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hlthe2b

(102,236 posts)
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 05:17 PM Jul 2019

WOW: Official Rebuke to Trump from Washington National Cathedral ("Have we no decency?" )

"The question is less about the president's sense of decency, but of ours."





https://cathedral.org/have-we-no-decency-a-response-to-president-trump.html

Have We No Decency? A Response to President Trump

As faith leaders who serve at Washington National Cathedral ¬– the sacred space where America gathers at moments of national significance – we feel compelled to ask: After two years of President Trump’s words and actions, when will Americans have enough? --snip--

We have come to accept a level of insult and abuse in political discourse that violates each person’s sacred identity as a child of God. We have come to accept as normal a steady stream of language and accusations coming from the highest office in the land that plays to racist elements in society.

This week, President Trump crossed another threshold. Not only did he insult a leader in the fight for racial justice and equality for all persons; not only did he savage the nations from which immigrants to this country have come; but now he has condemned the residents of an entire American city. Where will he go from here?

Make no mistake about it, words matter. And, Mr. Trump’s words are dangerous.

These words are more than a “dog-whistle.” When such violent dehumanizing words come from the President of the United States, they are a clarion call, and give cover, to white supremacists who consider people of color a sub-human “infestation” in America. They serve as a call to action from those people to keep America great by ridding it of such infestation. Violent words lead to violent actions.


-more-- I highly recommend reading the entire letter as signed by:

The Right Rev. Mariann Edgar Budde, Bishop of the Episcopal Diocese of Washington
The Very Rev. Randolph Marshall Hollerith, Dean of Washington National Cathedral
The Rev. Canon Kelly Brown Douglas, Canon Theologian of Washington National Cathedral
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WOW: Official Rebuke to Trump from Washington National Cathedral ("Have we no decency?" ) (Original Post) hlthe2b Jul 2019 OP
I saw that - wonder what the so-called "Christian" right-wing evangelicals will think? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #1
Bingo. Wednesdays Jul 2019 #3
I wonder what self-proclaimed "Saint" Mike Pence will think of this... hlthe2b Jul 2019 #6
Yes. paleotn Jul 2019 #8
What they don't realize is that patphil Jul 2019 #13
Episcopalians aren't real Christians but trump is? EleanorR Jul 2019 #10
How contorted does one's thinking have to be to support Trump at all? The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #11
Good point nt EleanorR Jul 2019 #15
I once saw a button that read: "the Christian Right is Neither." calimary Jul 2019 #16
" when will Americans have enough? "--snip-- lunasun Jul 2019 #2
Beautiful! mcar Jul 2019 #4
"they are a clarion call, and give cover, to white supremacists" Hermit-The-Prog Jul 2019 #5
No. They certainly did not. I am relieved to see this after Trump's bringing in his hlthe2b Jul 2019 #7
KnR Hekate Jul 2019 #9
Show some balls and ban him and his administration malaise Jul 2019 #12
Trump will start seriously bad-mouthing these guys. I wonder patricia92243 Jul 2019 #14
He will punish them by having his funeral somewhere else. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #17
You say that like it's a bad thing cagefreesoylentgreen Jul 2019 #19
The very idea of Trump's funeral, no matter where it will be, The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #20
Could be worse cagefreesoylentgreen Jul 2019 #24
I wouldn't put it past him. The Velveteen Ocelot Jul 2019 #25
He hasn't had a twitrum yet gratuitous Jul 2019 #26
This is significant NBachers Jul 2019 #18
rah to the national cathedral and the epispcopal church. AllaN01Bear Jul 2019 #21
Not inviting Fat Donnie to the annual National Prayer Breakfast would be a good start. LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jul 2019 #22
Wow, indeed DiverDave Jul 2019 #23
"Wow" was my first reaction too. It feels like it might actually be... WePurrsevere Aug 2019 #27

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
1. I saw that - wonder what the so-called "Christian" right-wing evangelicals will think?
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 05:27 PM
Jul 2019

Will they say Episcopalians aren't real Christians?

hlthe2b

(102,236 posts)
6. I wonder what self-proclaimed "Saint" Mike Pence will think of this...
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 05:43 PM
Jul 2019

Yeah, I know... His hypocrisy has probably already been shown to have no limits, but...

paleotn

(17,912 posts)
8. Yes.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:08 PM
Jul 2019

Anyone who doesn't follow their particular brand of Christianity cannot, by definition, be Christians. I've heard that from them for years and years. They actually believe that crap. They are...the American Taliban.

patphil

(6,172 posts)
13. What they don't realize is that
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:18 PM
Jul 2019

anyone who follows their particular brand of "Christianity" is, by definition, most definitely NOT Christian.
They can fool themselves, but they can't fool God.

Patrick Phillips

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
2. " when will Americans have enough? "--snip--
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 05:32 PM
Jul 2019

It really does say a lot about the state of this country that he is still in the white house, that a majority are not for impeachment and he still has a lot of fanatic followers

He started his whole campaign coming down an escalator spewing racist bullshit and most of the country said zip

That Clinton was so falsely vilified by a large part of the population, even many dem party members also speaks volumes on how messed up the american mindset is imo



hlthe2b

(102,236 posts)
7. No. They certainly did not. I am relieved to see this after Trump's bringing in his
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:07 PM
Jul 2019

supposed Xian faith leader toadies to defend him immediately after the outrage began in earnest.

patricia92243

(12,595 posts)
14. Trump will start seriously bad-mouthing these guys. I wonder
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 06:19 PM
Jul 2019

if any religious people will finally be fed up and realize he has crossed a line.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,681 posts)
20. The very idea of Trump's funeral, no matter where it will be,
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 08:00 PM
Jul 2019

warms my heart. But I can imagine Dolt 45 delivering a snitty tweet about those losers at the National Cathedral missing their chance to conduct the greatest, most well-attended funeral in the history of the world.

24. Could be worse
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 11:22 PM
Jul 2019

In the novel “Flash Forward “ Canadian SF author Robert J. Sawyer envisioned 45 commissioning a pyramid to rival the ones in Egypt to house his earthly remains.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
26. He hasn't had a twitrum yet
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 11:44 PM
Jul 2019

Trump really likes picking fights, but curiously mostly with persons of color or obvious targets like chuck-n-nancy. I wonder why he's so reticent about punching back at the National Cathedral folks? Is he afraid of them? Does he realize he can't bully them with worldly taunts about their ratings or their net worth? His silence is interesting. Maybe we should bring it up to internet trolls, see what they think of Trump's shrinking violet response to the National Cathedral?

AllaN01Bear

(18,187 posts)
21. rah to the national cathedral and the epispcopal church.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 08:13 PM
Jul 2019

(im a member) great pastoral letter . and the moral majiority is either and neither . and they dont represent me in any way, shape or form.

22. Not inviting Fat Donnie to the annual National Prayer Breakfast would be a good start.
Wed Jul 31, 2019, 08:22 PM
Jul 2019

McCain had the right idea by announcing while he was alive that Trump would not be invited to his funeral. (Unfortunately Ivanka and Jared crashed the event.)

Traditionally, the president is one of two keynote speakers at the prayer breakfast. Maybe it's time to break that tradition.

WePurrsevere

(24,259 posts)
27. "Wow" was my first reaction too. It feels like it might actually be...
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 02:53 AM
Aug 2019

Significant in getting attention, perhaps even shaking things up. I'm not holding my breath but it gives me a flash of hope.

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