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The fifth largest Christian denomination has declared itself a sanctuary church body. (Original Post) LAS14 Aug 2019 OP
This is good news. riversedge Aug 2019 #1
Demonstrating leadership and Christian faith FakeNoose Aug 2019 #2
I have a jag off JP II /Ratzinger appointee bishop. And keep waiting in vain for Mc Mike Aug 2019 #23
We need more of this! n/t True Dough Aug 2019 #3
Good for them sinkingfeeling Aug 2019 #4
This is why I used to belong to the Lutheran Church. lark Aug 2019 #5
The Evangelical Lutheran Church. Hortensis Aug 2019 #6
It's great to see Christians actually being Christian IronLionZion Aug 2019 #7
+1000 smirkymonkey Aug 2019 #12
Such a rarity these days! BigmanPigman Aug 2019 #18
BRAVO!!! orangecrush Aug 2019 #8
Well glory be. calimary Aug 2019 #9
Some of my best friends ... GeorgeGist Aug 2019 #10
Great to see self proclaimed Christians MontanaMama Aug 2019 #11
Isn't every Christian a self proclaimed Christian, regardless of behavior? nt. Mariana Aug 2019 #33
Not necessarily. MontanaMama Aug 2019 #34
Okay that's the Lutherans, how about the Catholics? YOHABLO Aug 2019 #13
Many Catholic churches have helped immigrants IronLionZion Aug 2019 #15
It's true they have, but only on a community/local need basis FakeNoose Aug 2019 #16
Yes they do help immigrants mgardener Aug 2019 #17
Pope Francis Says Border Separations Are the 'Greatest Cruelty' dalton99a Aug 2019 #36
Never going to happen with Southern Baptists, the largest group of protestants. TryLogic Aug 2019 #14
Will the Episcopal Church of the USA join their ELCA brethren? mwooldri Aug 2019 #19
yes they are in communion Captain Zero Aug 2019 #25
Excellent. warmfeet Aug 2019 #20
Wow! Good for them! highplainsdem Aug 2019 #21
I am a member of the ELCA texasfiddler Aug 2019 #22
All Lutherans Are Not Created Equal ConstanceCee Aug 2019 #24
Martin Luther was quite a rebel. The Catholic church had a high price on his head cutroot Aug 2019 #26
This warms my heart Hekate Aug 2019 #27
Just one more reason reason I'm glad I'm Lutheran. marble falls Aug 2019 #28
My BFF'S Mom is a Lutheran Minister - akraven Aug 2019 #29
Our ELCA pastor sent this link to me and our youth today evemac Aug 2019 #30
Kick to spread the word further. To the weekend crowd. LAS14 Aug 2019 #31
Kudos to them! DesertRat Aug 2019 #32
Meaning Fox & Friends had to denounce them - "To resist government is to resist God himself" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2019 #35
So to resist Hitler/Stalin/Putin et al. is to resist God himself dalton99a Aug 2019 #37
K&R... spanone Aug 2019 #38
This Atheist approves of this message. Maru Kitteh Aug 2019 #39

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
2. Demonstrating leadership and Christian faith
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 09:27 AM
Aug 2019

I'm not Lutheran but I admire their spunk. The Catholic Church needs to show leadership as well. Certainly Latinx immigrants are more likely to be Catholic than any other faith.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
23. I have a jag off JP II /Ratzinger appointee bishop. And keep waiting in vain for
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 06:23 PM
Aug 2019

priests to say something during the sermon about the Catholic families and kids getting attacked by shitler.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
6. The Evangelical Lutheran Church.
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 10:12 AM
Aug 2019

This is wonderful and will lead to really meaningful action. Take THAT Republicans!

My aunt in Spokane was Lutheran, and her congregation was so plain and joyless, the sermons I heard while visiting made up of rote reminders of the salvation carrot followed by rote threats of the hellfire stick; and a Lutheran rest home I once visited in L.A. was so poor, dreary and monastically austere, anyone there in their rooms with all doors closed, seemingly a place to keep the soul in order while waiting for the carrot, that those experiences were burned in my brain.

Obviously a very unfortunate picture, and I'm so glad to add this to it.

"Lutheran" and "radical hospitality!"

Go, Evangelical Lutherans!

MontanaMama

(23,313 posts)
34. Not necessarily.
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 02:18 PM
Aug 2019

It seems to be those that loudly proclaim themselves to be Christian that behave in the most anti-Christian manner and the folks that simply act like Christians are often not too concerned with proclaiming themselves as such. Just an observation. 🌈

FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
16. It's true they have, but only on a community/local need basis
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 04:00 PM
Aug 2019

The Catholic Churches of America TM have not spoken one word against Chump's anti-immigration/tearing-children from-their-parents policies.

mgardener

(1,816 posts)
17. Yes they do help immigrants
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 04:36 PM
Aug 2019

But they are just mopping up a mess unless they stand up to Trump and his deplorable policies.

mwooldri

(10,303 posts)
19. Will the Episcopal Church of the USA join their ELCA brethren?
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 05:45 PM
Aug 2019

They should, since I believe they're in communion with them...

Captain Zero

(6,805 posts)
25. yes they are in communion
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 10:28 PM
Aug 2019

Pastors can serve between the two church bodies among other things. The Lutherans are also in full communion with the United Methodist Church and the Moravian Church, that I am certain of. I would also imagine whatever the mainline Presbyterian Church is called as well.

texasfiddler

(1,990 posts)
22. I am a member of the ELCA
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 06:11 PM
Aug 2019

I was a member of one Lutheran church that separated from the ELCA because they were too liberal toward homosexuals. I separated from that church and joined a rural ELCA church. There is a big difference between the Missouri, Wisconsin and ELCA Lutheran synods. It interesting because I know about half of our “more liberal” ELCA church probably voted for Trump. Oh well if they don’t love it they can leave it 😁

ConstanceCee

(314 posts)
24. All Lutherans Are Not Created Equal
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 09:04 PM
Aug 2019

I want the Evangelical Lutheran Church in America (ELCA) to get proper recognition. The other large Lutheran body in the U.S. and the world is The Lutheran Church - Missouri Synod, which is more conservative and would not do what the ELCA has done. The ELCA also is involved with Lutheran Immigration and Refugee Services, which is headquartered in Baltimore. I hope that more church bodies will follow this wonderful example of putting faith into action.

cutroot

(875 posts)
26. Martin Luther was quite a rebel. The Catholic church had a high price on his head
Fri Aug 9, 2019, 10:42 PM
Aug 2019

The Lutherans held out against prohibition as well. Truth to power.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,311 posts)
35. Meaning Fox & Friends had to denounce them - "To resist government is to resist God himself"
Wed Aug 14, 2019, 02:24 PM
Aug 2019
"We don't want to create a place in which the rule of law is not respected. That's not good for the nation, it's not even good for the immigrant who is looking for help to suggest to them that somehow, there's one place where you have to follow the law and another place that you don't," Fox News commentator Jonathan Morris said.

Fox contributor Robert Jeffress echoed Morris' sentiments. "That's right and look, churches ought to minister to everyone regardless of their immigration status, but there's a difference between ministering the people and assisting people in breaking the law," the American Southern Baptist pastor said.

"The church has no business in doing that. And look, the Bible is very clear about this," Jeffress continued. "In Romans 13, Paul says, 'Government is established by God. To resist government is to resist God himself.'"

"There is nothing about enforcing immigration laws, securing our borders, protecting our citizens, that violates the word of God," the pastor said. "If Christians don't like immigration laws, they are free to try to change those laws, but they are not free to break those laws."

https://www.newsweek.com/breaking-law-fox-news-panel-slams-church-denomination-sheltering-immigrants-fighting-1453703

Fred Clark found the correct comparison:

A panel on Fox & Friends condemned a Christian family over the weekend for sheltering untermenschen.

Host Pete Hegseth discussed the Ten Boom family’s decision to declare itself a “sanctuary” as the White House cracks down.

“So is this crossing the line?” Hegseth asked his panel.

“We don’t want to create a place in which the rule of law is not respected. That’s not good for the nation, it’s not even good for the untermenschen who is looking for help to suggest to them that somehow, there’s one place where you have to follow the law and another place that you don’t,” Fox News commentator Jonathan Morris said.

https://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist/2019/08/13/i-dont-have-to-outrun-the-bear-i-just-have-to-outrun-you/
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