So Michael Moore thinks romney will win

[still_one]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/30/michael-moore-mitt-romney_n_1843824.html

Filmmaker Michael Moore joined HuffPost Live Thursday and predicted that the influence of money in politics would lift Mitt Romney to victory over President Barack Obama in November.

[blueknight]

1. and i agrre with him

NEVER underestimate the ignorance of people in this country. of course, i will vote for obama, but i cant see him winning

[still_one]

6. I will tell you why I think he will, and why the polls and media are wrong. They are

underestimating the power of women, seniors, and the young

[spanone]

59. turd sandwich

[Arkansas Granny]

2. I hope he's wrong about the outcome, but there's no arguing about the influence of money.

Mitt has a lot of very wealthy people behind him who don't want to see President Obama win this election.

[liberal_at_heart]

3. the majority of people

do believe the ads they see, and with Citizens United the billionaires could no doubt buy this election. It is a real possibility. I think that we are naive in thinking that just because something is rediculously unfair that somehow, someway, someone will stop it. Well, sometimes the unfair thing that no one thinks will actually happen, happens.

[DavidL]

67. Michael Moore knows that unemployed people vote....and

underemployed people vote, and unhappy people vote, and religious people vote, and rich and well-off people vote.

College students: not so much. Elderly poor: not so much. Black folks who have not paid their parking fine, or have lost their ID, or who don't have an ID, not so much. Arrogant liberals in "BLUE" states, not so much.

Although it is POSSIBLE for Obama to be re-elected, 3 key swing states are actively working to keep people from voting, period: Florida, PA, and OH. Without one or two of those states for Obama, it's OVER, Mitt is the President. It's that simple. Republicans know what they are doing, and most Dems haven't woken up yet.

[RKP5637]

70. Sadly, I think you are right on target with your analysis! n/t

[silverweb]

4. If we don't GOTV, it will happen.

[font color="green" face="Verdana"]Don't doubt it for a minute.

[Arctic Dave]

5. It is a very real possibility.

Money just bought a ballot initiative in Alaska.

Don't underestimate the power of money. People are conditioned to do as they are told through TV advertisement. Money buys A LOT of advertising.

[loyalsister]

27. It's one thing to acknowledge obstacles, etc

But, to suggest it's a done deal is a negative message that discourages voters.

[Arctic Dave]

31. I think you give too much credit to one persons opinion.

Discouraged voters are usually that well before someone says it.

[loyalsister]

40. You don't think that there are people who carry his message

telling 2 people who tell 2, etc. And then turn them on to a third party candidate. It's an MO that has done a lot of damage in the past.

[Arctic Dave]

61. I think you singling out MM is your way to dismiss

some people's legitimate problems.

[loyalsister]

65. I am simply discussing the person\subject of this particular thread

I am not sure how that exactly is dismissive.

[sabrina 1]

68. No, I think the opposite happens, and MM is a smart guy. He knows how money influences

elections, what he is doing here is trying to get progressives to understand that if they don't work hard, Romney's money could win the election.

By stating it as even a possibility, the likelihood is that people who have been sitting back doing nothing other than voting in November may wake up and realize they need to start working hard, as they did in 2008. Pointing out the reality that if Obama is outspent by Romney, the only way he can win is by having a huge army of people working to get out the vote.

Iow, I think he's trying to light a fire over the less than enthusiastic Democrats who worked so hard in 2008.

[gollygee]

7. They're spending enough money

Politics can be bought and sold. Hopefully it won't happen but it isn't unlikely.

[zappaman]

8. says the guy who proclaimed OJ innocent.

whatever, Michael...

[still_one]

9. He also voted for nader in 2000 /nt

[nanabugg]

12. +++ nt

[Hissyspit]

56. Yeah, Michael Moore has been wrong about pretty much EVERYTHING!

Nobody should pay any attention to anything he says at all!

Whatever...

[zappaman]

63. Yeah, Michael Moore has never been wrong about ANYTHING!

Nobody should ever disagree with anything he says at all!
Whatever...

[Hissyspit]

75. You don't even see your logical fallacy, do you?

[Blue_Tires]

57. In the eyes of the law he is innocent

(for the first thing, not the second)

[apocalypsehow]

10. Despite the prevailing belief here that Democrats only lose elections

when fraud is involved - which is a tidy way of rationalizing success as earned but failure as the result of nefarious forces - this country is pretty evenly divided between conservatives and liberals. Even so-called "moderates" tend to trend either Right or Left.

So, could we lose this election? Yes, we could. Not everyone agrees with us, despite the insistence I see around here all the time that liberals vastly outnumber conservatives in the real world. We don't.

I still expect our ticket will prevail, for any number of reasons. But is it guaranteed? No.

[still_one]

13. I agree with your assessment. I also believe we will prevail because the republicans have pissed a

lot of people

[Thrill]

11. I'm concerned about the money in this election

I expect their ads will get even nastier.

But its about electoral votes. And if the DEMS GOTV. Obama should win

[Jack Sprat]

14. But...but....but....but

I have read so many posts here predicting an easy victory this November. Especially the ones showing the electoral map. So how can this be? It must be that they are intentionally misleading the rest, or they are being naive about the reality of how precarious this election cycle is.

[JaneyVee]

15. Isn't Obama outspending Romney so far?

[Romulox]

16. No incumbent has ever won with unemployment this bad. nt

[ProSense]

18. FDR

more than once.

[Romulox]

20. Point taken. However, Obama has consciously avoided any FDR-like policies. Not a good comparison.

[leftstreet]

22. Link to Obama's WPA-style jobs program? Thx n/t

[Romulox]

26. If FDR was a DUer, that poster would LOATHE him. That's what's funny here! nt

[Fumesucker]

32. I agree. n/t

[ProSense]

37. You agree with bullshit?

Really?

[Fumesucker]

42. If FDR was posting on DU you'd loathe him..

Just as you do anyone who makes a post even microscopically to the left of Obama.

I've been reading your posts long enough to figure that out.

ETA: I've tried really hard lately to be supportive of Obama and I've posted quite a bit of anti-Romney stuff, how are you going to react to those who want Obama to govern more to the left after he wins re-election?

[ProSense]

36. I love FDR. You're just upset Obama is going to win.

[Romulox]

39. Nonsense, on both counts. nt

[ProSense]

43. No, I do love FDR, and you are upset that Obama is going to win.

You are.

[Romulox]

44. You have so little content to your posts that responses to you feel like a one way street. nt

[ProSense]

35. Red herring much?

"Link to Obama's WPA-style jobs program?"

Did I say anything about that? The fact is that this was still the worst economic crisis since that period, and the reason Romney is having trouble making headway is that people recognize that fact.

Bush screwed up, and the Republicans are selling a return to his stale and destructive policies.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10021233245

[Romulox]

45. You "LOVE" FDR, remember? I guess you don't "LOVE" the WPA, however. Odd. nt

[ProSense]

47. WTF?

Are you five years old?

[Romulox]

49. Just stunning rhetorical technique. Truly, I have been bested on the field of honor this day.

Oh wait, nope. It's just more gibberish and smilies.

[ProSense]

50. You remind me of Newt.

Oh wait, nope. It's just more gibberish and smilies.

Irony!

[Romulox]

51. And you remind me of Dick Morris. nt

[ProSense]

53. I'm a woman, and why is Dick Morris on your mind?

Seriously?

[SidDithers]

58. You win the thread...nt

Sid

[still_one]

21. I heard them say the same thing in 2008 how the Democrats would not take back Congress

There was some statistic about how incumbents would retain their position because history, blah blah blah

[Romulox]

25. What did you hear in 2010? nt

[still_one]

33. So you do not think the war on women will have an affect? Or the war on labor? destroying Social

Security and Medicare

The republicans have pissed a lot more people this time then the Democrats

[Romulox]

38. I think the economy dwarfs all other issues, this time. nt

[DainBramaged]

17. Wow great fucking time to throw shit at the president's parade

undermine the the President, go ahead Moore, if one fucking person believes you and doesn't vote, it's on your shoulders if Obama loses.

[still_one]

23. They will vote.

[gateley]

34. Watch the video. This title is misleading, but go ahead and jump on the anti-Moore bandwagon

Without all the facts.

[DainBramaged]

62. meh

[gateley]

71. ...

[tjdee]

19. Michael Moore is entitled to an opinion like everyone else in this country.

Like many people he is very upset with the path this country is on and has very little faith in the American people, Obama, etc. etc.

That really doesn't mean anything to anything though. Everyone has an opinion.

[Cha]

24. It figures that he would say that.

I'm happy that's not the defeatist attitude of those on the Obama Teams all across the Country. Nor President Obama and VP Biden's attitude

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Charlottesville, VA August 29, 2012

Pics thanks to the Obama Diary..
http://theobamadiary.com/2012/08/30/this-and-that-35/

[theinquisitivechad]

28. I think he is voicing his worst fears. . .

. . .and maybe trying to head off complacency. However, I don't agree with his conclusions.

[liberalmuse]

29. I think he's allowed to be wrong a few times.

He was wrong in 2000, and I hope to dog he is wrong now. I know money is a huge influence on elections, but I believe that people will come out and vote for President Obama. If not, we deserve what we get.

[gateley]

30. He ALSO said if we GOTV Obama will win! Please post the accurate story!

[RKP5637]

41. "Citizens United" was no accident. It's a planned concerted effort to take over the US. This

country is under siege, but I fear many Americans have no conception of what is going on ... Many citizens of the US are extremely naive.

Everything in life often has a price if one can meet it ...

[Scuba]

46. It's why I posted this....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/125181096

[Ezlivin]

48. Voter suppression? Check.

Black-box voting? Check.

No exit polls to verify system? Check.

No real press to investigate? Check.

Infinite money? Check.

Yeah, I'd be scared too....

[Webster Green]

52. MM's way of urging us to GOTV.

The sky is falling!

[grantcart]

60. you got it.

[Jennicut]

54. This really does nothing to help Obama.

It is self defeatism. It does not scare people to go out and vote, I think it adds apathy. And I like MM. But this...this is just a bad tactic to scare people and I don't think it works. There are loads of crappy voter laws out there now and some that have been recently struck down. But one thing we have in 2012 that we did not have in 2000 was an immense awareness of GOP fraud in elections. So far during this campaign President Obama and his team have not been afraid to call out Romney and Ryan on their lies. I think Obama is much more savvy than Gore was because he had to watch Gore lose in 2000 and Kerry lose in 2004. Sadly, we knew a lot less about voter suppression back in 2000, there was no DU or Daily Kos or even Twitter. We are so much more with it now. I am not unaware of what the GOP will do but I do think that Dems in general are not so naive anymore.

[Monk06]

64. Opinion based on generalities is not analysis. For a more detailed picture of what the possible

of the election will be try this.

http://fivethirtyeight.blogs.nytimes.com/2012/08/29/measuring-a-convention-bounce/#more-33792

[LongTomH]

66. Just get out and work for Democrats in this election!!!!

Whatever you think MM really said: Get out and work! Do voter registration, phone banking, canvassing, volunteer as a poll watcher, volunteer to drive people to the polls.

For God's sake, DO SOMETHING to keep Obama in the White House and keep the Senate in Democratic hands.

[DavidL]

69. If facts and character mattered, this would NOT be...

a close election.

But facts and character don't matter, money does, and Moore is right; Obama is at a $ disadvantage, and a voting likelihood disadvantage among his supporters.

Romney, on the other hand, has no problem getting stupid people to believe his lies, and to fear Obama, a bi-racial man, in a nation where stupid white people who vote think the white people should be in charge. Advantage for final vote: Romney.

[RKP5637]

73. Well said! This is all cause to be concerned! n/t

[fascisthunter]

72. haha... I think it's a clever way to get out the vote

[DonCoquixote]

74. All i think this was

Was him trying to get our arses out to vote, so as not to repeat 2010. Also, the key is Voter supressions laws. For example, they have been smacked down in Florida, but they have al;ready chilled registrations to vote.