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Thank you Rashida Tlaib for canceling your visit (Original Post) malaise Aug 2019 OP
Her lengthy statement: hlthe2b Aug 2019 #1
Excellent malaise Aug 2019 #3
Can anyone else remember Rachel Corrie? UpInArms Aug 2019 #58
I certainly do... It is still painful to remember how little repercussions, how determined the RW hlthe2b Aug 2019 #60
That so little attention was given to her by the media spoke volumes UpInArms Aug 2019 #61
This entire episode is unfortunate in so many ways FakeNoose Aug 2019 #2
Yes indeed malaise Aug 2019 #5
Awesome t-shirt transfer lettucebe Aug 2019 #29
Good for her! kentuck Aug 2019 #4
What a woman. nolabear Aug 2019 #6
K&R... spanone Aug 2019 #7
She delivered a Democratic display of strength bucolic_frolic Aug 2019 #8
I feel sorry for her grandmother Freethinker65 Aug 2019 #9
Proud moment to stand against oppression. djacq Aug 2019 #10
Not just oppression, luvtheGWN Aug 2019 #13
They should all cancel out MadMike47 Aug 2019 #11
+1,000 n/t malaise Aug 2019 #12
Isn't the power to travel for Congressional business Speaker Pelosi decision to fund or not? usaf-vet Aug 2019 #14
Yes and no FBaggins Aug 2019 #27
These trips are usually sponsored by committees of jurisdiction and are approved by the chair StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #44
Trump and Netanyahu failed to buy her off gratuitous Aug 2019 #15
I'm confused... lame54 Aug 2019 #16
She and Ilhan Omar were banned by the Israeli government malaise Aug 2019 #18
I missed the middle part... lame54 Aug 2019 #20
Yes, but not for Congresswoman Omar. OnDoutside Aug 2019 #26
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #42
Why did she sign a letter YESTERDAY pledging to respect restrictions? Justice Aug 2019 #17
Maybe, just maybe she thought seeing her 90+ year old grandmother malaise Aug 2019 #19
So, her political agenda is more important? Marengo Aug 2019 #22
Sometimes principle wins out malaise Aug 2019 #24
Post removed Post removed Aug 2019 #25
Family is 2nd to politics? That sucks. AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #43
Maybe her grandmother told her to stand on principle and not to come StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #45
This message was self-deleted by its author AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #49
Neither one of us has any idea what her motivation was/is StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #56
"political agenda"?! obamanut2012 Aug 2019 #33
It's for All the grandmothers, including hers. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #57
Sorry, but I'd do ANYthing to see my grandmother or mother again. cwydro Aug 2019 #23
Yep....no amount of politics would keep me from that if it were possible. AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #31
My mom in 17. cwydro Aug 2019 #32
Sorry cwy...Mom loss sucks. AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #41
I agree Skittles Aug 2019 #35
I agree. cwydro Aug 2019 #38
Perhaps she was trying to embarrass Israel and assumed they would refuse Jose Garcia Aug 2019 #30
Yeah, no obamanut2012 Aug 2019 #34
There is certainly some sort of reason to profusely ask to be let in on humanitarian grounds and UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #37
Principles, but yeah, I agree. cwydro Aug 2019 #39
IKR Justice4Jeb Aug 2019 #47
I didn't understand it either. If she didn't want to go , why did she ask ? MichMan Aug 2019 #53
I honestly also don't understand UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #55
I read her letter which was almost begging to go see her grandmother. Which I understand, it's UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #36
Not a fan of this congress critter. cwydro Aug 2019 #54
She's doing this for All the grandmothers, including hers. Mc Mike Aug 2019 #59
Congress needs to start discussing SCVDem Aug 2019 #21
Not likely to happen FBaggins Aug 2019 #28
What she can't say DeltaLitProf Aug 2019 #40
That's what I suspect StarfishSaver Aug 2019 #46
If she thinks/suspects that then that is exactly what she should say. nt UniteFightBack Aug 2019 #48
Excellent point AncientGeezer Aug 2019 #50
She would be treated as a second class citizen. eom guillaumeb Aug 2019 #51
+1 myohmy2 Aug 2019 #52
With you, malaise EndGOPPropaganda Aug 2019 #62
Israel, Trump, and Netanyahu look bad JonLP24 Aug 2019 #63

UpInArms

(51,282 posts)
58. Can anyone else remember Rachel Corrie?
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:30 AM
Aug 2019
Rachel Corrie

Rachel Aliene Corrie (April 10, 1979 – March 16, 2003) was an American activist and diarist.[1][2] She was a member of a pro-Palestinian group called the International Solidarity Movement (ISM).[3] She was killed by an Israel Defense Forces (IDF) armored bulldozer in a combat zone in Rafah, in the southern part of the Gaza Strip, under contested circumstances[2][4] during the height of the second Palestinian intifada.[5]

She had gone to Gaza as part of her senior-year college assignment to connect her home town with Rafah in a sister cities project.[6] While there, she had engaged with other International Solidarity Movement (ISM) activists in efforts to prevent the Israeli army's demolition of Palestinian houses.[2][7][8] According to the Israeli authorities the demolitions were carried out to eliminate weapons-smuggling tunnels.[2] According to human rights groups the demolitions were used as collective punishment.[2]

Less than two months after her arrival,[6] on March 16, 2003, Corrie was killed during an Israeli military operation after a three-hour confrontation between Israeli soldiers operating two bulldozers and eight ISM activists.[4][9]

The exact nature of her death and the culpability of the bulldozer operator are disputed, with fellow ISM protestors saying that the Israeli soldier operating the bulldozer deliberately ran over Corrie, and Israeli eyewitnesses saying that it was an accident since the bulldozer operator could not see her.[10][11][12][13]

The Israeli army conducted an investigation, which concluded that the death was an accident, and that the driver of the bulldozer could not see Corrie due to limited visibility from his cab. Amnesty International and Human Rights Watch as well as B'Tselem and Yesh Din criticized the military investigation.[14][15][16]

... more at link ...


hlthe2b

(102,247 posts)
60. I certainly do... It is still painful to remember how little repercussions, how determined the RW
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:40 AM
Aug 2019

was to both bury her story but likewise blame her for her own death.

I read about the Broadway or Off Broadway theatrical production of her life a few years ago and hoped it would "get legs" and be exported to productions across the country. Sadly, it did not seem to take hold.

UpInArms

(51,282 posts)
61. That so little attention was given to her by the media spoke volumes
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:45 AM
Aug 2019

Of its complicity in all that is wrong.

FakeNoose

(32,638 posts)
2. This entire episode is unfortunate in so many ways
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:39 AM
Aug 2019

However I think she's handling it well. It's the right decision to cancel her visit.

bucolic_frolic

(43,155 posts)
8. She delivered a Democratic display of strength
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 10:16 AM
Aug 2019

I suppose foreign countries can do as they like, and let the international system of diplomacy, free press, and negotiation sort out their fallout, but what really irks here is Congress sets its own agenda. Presidents do not have the Constitutional authority to control agenda or travels of members of Congress. There might be an advisory from the State Department based on hazardous travel to hostile or war-plagued countries, but this was an avoidable incident. It has blown up in Trump's face. Notice that as the country is shifting against him, he is becoming more peeved, angry, controlling, authoritarian. And no one is listening.

MadMike47

(106 posts)
11. They should all cancel out
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 10:45 AM
Aug 2019

The entire House delegation ought to cancel in support of Omar and tell Netanyahu to go to hell.

usaf-vet

(6,182 posts)
14. Isn't the power to travel for Congressional business Speaker Pelosi decision to fund or not?
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 10:54 AM
Aug 2019

She alone could stop all funded travel to Israel... right?

FBaggins

(26,735 posts)
27. Yes and no
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 12:14 PM
Aug 2019

Trips are sometimes funded by outside groups. 70+ members were over there just last week on an AIPAC jaunt.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
44. These trips are usually sponsored by committees of jurisdiction and are approved by the chair
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 08:31 PM
Aug 2019

The Speaker surely has influence, but the decision is generally up to the committee chair.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
15. Trump and Netanyahu failed to buy her off
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:09 AM
Aug 2019

That won't make Needy Amin very happy, mostly because he doesn't understand the notion of standing on principle even when it works to one's personal disadvantage.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
18. She and Ilhan Omar were banned by the Israeli government
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:25 AM
Aug 2019

and then they lifted her ban for humanitarian reasons so she could see her grandmother.
Imagine banning someone whose family is Palestinian - even they knew how that looked to the world.

lame54

(35,287 posts)
20. I missed the middle part...
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:30 AM
Aug 2019

Went to bed knowing they were banned

Woke up to read she cancelled

Missed the part where the ban was lifted

Response to malaise (Reply #18)

Justice

(7,188 posts)
17. Why did she sign a letter YESTERDAY pledging to respect restrictions?
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:23 AM
Aug 2019

That's the part that has me confused.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
19. Maybe, just maybe she thought seeing her 90+ year old grandmother
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:27 AM
Aug 2019

was more important. Thankfully she had a rethink.

malaise

(268,980 posts)
24. Sometimes principle wins out
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:57 AM
Aug 2019

it doesn't have to be political.
Why should anyone agree to restrict her/his comments to please authoritarians?
If they were accepting me (to save face) but not the other person I was traveling with, I too would make a political decision and cancel.

Response to malaise (Reply #24)

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
45. Maybe her grandmother told her to stand on principle and not to come
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 08:32 PM
Aug 2019

I think that's what my grandmother would have done.

Response to StarfishSaver (Reply #45)

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
23. Sorry, but I'd do ANYthing to see my grandmother or mother again.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:43 AM
Aug 2019

I don’t know how close she is to her, but she’ll regret that.

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
31. Yep....no amount of politics would keep me from that if it were possible.
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 01:38 PM
Aug 2019

My Mom died in '16 and my grandmother in '74 but if I had to crawl over molten glass, butt nekkid, for 1 more visit....I'm there in 3 seconds.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
37. There is certainly some sort of reason to profusely ask to be let in on humanitarian grounds and
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:30 PM
Aug 2019

then they agree and then you say oh wait no forget it...my principals just kicked in.

I don't understand it.

Justice4Jeb

(1 post)
47. IKR
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 08:46 PM
Aug 2019

What about the figs! Weren't they planning on going fruit picking? Hope the grandma isn't too sad, maybe she'll make a statement or visit her in the states.

MichMan

(11,919 posts)
53. I didn't understand it either. If she didn't want to go , why did she ask ?
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:25 PM
Aug 2019

It appears that she thought her request to visit her grandmother would be rejected and would make Israel look bad. When they agreed, she did a 180 and changed her mind.

After originally being denied entry, she wrote a letter with official Congressional letterhead requesting a visit to see her grandmother and specifically stating...

" I would like to request admittance to Israel to visit my relatives and specifically my grandmother who is in her 90's and lives in Beit Ur al-Fouqa. This could be my last opportunity to see her. I will respect any restrictions and will not promote boycotts against Israel during my visit. "

After Israel agreed, she accepted the offer, and then the very next day changed her mind and stated now she wasn't going stating;

"Silencing me & treating me like a criminal is not what she wants for me. It would kill a piece of me. I have decided that visiting my grandmother under these oppressive conditions stands against everything I believe in--fighting against racism, oppression & injustice."

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
55. I honestly also don't understand
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 09:29 PM
Aug 2019

saying FUCK ALL and going to see your grandmother. Maybe I feel that way because my grandmothers/grandfather and parents all died when I was young. I envy anybody who has an opportunity to see their grandparent and I don't understand why you would just toss that opportunity away.

 

UniteFightBack

(8,231 posts)
36. I read her letter which was almost begging to go see her grandmother. Which I understand, it's
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:28 PM
Aug 2019

your grandmother, your family. I don't understand them saying yes and then her cancelling. I don't think that looks good nor does it make sense.

 

SCVDem

(5,103 posts)
21. Congress needs to start discussing
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 11:33 AM
Aug 2019

the removal of all military aid to Bibi.

I am sure that will get the attention of many people here and there.

You WILL NOT deny entry to any member of our congress! Okay, Steve King you can.

I don't like the tone of Israels correspondence in this matter.

It sounds just like tRumpspeak.

They do know he only has 39% support at the most, right?

FBaggins

(26,735 posts)
28. Not likely to happen
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 12:18 PM
Aug 2019

No Republican would back such a move and there are far too many pro-Israel Democrats for it to even come up for a vote, let alone pass.

DeltaLitProf

(769 posts)
40. What she can't say
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 07:52 PM
Aug 2019

. . . is that she suspects something bad might happen to her and to her family if she went ahead with the trip under these circumstances.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
46. That's what I suspect
Fri Aug 16, 2019, 08:34 PM
Aug 2019

If that leg of the trip was purely a humanitarian trip to visit family, she would not be traveling on official House business and probably would not have been accorded the courtesies and protections given to a Member in an official delegation.

EndGOPPropaganda

(1,117 posts)
62. With you, malaise
Sat Aug 17, 2019, 08:51 AM
Aug 2019

I am Jewish and a Jewish home land is very important to me.

But I am very opposed to this Israeli administration. Screw Netanyahu and his fascists.

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