Is western Democracy as we know it,

[cilla4progress]

dying?

Trump. Johnson. Erdogan. Hungary. LePen.

I think modern democracy is in a cycle of retreat.

[applegrove]

1. Read Yuval Noah Harari's 21 Lessons for the 21st Century. Power and Truth

are not the same thing. Power requires stories and some truths. If you only had truths it would be utter chaos. Liberal Democracies are a story based on myths and truths.

I think we are in for a fight for what the story and truths that joins us or divides us is going to be. I'm all for making science the foundation.

[applegrove]

2. And this book looks interesting:

https://www.economist.com/open-future/2019/06/28/globalisation-is-dead-and-we-need-to-invent-a-new-world-order?fsrc=scn%2Ftw%2Fte%2Fbl%2Fed%2Fauto

[TreasonousBastard]

3. Democracy comes and goes in cycles. It is always defending itself against powerful forces...

attempting to take over.

Athenian democracy lasted only a few hundred years until the Macedonians wiped it out. The Roman Republic lasted a little longer. After Rome, Europe didn't see democracy until the Enlightenment, and then it was still a tough go.

Democracy is not the natural order of things. It should be, but we haven't evolved enough to accept it as the default.

[Demonaut]

5. Athenian mob rule lasted only 50 years or so

[Demonaut]

4. maybe we need this to test the integrity

at the moment we are failing