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Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 03:00 PM Aug 2019

Politically, Texas is becoming the new Virginia.

Texas like Virginia before it and like California before Virginia were reliably Republican red states. However, as their populations grow, become more diverse racially and ethnically, and as the people become better educated through top flight public universities and colleges, we're seeing these states migrate from deep red to simply red to purple and finally to blue.

Now, this is not to say that Texas will go for the Democrat in 2020, but this may be the last election that a Republican presidential nominee will win in this state esp. given the potential chaotic aftermath of a post-Trump Republican party.

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Politically, Texas is becoming the new Virginia. (Original Post) Yavin4 Aug 2019 OP
It's been predicted for a long time lapfog_1 Aug 2019 #1
The big two cities, Dallas and Houston have voted more Democratic than the ... marble falls Aug 2019 #2
San Antonio now outranks Dallas by population. Beausoleil Aug 2019 #4
San Antonio has been reliably blue for quite a while. marble falls Aug 2019 #7
That's just the city limits Rstrstx Aug 2019 #10
True and Dallas has a lot more white, "middle-class" Republican suburbs than SA too. Beausoleil Aug 2019 #11
North Dallas burbs have gone from +20-30 red to BETO JCMach1 Aug 2019 #19
McGovern was the Democratic Party Candidate in 1972 cojoel Aug 2019 #12
Sorry yes it was Humphrey Rstrstx Aug 2019 #15
Dallas is a Metroplex, not just Dallas County JCMach1 Aug 2019 #17
DFW is not just city of Dallas and it's all trending Blue... Or JCMach1 Aug 2019 #18
Not to argue against your main point, but... Wounded Bear Aug 2019 #3
California went to HW in '88. n/t Beausoleil Aug 2019 #5
WOW, my voting life HAS been pretty short ... Red Dons admin feels like 342143 years I guess uponit7771 Aug 2019 #6
And it had Republican governors, Pete Wilson and Schwarzenegger Yavin4 Aug 2019 #8
Schwarzenegger was so terrible he destroyed the repuke party in California kimbutgar Aug 2019 #9
Ah-nold was a fluke RhodeIslandOne Aug 2019 #21
If Putin is stopped the entire south may be blue? pwb Aug 2019 #13
K&R UTUSN Aug 2019 #14
Well, to be fair... Xolodno Aug 2019 #16
Metro areas are the base of the Dem party radius777 Aug 2019 #20
Why do you think that is? Yavin4 Aug 2019 #22

marble falls

(57,081 posts)
2. The big two cities, Dallas and Houston have voted more Democratic than the ...
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 03:18 PM
Aug 2019

previous election for at least the last half dozen cycles. The Bluing is inevitable.

Beausoleil

(2,843 posts)
4. San Antonio now outranks Dallas by population.
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 03:28 PM
Aug 2019

But has probably voted reliably Democratic for longer than Dallas and Houston. Just a guess though.

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
10. That's just the city limits
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 05:14 PM
Aug 2019

Dallas County has about 600k more people than Bexar County (SA) and its metro area is 2 to 3 times bigger, depending on whether you include Fort Worth. Dallas County is the only reliably blue county in the state north of an El Paso-Austin-Houston line.

Bexar County used to be a bellwether county for presidential politics until 2016. Before then the only time it didn't go for the presidential winner since the Depression was McGovern in '68. Dallas County used to be more conservative up until the mid-2000s, now it nets more Dem votes than any other county in the state. It's a relatively small county and with the DFW metro area fast approaching 8 million it is squeezing more of an urban voting demographic into it with no signs of reversing.

Beausoleil

(2,843 posts)
11. True and Dallas has a lot more white, "middle-class" Republican suburbs than SA too.
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 05:26 PM
Aug 2019

But it's great to see.
I grew up in suburban Dallas and lived in SA for 15 years, so I'm pleased at the trend.

Now if we can turn East Texas!

JCMach1

(27,558 posts)
19. North Dallas burbs have gone from +20-30 red to BETO
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 02:14 AM
Aug 2019

Losing by just single digits...

I live in McKinney between all the northern burbs...

Just the neighborhood I have lived the last four years has gone from Lilly white to very diverse in a short span. My family is multi-racial so it's a good place to be.

Irony, the El Paso murderer lived about 1mile from my home and even went to college with my daughters.

JCMach1

(27,558 posts)
17. Dallas is a Metroplex, not just Dallas County
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 02:06 AM
Aug 2019

Dallas County= 2.618
Tarrant County= 2.054m
Collin County= 969,000 (Wikipedia #s)

That's 2017... Collin is way over 1m now


That comes to 6.8m for the whole urban complex ... http://worldpopulationreview.com/us-cities/dallas-population/

Wounded Bear

(58,654 posts)
3. Not to argue against your main point, but...
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 03:20 PM
Aug 2019

I don't think California was "reliably a red state" lately. Not sure exactly, but I suspect that Reagan was the last Repub CA went for in the national election.

I lived there for many years, and was always amused at how "liberal" the media thought the state was. It was internally Repub run for quite some time, with some back and forth.

If Texas actually did go blue, the Repub party could probaby be blocked out of the White House for decades. I'm all for it.

kimbutgar

(21,147 posts)
9. Schwarzenegger was so terrible he destroyed the repuke party in California
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 03:49 PM
Aug 2019

He wasn’t evil though like fat donnie. But he was incompetent and in over his head. After that Jerry Brown returned and put California back o the right course with his experience. The repukes in California think they can take the state back. That ship has sailed. Only out in those rural areas where it is old white Rush loving repukes is it still conservative. The SF Bay Area has repukes who commute long hours and listen to right wing radio are still there but they are losing.

 

RhodeIslandOne

(5,042 posts)
21. Ah-nold was a fluke
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 04:50 AM
Aug 2019

He was a mega celebrity, and Cali went for it. His party and whatever he said and promised meant nearly nothing compared to being a world famous person.

pwb

(11,264 posts)
13. If Putin is stopped the entire south may be blue?
Wed Aug 7, 2019, 05:29 PM
Aug 2019

Who knows what him and Mitch have done to southern voting??/

Xolodno

(6,390 posts)
16. Well, to be fair...
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 12:17 AM
Aug 2019

Republicans in California in the past were far more liberal than those of say, Kansas and the like. But as the GOP moved further to the right, more moderates left the party. Leaving only the rabid rural Republicans to run the party...and they still refuse to see the light.

Schwarzenegger was the GOP's last hurrah in California....and he was too liberal for them.

radius777

(3,635 posts)
20. Metro areas are the base of the Dem party
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 04:00 AM
Aug 2019

and have been for a generation now, why Dems should play to that strength and drive up the count in such areas.. of young people, PoC, women, etc... instead of pandering to rural white working class voters who will vote Repub anyway.

States like CO and VA went blue due to the growth of metro areas, just like the Sunbelt (AZ, TX, GA, NC) is going.

The fundamental reason is that metros - cities and suburbs - are culturally liberal and cosmopolitan.

Even Repub voters in such areas usually favor more liberal solutions.

Yavin4

(35,438 posts)
22. Why do you think that is?
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 08:09 AM
Aug 2019

Why do metro areas make people more Liberal? I grew up in DC, and I vividly recall how red VA was. As the state's metro areas have grown, its become more and more blue on the federal and state level. Yet, there's no big Liberal city in the state like a SF or Boston or NY.

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