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guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 03:45 PM Jul 2019

Mueller was not up to the task?

Utter nonsense.

1) Mueller did not write the entire Mueller Report. He oversaw the task force.

2) The report is 448 pages in length. No one could know every detail of every sentence.

3) Robert Mueller's testimony was too dry, to lacking in "optics" for the US corporate media, and many voters. Or so we are told. But this depends on the viewer expecting a reality television spectacle, wherein Mueller reveals some incredibly damaging information, and does it while dancing with the stars and also engaging in a comedy act.

But reality is not like that. The important thing, often overlooked, is that Mueller stated that because of a DOJ opinion, he could not indict a sitting President.

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Mueller was not up to the task? (Original Post) guillaumeb Jul 2019 OP
It's Bullshit. spanone Jul 2019 #1
I concur with that sentiment. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #2
I do not understand why any of us would waste time trying to tear down Mueller's testimony. He emmaverybo Jul 2019 #3
In my view, one can blame reality television for setting up unrealistic guillaumeb Jul 2019 #5
Just remember, pazzyanne Jul 2019 #18
And reality television created Trump. eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #19
Truth is better than charisma Takket Jul 2019 #4
But charisma sells more advertising. eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #6
Did you know that opinion was written True Blue American Jul 2019 #7
It was affirmed in 2000. Igel Jul 2019 #9
By whom? True Blue American Jul 2019 #10
Correct, but Mueller, as a DOJ employee, felt limited by that opinion. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #12
Powerful testimony regarding Russian interference Joinfortmill Jul 2019 #8
Thanks. True Blue American Jul 2019 #11
Welcome to DU, and this conversation. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #13
the press conferences for the moon landing and other major things JI7 Jul 2019 #14
Agreed. guillaumeb Jul 2019 #15
The OLC opinion re indictment does not hold water in this instance. elias7 Jul 2019 #16
But it is obviously interpreted as such. eom guillaumeb Jul 2019 #17

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
2. I concur with that sentiment.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 03:49 PM
Jul 2019

It is setting an impossibly high bar, and expecting a reality television performance.

I wrote this yesterday:

https://www.democraticunderground.com/100212323995

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
3. I do not understand why any of us would waste time trying to tear down Mueller's testimony. He
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 03:49 PM
Jul 2019

delivered as promised and his report is a roadmap for future criminal investigation and impeachment.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. In my view, one can blame reality television for setting up unrealistic
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 03:51 PM
Jul 2019

expectations. This was not a performance, it was a lawyer, speaking as lawyers do, and as you stated, giving the country a roadmap.

True Blue American

(17,984 posts)
7. Did you know that opinion was written
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 03:57 PM
Jul 2019

By an obscure Lawyer after the Nixon impeachment and has no validity at all? Just an opinion.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
9. It was affirmed in 2000.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 04:59 PM
Jul 2019

And it's valid to the extent that it's a binding instruction on an employee whose employment is conditioned on abiding by binding instructions.

If Mueller indicted the first thing is that his superior would say, "Sorry, you overstepped your authority." And if his superior didn't, then *his* superior would. (Iterate as much as you need to, ultimately you'd get to Trump.)

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
12. Correct, but Mueller, as a DOJ employee, felt limited by that opinion.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 05:34 PM
Jul 2019

And that opinion only applies to criminal proceedings. President Clinton was required to respond to a civil suit during his time in office. And that requirement undercuts, in my view, the argument that a President cannot be indicted because it could interfere with the performance of official duties.

Joinfortmill

(14,417 posts)
8. Powerful testimony regarding Russian interference
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 04:15 PM
Jul 2019

Mueller and his team did an extraordinary job investigating Russian interference into the 2016 election and DJT efforts to obstruct it. His testimony before the Intel committee was powerful. His testimony before the Judiciary committee was more cautious. And, speaking as a 70 year old, I thought he seemed to exhibit a certain physical frailty. His mind, however, appeared to be very sharp.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
13. Welcome to DU, and this conversation.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 05:37 PM
Jul 2019

His command of the overall picture was impressive, to say the least. No, he could not respond to specifics of the 448 pages without looking at the material. No one could. So any right wing criticism about that aspect of his testimony was intended for the uninformed voters.

JI7

(89,248 posts)
14. the press conferences for the moon landing and other major things
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 05:40 PM
Jul 2019

in our history have been similar to Mueller.

this was before FAKE reality tv.

i saw nothing wrong with Mueller and found him credible and concerned with telling the truth and facts.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
15. Agreed.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 05:42 PM
Jul 2019

The fact, hinted at by Mueller's testimony, seems to be that, absent this DOJ opinion, Trump would have been indicted.

elias7

(3,997 posts)
16. The OLC opinion re indictment does not hold water in this instance.
Sun Jul 28, 2019, 06:21 PM
Jul 2019

It is not meant as a shield for wrongdoing

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