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lanlady

(7,135 posts)
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 07:21 PM Aug 2019

Authorities are having trouble locating Ghislaine Maxwell

Ghislaine Maxwell was, according to her accusers, Jeffrey Epstein’s protector and procurer, his girlfriend and his madam. She was, by all accounts, a soul mate and a mirror image. He grew up in Brooklyn with no money to speak of and never finished college. She is Paris-born, Oxford-educated, a jet-setter who partied with princes and billionaires.

Together, Epstein and Maxwell allegedly built what prosecutors, police and a growing number of women described as a sex-trafficking operation that crisscrossed the nation to provide Epstein with three young girls a day.

The death of Epstein, the convicted sex offender who authorities said hanged himself in a federal detention center cell in New York on Saturday, leaves those who seek to hold someone responsible for the alleged abuse of dozens of girls with one prime target: Maxwell.

According to many of the women who have spoken about what Epstein allegedly did to them, Maxwell was the financier’s chief co-conspirator.

Maxwell, 57, has not been charged and has denied any wrongdoing. According to people familiar with the investigation, authorities have had trouble locating Maxwell, who is believed to be living abroad. Her five-story Manhattan townhouse was sold in 2016 for $15 million by a company that used the address of Epstein’s New York office.

Her lawyers told a judge in 2017 that she was in London, but had no fixed address. Lawyers representing Epstein’s alleged victims said they wouldn’t expect Maxwell to return to the United States anytime soon for fear of being arrested.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/epsteins-accusers-call-her-his-protector-and-procurer-is-ghislaine-maxwell-now-prosecutors-target/2019/08/11/7af5968a-bbbd-11e9-a091-6a96e67d9cce_story.html

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Authorities are having trouble locating Ghislaine Maxwell (Original Post) lanlady Aug 2019 OP
She's probably in a country that doesn't extradite to the US. RockRaven Aug 2019 #1
I wonder if she'll end up dying a mysterious death lanlady Aug 2019 #2
Maybe she already has? n/t rzemanfl Aug 2019 #55
Yes, but are there any where wealthy "socialites" can live Hortensis Aug 2019 #14
if she has the $$ probably anywhere yellowdogintexas Aug 2019 #22
Argentina does. She has plenty of money, but she might Hortensis Aug 2019 #25
One country kinda sticks out to me on that particular list ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #27
:) Is it one of the few where only those living in remote Hortensis Aug 2019 #30
I'm not SUPER familiar with the climate in this theoretical place, but that jibes w/my understanding mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #31
Not sure which country you are talking about, but if it is Russia, it doesn't have LisaL Aug 2019 #33
That would be precisely the country ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #41
Those countries might not be perfect, but presumably they beat prison cell. LisaL Aug 2019 #29
Would to me. Maybe she's reached an point where Hortensis Aug 2019 #32
Imagine that. nt Ferrets are Cool Aug 2019 #3
She may have ties to Putin for all we know FakeNoose Aug 2019 #4
On the lam, but better check all floating suitcases in the East river first Baclava Aug 2019 #5
Have they checked under the 18th hole at Mar a Lago? Midnight Writer Aug 2019 #12
... by 2016, Maxwell was no longer being photographed at events. In April 2016, struggle4progress Aug 2019 #6
K&R UTUSN Aug 2019 #7
Of course they are...nt 2naSalit Aug 2019 #8
Another failure in Fla. lanlady Aug 2019 #9
Where oh where has she slithered off to? donkeypoofed Aug 2019 #10
It would actually make quite a bit of sense ... gotta give ya that (nt) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #34
If she can stay out of sight customerserviceguy Aug 2019 #48
Commentary from a reporter having intermittent contact PandoraAwakened Aug 2019 #53
Bizarre relationship. Makes all manner of arrangements between couples sound conventional. Folie emmaverybo Aug 2019 #11
Get ready for the rolleyes crew to tell everyone how much we're conspiracy theorist uponit7771 Aug 2019 #13
Well, she is an experienced pilot, so maybe she's flown to parts unknown. ancianita Aug 2019 #15
My feelings exactly. LisaL Aug 2019 #18
She can fly under radar, therefore without flight plan, to any areas that have runways. ancianita Aug 2019 #42
Maxwell almost sounds like the real life version of Goldfinger's Pussy Galore rictofen Aug 2019 #44
She's the stuff of movies, all right. ancianita Aug 2019 #46
I can't imagine this ending well for her........ MyOwnPeace Aug 2019 #16
She probably took off to a country with no extradition treaty with the US. LisaL Aug 2019 #17
I hear Marge Gunderson, "Oh my she has gone missing up near Brainerd." Botany Aug 2019 #19
She's on a beach somewhere having pina coladas with Jeffrey Epstein. amywalk Aug 2019 #20
+1 Meadowoak Aug 2019 #24
Entirely possible that the body double thing could have been worked out. ancianita Aug 2019 #43
I heard she's now dating the Trivago spokesman. He and Epstein could be twins. n/t zackymilly Aug 2019 #51
I've been floating that around underpants Aug 2019 #56
Great. I'm sure Trump's DOJ will really work hard to find her. SunSeeker Aug 2019 #21
Kidding me? We have an extradition treaty with the U.K. EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2019 #23
Good idea jberryhill Aug 2019 #28
So there's this thing called UK police... sharedvalues Aug 2019 #37
"we can presume that UK police can find her if she's in London" - well, that's the "if" muriel_volestrangler Aug 2019 #50
The part of London where she currently is, of course ... mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #38
Well that does narrow it down quite a bit jberryhill Aug 2019 #40
You got it man ... easy-peasy! (nt) mr_lebowski Aug 2019 #45
Surprise, Surprise that they don't know where she is.... Upthevibe Aug 2019 #26
All this talk about extradition treaties. But how many countries... CincyDem Aug 2019 #35
She would not be eligible for the death penalty (not accused of murder) so LisaL Aug 2019 #36
We will never know. Maxwell AND Epstein can hide forever. MasonDreams Aug 2019 #39
Well, she's not Ghislaine Maxwell anymore because her passport doesn't say Ghislaine Maxwell dalton99a Aug 2019 #47
Australia rusty fender Aug 2019 #49
Plus don't eat the slugs or geckos. n/t zackymilly Aug 2019 #52
Indeed rusty fender Aug 2019 #57
Witness protection? Cracklin Charlie Aug 2019 #54

RockRaven

(15,037 posts)
1. She's probably in a country that doesn't extradite to the US.
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 07:23 PM
Aug 2019

Just sayin'... she's probably had a bug out plan for a while.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
14. Yes, but are there any where wealthy "socialites" can live
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:00 PM
Aug 2019

anything resembling the lives they're accustomed to?

yellowdogintexas

(22,280 posts)
22. if she has the $$ probably anywhere
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:28 PM
Aug 2019

she would lose her circle of associates

If we don't have an extradition treaty with Argentina, Buenos Aires would be a possibility.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
25. Argentina does. She has plenty of money, but she might
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:48 PM
Aug 2019

not want to live in (2015 list I just grabbed):

Afghanistan, Algeria, Andorra, Angola, Armenia, Bahrain, Bangladesh, Belarus, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Brunei, Burkina Faso, Burma, Burundi, Cambodia, Cameroon, Cape Verde, the Central African Republic, Chad, Mainland China, Comoros, Congo (Kinshasa), Congo (Brazzaville), Djibouti, Equatorial Guinea, Eritrea, Ethiopia, Gabon, Guinea, Guinea-Bissau, Indonesia, Ivory Coast, Kazakhstan, Kosovo, Kuwait, Laos, Lebanon, Libya, Macedonia, Madagascar, Maldives, Mali, Marshall Islands, Mauritania, Micronesia, Moldova, Mongolia, Montenegro, Morocco, Mozambique, Namibia, Nepal, Niger, Oman, Qatar, Russia, Rwanda, Samoa, São Tomé & Príncipe, Saudi Arabia, Senegal, Serbia, Somalia, Sudan, Syria, Togo, Tunisia, Uganda, Ukraine, United Arab Emirates, Uzbekistan, Vanuatu, Vatican, Vietnam and Yemen.

I could find a lot of lovely and acceptably safe places to live from that list, but then my needs for social scenes, shopping, cultural activities, etcetera, are far more easily met. I don't think my life'd be blighted because Prince Andrew and crowd wouldn't fly in for house parties.

I've read that some advanced European nations we have treaties with, and other places more fitted to her lifestyle, won't extradite for some financial crimes but do for others, very much including sex crimes.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
27. One country kinda sticks out to me on that particular list ...
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:54 PM
Aug 2019

See if you can guess which one?

Hint, it's in the 'later middle' part ...

Also ... this list seems wrong. Micronesia is a US territory ... Guam is part of it ... just off the top of my head.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
30. :) Is it one of the few where only those living in remote
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:56 PM
Aug 2019

mountain towns (assuming they exist) escape year-round heat?

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
31. I'm not SUPER familiar with the climate in this theoretical place, but that jibes w/my understanding
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:01 PM
Aug 2019

Yes, most definitely.

What I do know it that it tends to be on the colder side, being mostly located relatively close to the Arctic Circle.

Well, for the time being anyway.

OTOH, it could rather conveniently become something of a 'climate paradise' in 20-30 years or so of continued fossil fuel extraction.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
33. Not sure which country you are talking about, but if it is Russia, it doesn't have
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:02 PM
Aug 2019

an extradition treaty with US and it's not bad for someone with a lot of money. It also has areas with warm climate, if one so desires.

 

mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
41. That would be precisely the country ...
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:13 PM
Aug 2019

We weren't saying there's no warm climes there, but rather that one generally doesn't have to retreat to mountain towns to escape excessive heat in Russia ... unlike a lot of countries on the list of no-extradition countries.

(re-read the post I responded to )

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
32. Would to me. Maybe she's reached an point where
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:02 PM
Aug 2019

she's ready to give up the world and indulge a new passion for growing rare orchids in her lath house.

FakeNoose

(32,826 posts)
4. She may have ties to Putin for all we know
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 07:41 PM
Aug 2019

... considering the mysterious circumstances of her father's death.

struggle4progress

(118,379 posts)
6. ... by 2016, Maxwell was no longer being photographed at events. In April 2016,
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 07:48 PM
Aug 2019

the New York town house where she had lived was sold for $15 million. By 2017, her lawyers claimed before a judge that they did not know her address; they further claimed that she was in London but that they did not believe she had a permanent residence ...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ghislaine_Maxwell

lanlady

(7,135 posts)
9. Another failure in Fla.
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:39 PM
Aug 2019

was letting Ghislaine get off scot-free.

Lots of books and newspaper articles and PhDs will be written about this sordid, squalid mess.

donkeypoofed

(2,187 posts)
10. Where oh where has she slithered off to?
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:43 PM
Aug 2019

Come out, Maxwell or your picture will be plastered all over the internet and we'll find you the hard way. You WILL be found. The world is thirsty for revenge and you're it - unless you're already dead. That.wouldnt surprise me. You have FAR too much info on the world's richest douchebags. Yep, you're dead - either on your own or in custody.

customerserviceguy

(25,183 posts)
48. If she can stay out of sight
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 12:44 AM
Aug 2019

the douchebags will be OK with that. If she gets nabbed, then it's time to wipe her out.

PandoraAwakened

(905 posts)
53. Commentary from a reporter having intermittent contact
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 09:03 AM
Aug 2019

with Maxwell said last night (either on MSNBC or CNN, don't remember which) that the most recent siting of Maxwell was on a plane to NYC and she had completely changed her physical appearance.

Certainly has enough money to undergo plastic surgery, buy new ID, throw on a Magat hat, and blend right in somewhere in the Midwest where most will never have even heard her name, let alone know what she previously looked like enough to correlate it to her current look. Just sayin'...not inconceivable to be hiding in plain sight right here in good ole 'Merica.

emmaverybo

(8,144 posts)
11. Bizarre relationship. Makes all manner of arrangements between couples sound conventional. Folie
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 08:49 PM
Aug 2019

à deux comes to mind, a damaging duo. But they had joiners, also repugnant, as they helped themselves with no concern for the young, entrapped victims.

rictofen

(236 posts)
44. Maxwell almost sounds like the real life version of Goldfinger's Pussy Galore
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:15 PM
Aug 2019

When not flying Auric Goldfinger around, Galore delivered to him his guests and captives and also had a prominent role in his criminal schemes.

MyOwnPeace

(16,940 posts)
16. I can't imagine this ending well for her........
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:20 PM
Aug 2019

I would think she knows TOO MANY NAMES - and must be terrified after what's happened to Epstein.

Wow, how high will she jump every time a door slams shut or a car backfires?

sharedvalues

(6,916 posts)
37. So there's this thing called UK police...
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:06 PM
Aug 2019

Scotland Yard and local cops. There is law enforcement in the UK, you know. They even identified the Russian spies who came in to poison Skripal.

Plus, we have this alliance called Five Eyes which monitors a lot of conversations in the UK. I’m not sure if we pass info to the UK for purposes of their domestic law enforcement or for our federal law enforcement, but we certainly do so for spy cases. In either case, I think we can presume that UK police can find her if she’s in London.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,391 posts)
50. "we can presume that UK police can find her if she's in London" - well, that's the "if"
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 08:56 AM
Aug 2019

She was in London, 2 years ago. But people move around, and she has very good reason to. What the article is saying is not that she cannot be arrested, but that no-one is sure where she is now.

 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
40. Well that does narrow it down quite a bit
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:12 PM
Aug 2019

Just eliminate all the places where she’s not and, bang, you got her.

Upthevibe

(8,083 posts)
26. Surprise, Surprise that they don't know where she is....
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 09:53 PM
Aug 2019

My guess is that she's in a country where they don't extradite (to the U.S. -as others have mentioned). However, I would think there would be a hit on her (obviously, she knows too much and she could probably be able to get some kind of a deal if she talks) so I wouldn't think she'd be able to casually roam around or really go anywhere. I'd say her life is pretty much going to be a nightmare and (if the allegations against her are correct) rightly so.

CincyDem

(6,408 posts)
35. All this talk about extradition treaties. But how many countries...
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:03 PM
Aug 2019

...will not extradite to a country with the death penalty? Like the US today.

LisaL

(44,974 posts)
36. She would not be eligible for the death penalty (not accused of murder) so
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:05 PM
Aug 2019

that wouldn't be a concern.

MasonDreams

(756 posts)
39. We will never know. Maxwell AND Epstein can hide forever.
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:07 PM
Aug 2019

They have friends in low places, very low places.

dalton99a

(81,637 posts)
47. Well, she's not Ghislaine Maxwell anymore because her passport doesn't say Ghislaine Maxwell
Sun Aug 11, 2019, 10:17 PM
Aug 2019

and she has a couple dozen millions in the bank to live on. So she could be anywhere - she probably likes Switzerland

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