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In practice, this executive order would mean that whichever political party is in power could dictate what speech is allowed on the Internet. Civil liberties groups are warning of a major threat to online freedoms and First Amendment rights if a leaked draft of a Trump administration edictdubbed by critics as a Censor the Internet executive order that would give powerful federal agencies far-reaching powers to pick and choose which kind of Internet material is and is not acceptableis allowed to go into effect.
CNN notes that if put into effect, the order would reflect a significant escalation by President Trump in his frequent attacks against social media companies over an alleged but unproven systemic bias against conservatives by technology platforms. And it could lead to a significant reinterpretation of a law that, its authors have insisted, was meant to give tech companies broad freedom to handle content as they see fit.
Its hard to put into words how mind bogglingly absurd this executive order is, said Evan Greer, deputy director of Fight for the Future, in a tweet. In the name of defending free speech it would allow mass government censorship of online content. In practice, it means whichever party is in power can decide what speech is allowed on the internet.
PEN America, which defends the free expression for writers, journalists, and others, warned that any executive order based on this draft rule would be an unconstitutional anti-American edict.
https://www.rawstory.com/2019/08/leaked-draft-of-trump-executive-order-to-censor-the-internet-denounced-as-dangerous-unconstitutional-edict/
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,406 posts)now wants their own. What a bunch of whiny hypocrites. Not to mention the fact that conservatives are hardly treated unfairly on social media and if they are getting removed from various platforms at a higher rate (though not really high enough), it's usually correctly justified by their poor conduct while using them (which social media companies. Also, I might add that right-wingers, if anything, have been somewhat successful in driving women, LGBTQ+, POC off of social media by (fraudulently) reporting on them.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)not a RW counterpart to the Fairness Doctrine's attempt to make sure the electorate has exposure to some of the honest news it needs to make responsible decisions.
I agree with you in essence that this is a dangerous move, but darn it, they're not hypocrites, they're hostile revolutionaries deceiving the people into remaining quiet while their nation is taken over, and it would be only the beginning once they got the power they're going for.
Caliman73
(11,730 posts)I mean, they are hypocrites, but as you said they are much more than just "do as I say not as I do" people. They are authoritarian and have a vision for the country/world that does not entail a "free marketplace of ideas" even as they use the slogan to shame liberals into ceding more and more power. The conservative vision for the nation/world is one where their ideas about who governs is the way and the hierarchy is set with them at the top and all others subservient to their demands. Once they get what they want, they aren't going to stop and say, "Okay, now we can just relax" They will keep working to cement their primacy.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)ancianita
(36,023 posts)Or posters on social media who post words he doesnt like?
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,321 posts)He who controls the pipes controls the content.
Is there profit in censorship? You betcha! Example: tax cuts for the ultra rich.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)This has to be about controlling elections, and keeping MF45 dictator for life. I might be missing something, but the broader goals seem clear.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)if they succeeded you would become very afraid of what you've posted on DU. Your best defense would be doing nothing that might draw the attention of the authorities to you. And the government would be monitoring everything.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)Ajit Pai's repeal effectively stripped the FCC of its role in protecting consumers and competition in the broadband market. And the consequences have been dire.
The latest political evil foisted upon CA during its wildfires.
"As a result, a fire department has no recourse when Verizon throttles its broadband, and AT&T, T-Mobile and Sprint can sell precise geolocation information for its customers to data brokers who then sell them to bounty hunters without consequence," Sohn said, referring to news last year that Verizon slowed the Santa Clara Fire Department's service to a crawl while first responders were fighting wildfires in California and allegations that major wireless carriers have been selling customer location data.https://www.cnet.com/news/net-neutrality-has-been-dead-for-a-year-what-you-need-to-know/
More from C-Net:
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...Democrats were able to pass a Congressional Review Act resolution in the Senate last year that would've repealed the FCC's order to dismantle the 2015 rules. But it's unlikely any Republicans will defect again to pass this legislation, even if Democrats succeed in getting it to the floor of the Senate.
If it passes both houses of Congress, it still has to be signed into law by Trump. And White House advisors have already said they are advising the president to veto it.
Yet another reason we must retake the Senate in 2020!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)we still have a true democracy or if 2012 was our last real democratic election at the national level.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)along with Rachel.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)i suspect so
ancianita
(36,023 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)or even take place in anything resembling an honest fashion...
ancianita
(36,023 posts)Of course we the public arent going to be informed, since hostile foreign powers are listening.
Im keeping my fingers crossed that all three vulnerable levels, from voting machine flaws to summary counts passing through servers, to total state count mechanisms, will be kept honest.
Youre right to be concerned about it all being too late. I just hope its not, and that further corruption can be prevented.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)lark
(23,091 posts)I just wonder if this would be a step to far for Roberts? I know Alito, Thomas, Gorsuch & Kavanaugh would go along with it, but Roberts occasionally seems half human. Truly, though, I would expect he too would sign off on this unconstitutional law because I don't trust him even a tiny bit and think at heart. he's truly a Russian Repug who doesn't give a damn about us.
Perseus
(4,341 posts)This madman has to go.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,321 posts)GOPers help donors get richer and more powerful. Everyone else are just worker drones or pawns.
CDerekGo
(507 posts)Just to be certain this was NOT from the Onion! What the hell is happening to Our Country?
Initech
(100,063 posts)TwilightZone
(25,464 posts)They want to be able to do and say whatever they want, but they don't want the same to apply to others.
Similar to how they want government to stay out of their lives, but not the lives of women, minorities, gays or anyone else not on their approved list.
Initech
(100,063 posts)It's not being conservative that is getting people banned from social media sites. It's people being hateful dicks and saying mean things and leaving death threats that is getting them banned from social media sites. And there's no such thing as "shadow banning". When I see the right wing organizing "free speech" events I automatically cringe because you know they're planning the exact opposite.
CrispyQ
(36,457 posts)until the uppity women, people of color, & gays started demanding equality & equity in the system. Now that the white status quo is being challenged & disrupted, a dictatorship doesn't seem so bad to them, just as long as it's their guy who's the dictator.
This more than anything pisses me off about the people I know who still support the republican party. They are okay with taking away the voting rights of people they disagree with. This is gonna leave a mark. I will never look at these people the same.
nolabear
(41,959 posts)Education, commerce, creative work, access to jobs, civil rights, practically everything we do or are depends on access to information and to creating information.
Were he to get away with it I would not want to live here any more.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Just pick any authoritarian government one chooses..
China,
Soviet Union
North Korea
Cambodia under Pol Pot...
nolabear
(41,959 posts)Those who can afford it get their news from satellite feeds from other countries. Those who cant have to deal with a state sanctioned view of the world. Its horrific.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)I have a couple Persina friends as well-
-one family in SF for whom returning to visit is frought with concern
-Another in Isphahan...
Perseus
(4,341 posts)It needs to be denounced as COMMUNISM...The POTUS is a communist and a POS.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)onetexan
(13,036 posts)TheRealNorth
(9,478 posts)Reallly has nothing to do with the economic system.
Chalco
(1,307 posts)in2herbs
(2,945 posts)they say. What is Russia planning in the coming days?? we can get a clue about what rUmpf will be doing by watching Russia.
Odoreida
(1,549 posts)Also impossible to implement.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Also impossible to implement.-- why?
I'm on your side but.. read some history--this is how it happens..
Perseus
(4,341 posts)Putin is the real POTUS today, the marionette who sits in the oval office just responds to the pull of the strings from his master.
Once again, if the republicans really love their country, how much are they compromised? The mafia job that has been done on this is something that Don Corleone would envy.
ancianita
(36,023 posts)shraby
(21,946 posts)with a stroke of his pen.
The ACLU will be all over his ass like a bunch of ticks.
triron
(21,999 posts)But hope the courts would immediately invalidate it.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Soviet Union
China
North Korea
Cambodia
...
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...
...
SummerSnow
(12,608 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)yonder
(9,663 posts)Funny how the crowd that's always thumping their chests about the 2A, Freedom and Liberty could get away with this. The other thing, if this EO were successful, how would it square with the conservative argument for Citizens United? Take away the voice of the people but not the voice of corporate America? It's not adding up for me.
Vinca
(50,261 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)but--------
courts very soon will all be owned by the fascists
SayItLoud
(1,702 posts)All media companies should just say F U, sue us. Let him take them to court as he forces congress to take those to court who defy legal, constitutional subpoenas.
Blue_Tires
(55,445 posts)Can you imagine the total outrage from both left and right if Obama even suggested censoring the internet??
But of course, it's just another day in Trumpworld and tomorrow it'll be something else.
calimary
(81,220 posts)And/or how far WILL he go?
bdamomma
(63,836 posts)away from us, he wants his own Russia, North Korea, or Saudi Arabia, he's a wanna be dick-tator. We must stop him or our life will be severed for a very long time.
Putin must love to see the demise of the US. We cannot be paralyzed. We must not do this
The Mouth
(3,148 posts)is when they don't get to decide what is unacceptable. This kind of shit is why I bitch and grip anytime *ANYONE* wants to censor anything, for any reason.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)I guess so.
Then, how about child porn?
Sorry.
Btw, that's a bit of whataboutism there.
The Mouth
(3,148 posts)If you outlaw what *YOU* consider "hate speech" then don't complain when they outlaw what they consider 'hate speech'.
so no
*NO SPEECH OR OR OPINIONS* (outside of the normal standard ones of defamation, incitement to riot, and child pornography, all very established legal doctrines) should be censored.
Period. Regardless of content or context. By left or right. Ever. And that includes "hate speech".
Duppers
(28,120 posts)Btw, defamation is open to interpretation and often pends upon a court decision.
keithbvadu2
(36,774 posts)Freedom of the press may be guaranteed in the Constitution. But a plurality of Republicans want to give President Trump the authority to close down certain news outlets, according to a new public opinion survey conducted by Ipsos and provided exclusively to The Daily Beast.
So that same 43% of republicans would approve a democrat shutting down Fox news?
https://www.thedailybeast.com/new-poll-43-of-republicans-want-to-give-trump-the-power-to-shut-down-media?via=twitter_page
pangaia
(24,324 posts)What might happen to DU ? I suspect we would be a top priority target.
Or maybe I just think we are too important..
nolabear
(41,959 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)ancianita
(36,023 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)ancianita
(36,023 posts)If DU members installed VPN it could prevent finding computer addresses.
(As I understand it)
pangaia
(24,324 posts)call the number-- ...
ancianita
(36,023 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)nolabear
(41,959 posts)I KNEW you would say that...
Nah,
its somebody else... I forget who...
bdamomma
(63,836 posts)Maybe we should exchange addresses. We should try to be in contact with each other.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)let's start exchanging!!
lpbk2713
(42,753 posts)And he doesn't even worry about being obvious any more.
Thomas Hurt
(13,903 posts)Eliot Rosewater
(31,109 posts)"fill in the blank" democratic candidate, cuz you know, maybe they gave a speech once.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)We will show you the 2nd!