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CousinIT

(9,241 posts)
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 11:49 AM Aug 2019

REMINDER from Seth Abramson re: GOP / Russian bots trying to make it about Clintons....



Understand that the reason Russian bots are all over the Internet making wild claims about a Clinton connection to the Epstein suicide is because key people in the United States and abroad know the *Trump* connection to Epstein is the one that matters, and is the real story here.
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REMINDER from Seth Abramson re: GOP / Russian bots trying to make it about Clintons.... (Original Post) CousinIT Aug 2019 OP
K&R, Trump's best friend for years was a pedophile and child sex trafficker uponit7771 Aug 2019 #1
K&R... spanone Aug 2019 #2
K&R 2naSalit Aug 2019 #3
Kick. dalton99a Aug 2019 #4
You know Traitor Trump and his Slovenian Sex Worker Farmer-Rick Aug 2019 #5
There is no doubt. dalton99a Aug 2019 #6
Another good one... CousinIT Aug 2019 #7
yes keroro gunsou Aug 2019 #34
Serious question: Why are they bothering with the Clintons? CanonRay Aug 2019 #8
It moves discussion from Trump-Epstein. Kid Berwyn Aug 2019 #9
DISTRACTION. CousinIT Aug 2019 #10
Keeps the base believing they were right to vote for Trump instead of Clinton wishstar Aug 2019 #32
I posted about that a few hours ago, the bots started right away with the Clinton BS. nt yaesu Aug 2019 #11
Odd how they knew IMMEDIATELY (or before) Epstein's announced death to do so? CousinIT Aug 2019 #12
Hmmmm...what? Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #17
A tradition of lies creates that atmosphere BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #22
I'm just finding it interesting that the same talking points are being used... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #23
I guess we all find different things interesting. BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #24
They sure can... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #28
It's about plausibility BannonsLiver Aug 2019 #30
So, who was behind the murder? Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #31
I would approach this with caution. At this point we don't know what happened. But he was totodeinhere Aug 2019 #13
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #14
It will be about Trump/ I bet his name is right at the top of the scandal list. trueblue2007 Aug 2019 #15
It's about Clinton right now... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #16
Who is supporting it? Agschmid Aug 2019 #18
The narrative... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #20
And the narrative is supported by? Agschmid Aug 2019 #25
Go out and change the narrative then... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #27
Yeah I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say Agschmid Aug 2019 #29
I know exactly what you're saying... Drunken Irishman Aug 2019 #33
It would not surprise me if that's the case. However, don't assume that Trump is the only totodeinhere Aug 2019 #21
Agreed. The prevailing theory here is Trump and the Russians are behind it. totodeinhere Aug 2019 #19
It's a bit more than a 'theory' CousinIT Aug 2019 #35
Which is the point jberryhill Aug 2019 #26

Farmer-Rick

(10,169 posts)
5. You know Traitor Trump and his Slovenian Sex Worker
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 12:00 PM
Aug 2019

Had sex with Epstein's victims. It is just so obvious. The timing works and why would Traitor Trump even consider marrying her? They broke up before. She has dirt on him.

And it is something that fits like a glove into Traitor Trump's psychothopy.

CousinIT

(9,241 posts)
7. Another good one...
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 12:18 PM
Aug 2019


So according to the right, the Clinton's are responsible for the #epstein suicide... that would mean a prison run by Trump's DOJ let Hillary in.

Are Republicans seriously this stupid?

CanonRay

(14,101 posts)
8. Serious question: Why are they bothering with the Clintons?
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 12:36 PM
Aug 2019

they are never going to run for anything ever.

Kid Berwyn

(14,903 posts)
9. It moves discussion from Trump-Epstein.
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 01:14 PM
Aug 2019


Then there’s Barr’s dad, who hired Epstein to teach at his private prep school.

CousinIT

(9,241 posts)
10. DISTRACTION.
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 01:23 PM
Aug 2019
Understand that the reason Russian bots are all over the Internet making wild claims about a Clinton connection to the Epstein suicide is because key people in the United States and abroad know the *Trump* connection to Epstein is the one that matters, and is the real story here.

-Seth Abramson

wishstar

(5,269 posts)
32. Keeps the base believing they were right to vote for Trump instead of Clinton
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:35 PM
Aug 2019

Instead of base dwelling on Trump's horrible behavior and poor performance in WH, anything negative about Clintons serves to reassure the base that as bad as Trump is that it would have been worse to let Clintons back in WH.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
17. Hmmmm...what?
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:57 PM
Aug 2019

Were you on DU when the story broke? The first reaction from some here was to blame Trump. When Epstein first attempted suicide, it was the same thing.

If you want to get a glimpse of the mindset that feeds these conspiracy theories...look at DU. We're doing exactly the same thing the right is on this...just swap out Clinton for Trump.

BannonsLiver

(16,384 posts)
22. A tradition of lies creates that atmosphere
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:05 PM
Aug 2019

I can’t take anything this admin says or does at face value. If you can, your life is a lot more peaceful than mine these days.

It doesn’t necessarily mean that Epstein was whacked by some entity, it just means I can’t get to a level of trust where I can accept this at face value right now.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
23. I'm just finding it interesting that the same talking points are being used...
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:09 PM
Aug 2019

Literally everything is the same...just Trump swapped for Clinton over on freerepublic. What's interesting is that DUers can't seem to wrap their minds around the idea of Q and other conspiracies but yet easily peddle their own. Look at how quick we are to point fingers. Why aren't we surprised ideologically different people are doing the exact same thing?

BannonsLiver

(16,384 posts)
24. I guess we all find different things interesting.
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:10 PM
Aug 2019

I guess I’m also not really understanding your point. Because people find Q nuts they can’t ever ask questions about other things?

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
28. They sure can...
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:21 PM
Aug 2019

They just shouldn't get upset when others ask questions that don't conform to their little conspiracy theory. It's a slippery slope. You can't start believing in one theory and completely ignore, or get upset, over another just because you don't like it. If you're that woke to go down the conspiracy rabbit hole, you've essentially negated any chance to criticize others who have, as well, but choose a different narrative than you have.

BannonsLiver

(16,384 posts)
30. It's about plausibility
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:32 PM
Aug 2019

To me, jailhouse murders are more plausible than vast conspiracies involving an all knowing, omnipresent being like Q who is secretly pulling the strings to our government.

So given that, it doesn’t make a lot of sense to lump all “little conspiracy theories” together, which you seem to have done.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
31. So, who was behind the murder?
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:33 PM
Aug 2019

If you believe it's Trump - then you're no different than those who believe it was Clinton. At that point, it becomes a conspiracy. The thing is, it's not being sold that way by many on DU. It's being sold as Trump trying to hide the evidence - just as it's being sold on the right about Clinton.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
13. I would approach this with caution. At this point we don't know what happened. But he was
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:47 PM
Aug 2019

involved with many powerful people on both sides of the political false, as well as prominent foreigners. I don't believe that the Clinton's were involved, but I don't think we should jump to any conclusions one way or the other. But I do think we need a fair and unbiased investigation, which the Trump Justice Department is obviously incapable of carrying out
. So we need a special prosecutor agreed to by all sides to look into this. And then let the chips fall where they may. The American people deserve answers.

Response to CousinIT (Original post)

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
16. It's about Clinton right now...
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 02:55 PM
Aug 2019

So, if you're going to make it about Trump you gotta work harder because right now the most supported conspiracy is that the Clintons were involved.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
27. Go out and change the narrative then...
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:18 PM
Aug 2019

If it's a conspiracy, you better change it because you can't bitch about it being about the Clintons if you're trying to make it about Trump.

Agschmid

(28,749 posts)
29. Yeah I don't think you understand what I'm trying to say
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:32 PM
Aug 2019

No worries, it’s not a big deal and my post here on DU will have zero impact.

 

Drunken Irishman

(34,857 posts)
33. I know exactly what you're saying...
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:35 PM
Aug 2019

It's the Russians!

But no - it was being peddled by famous, US-led conspiracy theorists before that. The problem is that most of the apolitical conspiracy theorists are latching onto the idea it was the Clintons - not Trump. It's a narrative that is certainly being pushed by Russian bots but it wasn't started by Russian bots. See: Lynne Patton of HUD who pushed it on her Instagram account.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
21. It would not surprise me if that's the case. However, don't assume that Trump is the only
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:04 PM
Aug 2019

source of evil in this word. There are plenty of other powerful and prominent actors who could stand to benefit from his death just as much as Trump would.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
19. Agreed. The prevailing theory here is Trump and the Russians are behind it.
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:00 PM
Aug 2019

But meanwhile the freepers and other right wingers are sure that the Clinton's have blood on their hands. What we need is a fair and unbiased investigation by a special prosecutor agreed to by all sides, assuming we can find someone like that.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
26. Which is the point
Sat Aug 10, 2019, 03:15 PM
Aug 2019

The goal of the Russians is to amplify divisions. People seem to ignore that false narratives which appeal to EITHER side are promoted in order to amplify conflict.
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