Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

kentuck

(111,094 posts)
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:02 PM Aug 2019

Conspiracy theorists, left and right, have very similar thoughts about Epstein.

Some of them believe Epstein is not dead. It was a "bodyswitch" of some sort?

Others believe he did not commit suicide. He was murdered.

He knew too much about very wealthy and very important people. They had to get rid of him.

They ask similar questions: Why did they take him off "suicide watch"? Why did they move his cell mate out? Why did they not check on him per protocol? How could they let him kill himself?

But where they differ is who they blame?

The Right believes that the Clintons were involved in some way in his "suicide". The Left believes Trump is deeply involved in some way with the sex trafficking. AG Barr is a very suspicious character in the suicide.

The Right believes those involved in the conspiracy are mostly Democrats and liberals, led by Bill Clinton and Bill Richardson. The Left seems to believe it is mostly the wealthy and elite from both Parties, believing they are above the law and they will never be caught.

15 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,691 posts)
1. If Epstein had dirt on Clinton, wouldn't "they" (whoever "they" are, presumably Tump and Barr)
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:04 PM
Aug 2019

want very much to keep him alive, and therefore make sure he was watched at all times so nobody could either whack him or let him commit suicide? That particular CT makes no sense at all.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
13. If he had ONLY dirt on Clinton, he would be valuable.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:35 PM
Aug 2019


but he had dirt of many many important people, including trump.
and it was trump who, as usual, projected Bill Clinton's name.
Which of course we knew was a projection
ergo...trump and others had motive.

Jus saying....

Response to kentuck (Original post)

BannonsLiver

(16,386 posts)
6. Yes, how silly of people to think the Russians influenced our elections.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:11 PM
Aug 2019

I mean who wants to listen to our intelligence agencies who said there were attempts to get into the systems in all 50 states. But hey, nothing to see.

But I have heard that same line a lot -- from Deplorables.

Leith

(7,809 posts)
4. Not quite as imaginative as killing a couple young teens
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:10 PM
Aug 2019

with a train (oh, yes, they think that), but as long as the job gets done.

underpants

(182,802 posts)
11. Okay I had to look that one up. Wow.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:23 PM
Aug 2019
https://www.salon.com/1999/08/18/libel/

The great Arkansas railway mystery
Twelve years ago, two teenagers were murdered on a rural railroad track. Right-wing conspiracy theorists who blamed then-Gov. Bill Clinton for the killings have now lost a $600,000 libel suit in the case.

At that point, controversial film producer Patrick Matrisciana entered the scene. Matrisciana, from Hemet, Calif., is best-known for his 1994 conspiratorial "documentary" "The Clinton Chronicles," a mail-order film that's an underground bestseller on the Clinton-hating extreme right.

Matrisciana's resulting 1996 film on the railroad mystery, "Obstruction of Justice: The Mena Connection," alleged that the teenagers were killed after they accidentally witnessed a clandestine drug deal in which top state officials were involved.



brewens

(13,583 posts)
5. He could have pulled a Hermann Goering and called in one last favor. People kill themselves
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:10 PM
Aug 2019

in prison or jail sometimes. Anyone on duty that could have effected the guards activities or surveillance system needs to be checked out. If they all of a sudden came into a bunch of cash, they have some splainin' to do.

If I remember the story, Goering made friends with a guard who retrieved a cyanide capsule from his personal belongings.

genxlib

(5,526 posts)
7. I sometimes wish
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:11 PM
Aug 2019

That Democrats were as all powerful as the Conspiracy nuts thought we were.

Somehow, Clinton apparently has enough pull to have someone killed right under the nose of the Trump administration within the Federal Prison system.

Obama was apparently capable of time travel in order to plant those birth notices in the Honolulu newspapers back in the fifties.

TDale313

(7,820 posts)
14. Yeah, put me in the LIHOP camp.
Mon Aug 12, 2019, 03:41 PM
Aug 2019

I believe he probably killed himself, but the being taken off suicide watch... feels like some powerful people decided, hey, he wants to kill himself? Probably best for everyone, so let’s not stop him.

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»Conspiracy theorists, lef...