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So am I hearing that the Con supporters who own the slaughter houses (Original Post) malaise Aug 2019 OP
The owners, not the workers, are the ones who need to be arrested. LonePirate Aug 2019 #1
But but but malaise Aug 2019 #2
Every slaughter house uses undocumented workers. Every one of them. marble falls Aug 2019 #3
yup. used to be good jobs, but mopinko Aug 2019 #4
When we lived in Nebraska, my wife worked in an "egg factory" in Wakefield ... marble falls Aug 2019 #8
This sounds similar to what some of my clients have been through- chicken farm rehab tulipsandroses Aug 2019 #15
This was one of the largest chicken factories in the country. It was owned ... marble falls Aug 2019 #17
Devin Nunes uses undocumented workers PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #6
He's suing some group who said he wasn't really a farmer. He farms "remotely". marble falls Aug 2019 #10
This reminds me of my friend's conservative uncles who grow grapes in the San Fernando Valley-- Mrs. Overall Aug 2019 #5
LOL malaise Aug 2019 #7
Most of the farmers know damn well that they are hypocrites BigmanPigman Aug 2019 #13
I've been driving through the Table Grape area of that valley every week for the last 2 months..... A HERETIC I AM Aug 2019 #14
That's where getting rid of government assistance comes into play ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #26
Did they just narc themselves out of jobs? 2020Junker Aug 2019 #9
Exactly. My guess is that these places will just hire a new round of "illegals". Marie Marie Aug 2019 #11
they will hire a new batch of immigrants rampartc Aug 2019 #12
This is exactly how it works. hunter Aug 2019 #16
I don't disagree with you (n/t) 2020Junker Aug 2019 #21
Sometimes the houses will turn them into INS timed to beat the undocumented ... marble falls Aug 2019 #18
THIS - fucking evil malaise Aug 2019 #19
Nasty looking little twerp. marble falls Aug 2019 #20
ICE released over 300 of the 600 people. Blue_true Aug 2019 #22
How do you screw up half? 2020Junker Aug 2019 #23
My guess? Blue_true Aug 2019 #24
Bothers me 2020Junker Aug 2019 #25
In the world that we live in now, your concern is not irrational. Blue_true Aug 2019 #27
I agree with your every word 2020Junker Aug 2019 #28

mopinko

(70,090 posts)
4. yup. used to be good jobs, but
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:15 PM
Aug 2019

so much safety sacrificed for greed and speed, and none but the desperate will take them now.

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
8. When we lived in Nebraska, my wife worked in an "egg factory" in Wakefield ...
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:24 PM
Aug 2019

and the company divided workers into "safety groups" who got rewards for having injury free periods. The rewards were actually pretty good if your wages were $10/hr but nothing you couldn't get at WalMart (without the company logo, of course). People were encouraged to not report injuries just so everybody else could get a 'free' winter coat for a kid or spouse. In fact the worse the injury if there was no bleeding, the more the pressure to suck it up.

It was shocking and she retired pretty quick after a new Hispanic hire with no training got her hand pulled into a disposal while she was wiping down stainless with a rag.

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
15. This sounds similar to what some of my clients have been through- chicken farm rehab
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 06:57 PM
Aug 2019

I work in mental health/addiction -

This is a thing in the world of addiction recovery- Those that can't afford to go to Rehab or sometimes sentenced by a judge - Chicken Farms - There are Chicken Farms that have set up Rehabs for recovering addicts - They get workers and those desperate to escape their lives of addiction and get a second chance go to some rural farm - I have heard good and bad things.

Seems like some of these companies like to prey on vulnerable people. Whether its addicts or undocumented workers

marble falls

(57,080 posts)
17. This was one of the largest chicken factories in the country. It was owned ...
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 07:47 PM
Aug 2019

by a wealthy individual from NYC just before the depression. This owner had a poor but educated nephew and figured he could get the nephew settled and unload the factory on one move. The nephew figured that anyone with a nickle could afford an egg and moved to Wakefield, Nebraska and got very wealthy while his uncle lost everything in the depression.

At around the same time one of Al Capone's brothers changed his name and became town marshal of Homer, Ne just a few miles away. Some say he was trying to get away from the Capone infamy, others say he was there to be sure Big Al got his corn for liquor making with as little trouble as possible. But according to Wiki, he left before Al became a gangster.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_Vincenzo_Capone

PandoraAwakened

(905 posts)
6. Devin Nunes uses undocumented workers
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:18 PM
Aug 2019

Remember when we found out that the Nunes family doesn't actually have dairy farms in California? Instead, they're in the Midwest---using undocumented workers.

Mrs. Overall

(6,839 posts)
5. This reminds me of my friend's conservative uncles who grow grapes in the San Fernando Valley--
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:15 PM
Aug 2019

They voted for Trump and wanted the wall built, and when my friend asked them who would pick their grapes, they just stared at her wide-eyed as though they hadn't quite thought out the implications.

Trumpsters are so stupid.

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
13. Most of the farmers know damn well that they are hypocrites
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:40 PM
Aug 2019

and they "Really Don't Care"! "Wide eyed stare" my ass. More like, "Oh, they realize I am a greedy racist and hypocrite. Oh well.".

A HERETIC I AM

(24,367 posts)
14. I've been driving through the Table Grape area of that valley every week for the last 2 months.....
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:43 PM
Aug 2019

The amount of physical effort needed to get those bunches of green and dark red grapes to your grocery store is simply enormous and the amount of acreage dedicated to them is mind boggling.


I said in another thread on this topic;

The terrified white man demographic is going to shoot themselves in the foot

Just wait till the price spikes on every single item that needs to be hand picked, from strawberries to lettuce and back again.

They call it "Stoop labor". Work that requires hours and hours of bending over - to "stoop" over to perform the task.

To get Joe Average White Guy to do that work?.......I have no idea where the labor rate would be, but it's probably well north of $20/hr.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
26. That's where getting rid of government assistance comes into play ...
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 11:56 AM
Aug 2019

Cut back SNAP, TANF, make 'em work for Medicaid, etc. Also union busting.

Eventually even natives and nationalized citizens will fill the jobs cause they have to.

Also don't be surprised when the people in jails and immigrant detention centers are sent out to do it for $1/day, to 'earn their keep'. I'm sure some already are.

 

2020Junker

(99 posts)
9. Did they just narc themselves out of jobs?
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:26 PM
Aug 2019

If there's no one to process the meat, what is the slaughter house going to do?

At least, if I'm reading this correctly.

rampartc

(5,407 posts)
12. they will hire a new batch of immigrants
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 05:36 PM
Aug 2019

who will not be so fast to complain about wages or working conditions.

hunter

(38,311 posts)
16. This is exactly how it works.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 07:14 PM
Aug 2019

Until there is a corporate "death penalty" and CEOs sentenced to decades in prison, all their wealth forfeit, this will not stop.

The most vile corporations in the U.S.A. will call in immigration raids on themselves at the first hint workers are organizing.

And then they'll claim they didn't know, blaming it all on labor contractors who conveniently disappear.

It's the modern version of union-busting, but in this case the union busting Pinkertons are government employees.



Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
22. ICE released over 300 of the 600 people.
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 08:43 PM
Aug 2019

Some reminded Trump of the politics of the state and that he is screwing it by taking away immigrants.

 

2020Junker

(99 posts)
23. How do you screw up half?
Thu Aug 8, 2019, 08:58 PM
Aug 2019

Seriously. Half. How?

Sigh. We have to elect someone competent. We just have to.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
27. In the world that we live in now, your concern is not irrational.
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 04:23 PM
Aug 2019

To have a president who is actively fanning the flames of hate for his own benefit makes the situation even more acute. Regardless of how disappointed we may be with our eventual party nominee for President, every single one of us must both realize and act on there being a major need that we must meet, that is removing Donald Trump from the Office of President. That is going to be a fight, we see that nothing changes the minds of roughly a third of Americans about that monster, the other two thirds really have to step up and show the best of this country.

 

2020Junker

(99 posts)
28. I agree with your every word
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 11:45 PM
Aug 2019

My family (Irish Catholic American) married into Mexican quite a bit. So, rather than blonde/blue/white, the little ones are all brown across the board.

So the rhetoric we're dealing with bothers me a great deal. They're all still small, but if someone - ever - discriminates against those children, I will throw down. Assuming my brother doesn't kill them first.

Trump's rhetoric is horrid. And it's not even solely against undocumented people. It's against all people of color. It's unconscionable. He blurs all of the lines, so we're just left going, "Oh, you're just full on racist. Ok then."

The little ones are still children. When they're adults, I want this country to be a different place.

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