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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThank you Rashida Tlaib for canceling your visit
Humanitarian reasons my black ass.
Tell them to fuck off.
Big victory here
hlthe2b
(102,247 posts)malaise
(268,980 posts)Thanks for this
UpInArms
(51,282 posts)Rachel Aliene Corrie (April 10, 1979 March 16, 2003) was an American activist and diarist.[1][2] She was a member of a pro-Palestinian group called the International Solidarity Movement (ISM).[3] She was killed by an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) armored bulldozer in a combat zone in Rafah, in the southern part of the Gaza Strip, under contested circumstances[2][4] during the height of the second Palestinian intifada.[5]
She had gone to Gaza as part of her senior-year college assignment to connect her home town with Rafah in a sister cities project.[6] While there, she had engaged with other International Solidarity Movement (ISM) activists in efforts to prevent the Israeli army's demolition of Palestinian houses.[2][7][8] According to the Israeli authorities the demolitions were carried out to eliminate weapons-smuggling tunnels.[2] According to human rights groups the demolitions were used as collective punishment.[2]
Less than two months after her arrival,[6] on March 16, 2003, Corrie was killed during an Israeli military operation after a three-hour confrontation between Israeli soldiers operating two bulldozers and eight ISM activists.[4][9]
The exact nature of her death and the culpability of the bulldozer operator are disputed, with fellow ISM protestors saying that the Israeli soldier operating the bulldozer deliberately ran over Corrie, and Israeli eyewitnesses saying that it was an accident since the bulldozer operator could not see her.[10][11][12][13]
The Israeli army conducted an investigation, which concluded that the death was an accident, and that the driver of the bulldozer could not see Corrie due to limited visibility from his cab. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch as well as B'Tselem and Yesh Din criticized the military investigation.[14][15][16]
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hlthe2b
(102,247 posts)was to both bury her story but likewise blame her for her own death.
I read about the Broadway or Off Broadway theatrical production of her life a few years ago and hoped it would "get legs" and be exported to productions across the country. Sadly, it did not seem to take hold.
UpInArms
(51,282 posts)Of its complicity in all that is wrong.
FakeNoose
(32,638 posts)However I think she's handling it well. It's the right decision to cancel her visit.
malaise
(268,980 posts)Love your Ditch Moscow Mitch
lettucebe
(2,336 posts)Someone needs to sell t-shirts and whatnot with this image. I'd buy one
kentuck
(111,092 posts)Those bastards!
nolabear
(41,960 posts)spanone
(135,831 posts)bucolic_frolic
(43,155 posts)I suppose foreign countries can do as they like, and let the international system of diplomacy, free press, and negotiation sort out their fallout, but what really irks here is Congress sets its own agenda. Presidents do not have the Constitutional authority to control agenda or travels of members of Congress. There might be an advisory from the State Department based on hazardous travel to hostile or war-plagued countries, but this was an avoidable incident. It has blown up in Trump's face. Notice that as the country is shifting against him, he is becoming more peeved, angry, controlling, authoritarian. And no one is listening.
Freethinker65
(10,021 posts)djacq
(1,634 posts)luvtheGWN
(1,336 posts)but also apartheid, because that's what it is.
MadMike47
(106 posts)The entire House delegation ought to cancel in support of Omar and tell Netanyahu to go to hell.
malaise
(268,980 posts)usaf-vet
(6,182 posts)She alone could stop all funded travel to Israel... right?
FBaggins
(26,735 posts)Trips are sometimes funded by outside groups. 70+ members were over there just last week on an AIPAC jaunt.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)The Speaker surely has influence, but the decision is generally up to the committee chair.
gratuitous
(82,849 posts)That won't make Needy Amin very happy, mostly because he doesn't understand the notion of standing on principle even when it works to one's personal disadvantage.
lame54
(35,287 posts)Who canceled first?
malaise
(268,980 posts)and then they lifted her ban for humanitarian reasons so she could see her grandmother.
Imagine banning someone whose family is Palestinian - even they knew how that looked to the world.
lame54
(35,287 posts)Went to bed knowing they were banned
Woke up to read she cancelled
Missed the part where the ban was lifted
OnDoutside
(19,956 posts)Response to malaise (Reply #18)
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Justice
(7,188 posts)That's the part that has me confused.
malaise
(268,980 posts)was more important. Thankfully she had a rethink.
Marengo
(3,477 posts)malaise
(268,980 posts)it doesn't have to be political.
Why should anyone agree to restrict her/his comments to please authoritarians?
If they were accepting me (to save face) but not the other person I was traveling with, I too would make a political decision and cancel.
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AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)If my G'mom lived in Dumpster Tower....I'd go see her.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)I think that's what my grandmother would have done.
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StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)obamanut2012
(26,071 posts)Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)cwydro
(51,308 posts)I dont know how close she is to her, but shell regret that.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)My Mom died in '16 and my grandmother in '74 but if I had to crawl over molten glass, butt nekkid, for 1 more visit....I'm there in 3 seconds.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)I hear ya.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)this entire episode has been sickening
cwydro
(51,308 posts)And saddening.
Jose Garcia
(2,595 posts)obamanut2012
(26,071 posts)UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)then they agree and then you say oh wait no forget it...my principals just kicked in.
I don't understand it.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)This is not a good look for her.
Justice4Jeb
(1 post)What about the figs! Weren't they planning on going fruit picking? Hope the grandma isn't too sad, maybe she'll make a statement or visit her in the states.
MichMan
(11,919 posts)It appears that she thought her request to visit her grandmother would be rejected and would make Israel look bad. When they agreed, she did a 180 and changed her mind.
After originally being denied entry, she wrote a letter with official Congressional letterhead requesting a visit to see her grandmother and specifically stating...
" I would like to request admittance to Israel to visit my relatives and specifically my grandmother who is in her 90's and lives in Beit Ur al-Fouqa. This could be my last opportunity to see her. I will respect any restrictions and will not promote boycotts against Israel during my visit. "
After Israel agreed, she accepted the offer, and then the very next day changed her mind and stated now she wasn't going stating;
"Silencing me & treating me like a criminal is not what she wants for me. It would kill a piece of me. I have decided that visiting my grandmother under these oppressive conditions stands against everything I believe in--fighting against racism, oppression & injustice."
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)saying FUCK ALL and going to see your grandmother. Maybe I feel that way because my grandmothers/grandfather and parents all died when I was young. I envy anybody who has an opportunity to see their grandparent and I don't understand why you would just toss that opportunity away.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)your grandmother, your family. I don't understand them saying yes and then her cancelling. I don't think that looks good nor does it make sense.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)This has turned me off her big time.
Mc Mike
(9,114 posts)SCVDem
(5,103 posts)the removal of all military aid to Bibi.
I am sure that will get the attention of many people here and there.
You WILL NOT deny entry to any member of our congress! Okay, Steve King you can.
I don't like the tone of Israels correspondence in this matter.
It sounds just like tRumpspeak.
They do know he only has 39% support at the most, right?
FBaggins
(26,735 posts)No Republican would back such a move and there are far too many pro-Israel Democrats for it to even come up for a vote, let alone pass.
DeltaLitProf
(769 posts). . . is that she suspects something bad might happen to her and to her family if she went ahead with the trip under these circumstances.
StarfishSaver
(18,486 posts)If that leg of the trip was purely a humanitarian trip to visit family, she would not be traveling on official House business and probably would not have been accorded the courtesies and protections given to a Member in an official delegation.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)...
EndGOPPropaganda
(1,117 posts)I am Jewish and a Jewish home land is very important to me.
But I am very opposed to this Israeli administration. Screw Netanyahu and his fascists.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)Not Talib.