pointless.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
92. Just say "white" instead of "ordinary"
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 08:53 AM
Jul 2019

As a black American I'm goddamn sick and tired of seeing Trump's racism either get ignored, get the wink-and-a-nod treatment, or be outright defended by the usual suspects inside the beltway...

JGug1

(320 posts)
94. The House of Representatives
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:29 AM
Jul 2019

I'm going to guess that you and I agree on more than we disagree on. We disagree on this. The process of removing this odious creature from the White House is the wheels of justice....grinding slowly. Gradually, the true patriots of this country, as opposed to the Deplorables, are coalescing into a crescendo. That point has not been reached but it is far closer today than it was a year ago.

H2O Man

(73,537 posts)
95. It's not a matter
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:34 AM
Jul 2019

of "like" or "dislike." People have different opinions. I do not fully agree or disagree with what you stated.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
97. I disagree. We are an important point in the future of our nation.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 12:52 PM
Jul 2019

Republicans have been given a choice. Do they support the fascist principles that the Republican Party is pursuing or do they hold to the vision that the founding father of our nation had for an ever more hopeful future for each and every citizen. Do we chose to stand with the Republican's vision of exclusion or do we welcome all to the promise of a better future and brighter future for all. The Republicans have chosen to not only support, but to embrace one of the most despicable men to ever obtains the presidency. To not acknowledge it and condemn outright evilness is a moral failure just as serious as that of the German people who stood by in silence and watched their neighbors who were dehumanized and thrown into death camps to be exterminated like vermin. We don't have speculate on the effect that the 24/7 message of hatred could have. We have the undeniable results. The election of a total moral degenerate by our fellow citizens who view anyone who doesn't totally support their exclusionary vision for the nation as unpatriotic enemies to be crushed.

Response to brooklynite (Original post)

Stargleamer

(1,989 posts)
100. Essentially you're saying voters don't care about racism
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 09:02 PM
Jul 2019

which is only partially true. I think that Independents and Democrats still think that blatant racism should be addressed. Republicans by and large don't.

oldsoftie

(12,545 posts)
103. I fully agree with you. And also agree that you'll get slammed for this sane opinion.
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:06 PM
Jul 2019

Its all grandstanding.

ancianita

(36,055 posts)
105. Maybe you're right about ordinary voters. They might say this is why they don't like Congress. Today
Wed Jul 17, 2019, 10:46 PM
Jul 2019

Ordinary voters also don't want to live under dictatorship.

But this is about a presidency that 80% of America didn't vote for, including most of them.

Most people understand what putting any president's words on the Congressional record is for. It's to solidify the impeachment inquiry's narrative about how this prez and government, if not hurting them directly, right now, would seriously hurt them eventually. They know what "pissing on them and calling it rain" means.

I've heard many Trump voters tell me that what they say day to day isn't their best thinking about what they want for this country. I can't help but think that people don't have time to care, or to find out, read, or think through what the Democrats are doing, so I'd prefer to think they'll get woke when it all comes together.

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