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Recursion

(56,582 posts)
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 04:03 AM Aug 2019

No authority convening a general, special, or summary court-martial

nor any other commanding officer, may censure, reprimand, or admonish the court or any member, military judge, or counsel thereof, with respect to the findings or sentence adjudged by the court, or with respect to any other exercise of its or his functions in the conduct of the proceeding. No person subject to this chapter may attempt to coerce or, by any unauthorized means, influence the action of a court-martial or any other military tribunal or any member thereof, in reaching the findings or sentence in any case, or the action of any convening, approving, or reviewing authority with respect to his judicial acts.

-- Uniform Code of Military Justice, Article 37, Clause (a)

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No authority convening a general, special, or summary court-martial (Original Post) Recursion Aug 2019 OP
This is about Trump, right? roscoeroscoe Aug 2019 #1
with holding awards is not the same as punisnment rampartc Aug 2019 #2
It doesn't say "punish" it says "censure, reprimand or admonish". ET Awful Aug 2019 #3
i sure hope no one thinks i am defending the president rampartc Aug 2019 #4
Didn't think that at all ET Awful Aug 2019 #6
Presidents wouldn't even return salutes until Reagan Recursion Aug 2019 #5
Small technicality ... dumbcat Aug 2019 #7
But the commander who must carry out the order is (nt) Recursion Aug 2019 #8
But they didn't issue the order....they are only following the order. AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #9

rampartc

(5,407 posts)
2. with holding awards is not the same as punisnment
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 06:12 AM
Aug 2019

but trumps interference with the good order and discipline of the armed forces is reprehensible.

ET Awful

(24,753 posts)
3. It doesn't say "punish" it says "censure, reprimand or admonish".
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 06:41 AM
Aug 2019

Revoking (which is not the same as withholding) an award of any kind is an admonishment and would likely be covered under this section of the UCMJ.

However, the President is not a member of the armed services (he is the Commander in Chief, but that doesn't mean he's a member of the services). That means that the UCMJ does not apply to him.

Recursion

(56,582 posts)
5. Presidents wouldn't even return salutes until Reagan
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 08:11 AM
Aug 2019

Well, Ike would, but that's a hard habit to break at that point.

dumbcat

(2,120 posts)
7. Small technicality ...
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 09:51 AM
Aug 2019

" No person subject to this chapter may ..."

The Orange One is not subject to the UCMJ.

Still, the action sucks.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
9. But they didn't issue the order....they are only following the order.
Thu Aug 1, 2019, 11:48 AM
Aug 2019

"No person subject to this chapter may attempt........" Dumpster isn't subject to that chapter and it's that a'holes order

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