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WhiteTara

(29,706 posts)
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 01:48 PM Jul 2019

Schwab: UN report warns of literal existential threat we face

https://www.heraldnet.com/opinion/schwab-un-report-warns-of-literal-existential-threat-we-face/?utm_source=DAILY+HERALD&utm_campaign=7b5899e115-RSS_EMAIL_CAMPAIGN&utm_medium=email&utm_term=0_d81d073bb4-7b5899e115-228635337
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But enough. Believe it or not, we’re facing something even worse than Trump: mass extinction.

Commissioned by the United Nations, a summary of the results of a three-year study on the magnitude of the problem has recently been published. Comprising the work of five-hundred scientists and referencing 1,500 research papers, it covers a range of earthly perils. Driving Mercer Street to downtown Seattle lately, one comes to understand. In addition to traffic that allows three cars per stoplight on a good day, high-rise dwellings are sprouting like asparagus, block after crowded block, readying to house more people by the thousands. There are too damn many of us.

“The essential, interconnected web of life on Earth is getting smaller and increasingly frayed,” wrote the co-chair of the 1,800-page report. “This loss is a direct result of human activity and constitutes a direct threat to human well-being in all regions of the world.”

We’re bludgeoning our planet to a slow but certain death. As we heat it up to intolerable levels, deplete finite resources, cause the elimination of millions of species, we’re destroying the home whose complex ecosystems sustain us. And though it’s obvious what needs doing, it’s increasingly unlikely to happen, for humanity lacks the required collective wisdom, and America’s leadership is no more. Increasingly, we seem to be looking backward, wishfully, not ahead and clear-eyed.

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Climate change is a big part of it, but there’s more. We’ve lost eighty-five percent of the world’s wetlands. Two-thirds of ocean waters are stressed; half of the world’s coral reefs are dead. It’s happening hundreds of times faster than millions of years past. We’re clearcutting hundreds of millions of hectares of rainforest, gobbling up rapidly-diminishing, essential elements, as the world population has doubled since 1970. People are already fighting over food and water, fuel and land, to the tune of 2,500 conflicts currently ongoing. It’ll get worse.

Topping the list of required changes are two all-but impossible actions: stopping population growth and decreasing consumption. These would entail entirely re-constituting the developed world, in which all economies are, to a greater or lesser extent, predicated on consumerism: increasing and housing customers, making newer and more irresistible products. Could we abide a less self-destructing economic model? Would we be willing to keep our current smartphones and outdated HDTVs? Not in the irreparably divided, conversation-averse, science-rejecting United States, where our “president” has convinced half of us our biggest problem is immigration.
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Schwab: UN report warns of literal existential threat we face (Original Post) WhiteTara Jul 2019 OP
We're not "bludgeoning our planet to a slow but certain death" Bradshaw3 Jul 2019 #1
Yes. The Earth is not going to die. It is going to kill us off and a lot of other life in the Blue_true Jul 2019 #11
by slow, I think they mean WhiteTara Jul 2019 #18
People will interpret it as far off in the future Bradshaw3 Jul 2019 #22
according to a 1972 computer model WhiteTara Jul 2019 #23
I was quoting from the article I posted Bradshaw3 Jul 2019 #24
We seem unable to get consensus on whether or not caging children is bad... Moostache Jul 2019 #2
Now I am hearing "it's the boomers fault" dixiegrrrrl Jul 2019 #21
I see someone understands human nature misanthrope Jul 2019 #26
It is too late to take action. SamKnause Jul 2019 #3
+1 - You've been doing some reading, I see. The_jackalope Jul 2019 #8
Yes, massive amounts of research. SamKnause Jul 2019 #10
Don't take this as a personal attack and I hope others don't see it that was. Blue_true Jul 2019 #13
World history was lived at CO2 concentrations well under 415 ppm. The_jackalope Jul 2019 #16
I believe that technologies can and will likely be invented to Blue_true Jul 2019 #17
That's understandable. It's the way civilization got built in the first place. The_jackalope Jul 2019 #20
Thanks. nt Blue_true Jul 2019 #25
what should I say that will encourage people WhiteTara Jul 2019 #19
I am not as pessimistic. Blue_true Jul 2019 #12
K&R. It's only too late to take action if we are dead bronxiteforever Jul 2019 #4
I have faith in human goodness and innovation. Blue_true Jul 2019 #14
I don't think that humans face extinction. Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #5
This is the reason we will become extinct WhiteTara Jul 2019 #6
A thermonuclear war might cause us to go extinct Everyman Jackal Jul 2019 #7
+1000 smirkymonkey Jul 2019 #9
That is my concern. Blue_true Jul 2019 #15

Bradshaw3

(7,517 posts)
1. We're not "bludgeoning our planet to a slow but certain death"
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 01:55 PM
Jul 2019

It's human life on earth we are killing, along with hundreds of other species, and it's anything but slow, or far off in the future:

https://www.huffpost.com/entry/facing-extinction-humans-animals-plants-species_n_5d2ddc04e4b0a873f6420bd3

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
11. Yes. The Earth is not going to die. It is going to kill us off and a lot of other life in the
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 08:59 PM
Jul 2019

Sixth Mass Extinction. Then it is going to "fix" itself over a few tens of millions of years. Hopefully what comes after us won't be such dumbasses.

Bradshaw3

(7,517 posts)
22. People will interpret it as far off in the future
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:07 PM
Jul 2019

When it is not. That's one of the problems (pointed out in the piece by Ingram which I recommend reading) in coming to grips with this crisis is that people hear "it'll happen in 2100" and think oh we still have time to fix this, when the evidence shows we don't.

WhiteTara

(29,706 posts)
23. according to a 1972 computer model
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:15 PM
Jul 2019

we are on track for annihilation in 2040 and the UN gives us until 2050.

Bradshaw3

(7,517 posts)
24. I was quoting from the article I posted
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 02:20 PM
Jul 2019

Even if it's 2040 that won't affect most people, according to the article because denialism about the future seems to be part of our evolution.

Moostache

(9,895 posts)
2. We seem unable to get consensus on whether or not caging children is bad...
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:00 PM
Jul 2019

The concept that we would be able to embrace the type of societal restructuring needed to survive and thrive in the future - without a crippling global war and BILLIONS dead this time - is folly.

This planet's apex predator is going to unleash the final hell of nuclear fire on itself in the end...as the refugees become overwhelming and the resources become all that matters - as the "rich" will find out, a hungry man cannot be bought with useless pieces of paper - the chaos will become all consuming. The groundwork is already being laid now - desensitizing the population to the horror of concentration camps and caging children is a means to an end...that end?

The suppression of resistance BEFORE the real crimes and mass killings start. The horrors will be real, they will be widespread and we are already out of time to prevent them. The name of the game in the second half of this century is going to simply be survive another season...and that is if its even possible following the nuclear fall-out and radiation that will flow on the currents...

The truth was out there for DECADES, people laughed and called us 'hippies' and 'tree-huggers' and worse. It doesn't feel good to say 'told ya so' any longer...

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
21. Now I am hearing "it's the boomers fault"
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 01:22 PM
Jul 2019

The same boomers who created Earth Day as part of an attempt to warn about about where we are now.

SamKnause

(13,102 posts)
3. It is too late to take action.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:17 PM
Jul 2019

It is game over for life on this planet.

The planet will recover in millions of years, minus humans.

The loss of bugs and extreme weather will cause the loss of plants.

The loss of plants will cause the loss of animals.

The loss of plants and animals will cause the extinction of humans.

440 nuclear power plants will melt down.

The wet bulb temperature will be unsurvivable.

The rising seas will flood the world wide coastal cities.

The rising rivers will flood the world wide inland cities.

There is no technology that can stop this.



The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
8. +1 - You've been doing some reading, I see.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:52 PM
Jul 2019

Right on all counts. Extreme weather, crop failures and wet bulb tenperatures should be keeping people awake at night.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
13. Don't take this as a personal attack and I hope others don't see it that was.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:26 PM
Jul 2019

But by doing massive amounts of research, you should have founds lights in the darkness that you wrote about. Problems should always induce the instinct to find the right solution, at least that is how I live my life.

Yes we have a moron leading us. But in our history there have been other bad Presidents, as in world history there have been other periods that were as bad as nazism. But this nation and the world survived and moved on, abeit repeating the atrocities every few centuries as memories and the lessons of recorded history fade from the consciousness.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
16. World history was lived at CO2 concentrations well under 415 ppm.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:54 PM
Jul 2019

Run the numbers. You may find your instincts (or beliefs) challenged.

The planet is headed for an average temperature more than 3 degrees higher than anything seen since the beginning of the industrial age, with CO2 levels higher than they have been for over 800,000 years.


This is a geophysical problem, not a geopolitical problem.

Like SamKnause, I've been researching this for a long time - in my case, intensively for 15 years. What we face is not a problem, but a predicament. The best we can hope for at this point is not a solution or even a mitigation, but some degree of rapid, intense social adaptation that may allow a small fragment of humanity to survive the next 100 years. Even accomplishing that is doubtful considering the scale of the predicament and the degree of global opposition to taking the necessary steps in response.

This news sucks - especially to hard-core optimists - but the numbers don't lie. And they're getting worse all the time.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
17. I believe that technologies can and will likely be invented to
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 10:06 PM
Jul 2019

harvest CO compounds, CF compounds and excess water vapor from all levels of our atmosphere. I am an engineer by training and practice, my life has been about finding solutions. I have been knocked down hard several times, but I have always gotten back up and fought forward. Sorry, I can't buy into the pessimism and the feeling that everything is hopeless.

The_jackalope

(1,660 posts)
20. That's understandable. It's the way civilization got built in the first place.
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 01:19 PM
Jul 2019

We're on opposite ends of the spectrum. I'm not here to argue and convince.

Wishing you the best of luck.

WhiteTara

(29,706 posts)
19. what should I say that will encourage people
Tue Jul 23, 2019, 11:42 AM
Jul 2019

to stop? I don't think there is a way because everyone thinks they are immortal even if everyone else isn't.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
12. I am not as pessimistic.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:18 PM
Jul 2019

There is no current technology that can stop our fate, but the future is the future for a reason.

We already have technology for artificial pollination. For pollination in the wild we can use mechanical bees that work like the real thing, they have to be invented.

I believe that one day we will have the technology to move water around to where it is needed and harvest excess greenhouse gases from our atmosphere and send them to the solar system fringe or into interstellar space. Admittedly none of that stuff is remotely close to realization, but there are millions of creative minds in this world.

I believe that one day we will be able to pull water from swelling oceans and return it to the pole as glaciers or to mountain tops as perma-ice. Admittedly we don't have that now, but we have creative minds.

The issue as those capabilities are developed is whether rich nations will share with poor nations without constraints, or whether people that have the money to bring about such innovation will see that innovation as being in the best interests of all beings on Earth and not as tools for vast profits.

bronxiteforever

(9,287 posts)
4. K&R. It's only too late to take action if we are dead
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 02:42 PM
Jul 2019

Some would have us make out our wills and down our sorrows in whatever drug we would choose.
Is it getting very late to address climate change? It certainly is; yet there is hope we can learn to ameliorate the disasters to come.

We do this not for our selves but for others yet to come and the wonderful achingly beautiful life forms on our earth. Carl Sagan wisely said there is no planet “b” for us to go to. If we are to have a chance the time to act is now. Action needs to be done collectively and we need to end fossil fuel reliance.

I take my refuge in the wisdom of the ancients. Climate change is the Pandora’s Box humanity opened. Hope was all that remained in Pandora’s box and hope (the opposite of despair) as well as fire were what Prometheus gave to mankind.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
14. I have faith in human goodness and innovation.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:30 PM
Jul 2019

It is not always in evidence, but I believe that once we realize and globally accept that we are killing ourselves and other life forms, a majority consensus will form to fix those problems and doubters will be swept aside.

 

Everyman Jackal

(271 posts)
5. I don't think that humans face extinction.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 03:53 PM
Jul 2019

We can adapt easier than many species. All it will take is something that will kill off about 95-99% of all humans.

 

Everyman Jackal

(271 posts)
7. A thermonuclear war might cause us to go extinct
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:38 PM
Jul 2019

but not what we are doing to the planet and not everyone would die from and biological, chemical war or a virus. An asteroid might do it if it is big enough. There would be villages of 300-500 people scattered around the globe made up of hunter-gatherers. We are not doomsayers but we are teaching the children how to live off the land and how to protect themselves. Some of the children won't make it because of genetic problems. People will not live as long but there will be academics which will help. Hopefully, those that survive will have learned the lessons of the past and not mess up again. But they probably will because they are humans.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
9. +1000
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 07:53 PM
Jul 2019

Too many people are in denial. Most of us won't wake up until it is far too late to reverse the damage.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
15. That is my concern.
Mon Jul 22, 2019, 09:35 PM
Jul 2019

Advanced nations will likely have a chance to survive, but they will either have to or chose to let less fortunate peoples perish. There may be a day where Trump's wall will be a reality, with troops posted to kill anyone that comes near our borders either by land or by sea, advanced nations will only visit eachother. We can and must prevent that type of future and I believe some minds are already working on that.

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