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$350 Billion remaining in Chines imports without tariffs now have a 10% one on them. Markets were up 300 today, they've now swung 500 points and are down 200.
Another weak manufacturing report had investors anticipating another rate cut after the one we got Wednesday, so the market was responding to that well. We've seen this before, George Bush used rate cuts for years to prop up the markets to make the economy look better than it was, it collapsed in 2008. Same thing is happening now. Report after report on the economy shows trouble ahead.
And once again, Tariffs are not the solution!!! Tariffs lead to higher costs for American manufacturers, it makes American companies less competitive. It hurts American consumers and kills jobs. We had fairer trade with China under Obama, and we used the global systems in place to get good resolutions on disputes. This is a disaster and no one is even speaking up against tariffs anymore.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,001 posts)Healthy market?
JustAnotherGen
(31,818 posts)Is this list 4?
Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)no_hypocrisy
(46,088 posts)Oops!
Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)As we enter a recession, the experts and especially the politicians spend about 12 months pretending it's not happening.
I don't care what the experts say about % for a recession, we'v had a losing streak of bad economic news. Growth is slowing, trade deficit getting worse, manufacturing being hit hard, US fell to 3rd place for competitive economy. The lagging indicators of UE rate and wage growth will start to worsen next.
no_hypocrisy
(46,088 posts)1. losses in manufacturing
2. losses in agriculture
3. soft consumer spending
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)malaise
(268,968 posts)and is down more than 280 today
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)Trump knows darned well his Tweet will effect the market, zero doubt he lets some investors/donors know before he is going to Tweet something like this so they can short the market today.
CountAllVotes
(20,868 posts)I've kind of noticed that too!
The orange awhole has got to go!
IMPEACH IMPEACH IMPEACH!!!
The sooner the better too!
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)that's what putin hired him for...to destroy the US economy
Andy823
(11,495 posts)grow a spine, and stand up to this lunatic, nothing will change for the better. I honestly think most of the republicans have been compromised, and trump or putin have some pretty nasty stuff on them, or they are just scared to death of losing their job, and could care less about this country.
The old staying is "country before party", but nowadays it should be "country before trump"!
Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)This is insane. The Republicans suddenly because anti free trade after they spent the previous 75 years pushing free trade.
Tariffs are always a disaster and their effects are lasting even once they are removed.
questionseverything
(9,654 posts)even if democrats take back the presidency, house ,senate it will take decades to rebuild those markets if it ever happens
Turbineguy
(37,324 posts)made me completely forget about the Russia scandal, and all the others! I feel so wonderful!
NoMoreRepugs
(9,417 posts)grow tired of the crazed machinations of the Orange Menace and flip the switch on their support.
spinbaby
(15,089 posts)Leaving us proles with our paltry 401ks to absorb the losses.
former9thward
(31,997 posts)Markets are near their record highs. If your account is not doing well then you really need to look at what it is invested in. The gloomers have been predicting a market crash for years now.
spinbaby
(15,089 posts)But I do have an IRA and have recently moved my funds out of stocks to lock in gains.
Johnny2X2X
(19,060 posts)All this talk about the investment boom is silly. Obama presided over an investment boom. Since Trump's budget and Tax rates went into effect, the DOW is growing 4% annually, it's average growth has been a little over 7% over the last 50 years.
We've been stuck in neutral for 20 months.
yaesu
(8,020 posts)the market will be doing jumping jacks and tRump will be braggingly excited about those prospects.
Timmygoat
(779 posts)Is Trump really going to raid retiree military pensions to pay for the wall?
former9thward
(31,997 posts)No one will give you a credible link to that....
SCantiGOP
(13,869 posts)don't go anywhere for news except FOX. I jumped on their website to see how they were spinning the fact that Trump's bullshit shaved 500 points off of the DOW, and there is no story there. All I could find on the front page was a link to a video news clip of Trump with the caption that he would keep talking about China.
Things must be so much nicer in their bubble than out here in the real world.
Farmer-Rick
(10,163 posts)You created a monster you can't control and you're losing money because of it. Stupid is as stupid does.
bucolic_frolic
(43,146 posts)about $400 here. If you were short it was payday.
MarvinGardens
(779 posts)gratuitous
(82,849 posts)These people will say literally anything to prop up Trump.