Why Suicide Is Very Plausible in Epstein's Death

[MineralMan]

He was an absolute narcissist, who built a fortune by being one. His narcissism made him feel invulnerable. Then, he wound up in a cell, with a very high probability of a conviction facing him that would lead to many years in a different cell.

The certain prospect of that could easily have led him to a deep despair with no possibility of improvement. His current situation set up a inescapable conflict between his narcissism and reality. Suicide would have seemed an attractive escape from that bleak future.

So, he took that path to oblivion as an alternative he found more acceptable than the reality he faced.

[leftstreet]

1. His many lawyers couldn't have gotten him a cushy deal?

He did time once before and survived

[MineralMan]

3. I don't think so this time, but that's not important.

What Epstein was thinking is the key. While I can't read what was in his mind, I can speculate. To me, my speculation makes sense.

[flotsam]

20. I'll speculate this much:

There have been reports he attempted to deposit money in other inmates accounts. And my point is a guy who wants to die probably doesn't pay for protection...

[StarfishSaver]

21. "Reports"?

[flotsam]

24. Yup

"Epstein deposited money in at least three other inmates’ commissary accounts in an attempt to ingratiate himself and possibly buy protection from the hardened criminals in the MCC’s Special Housing Unit, where he awaited trial on a massive underage sex trafficking indictment, outlet reported."

https://nypost.com/2019/08/17/jeffrey-epstein-tried-to-leverage-his-wealth-to-survive-in-jail-report/

[StarfishSaver]

25. Thanks for the link

[TwilightZone]

6. The media attention and uproar about the first time...

made it rather unlikely it would happen again. I think he was screwed this time.

[FakeNoose]

2. I agree and I believe he discussed it with his lawyers

Epstein must have had a will written up at the very least. His lawyers probably advised him against suicide, but so what? I'm certain he knew the jig was up and he didn't want to stay in jail for the rest of his life.

[Beartracks]

16. As it turns out, he DID stay in jail for the rest of his life. n/t

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[MineralMan]

18. And now, he's not staying anywhere.

He is an ex-pedophile. He is defunct.

[ProfessorGAC]

4. I Concur

A lifetime behind bars would be worse than death for someone like him.

[exboyfil]

5. I look at it as more of a Frankie Five Angels

situation. I think it is most likely he killed himself, but I also think that Epstein was given the opportunity to do it.

The fact that such a high profile federal prisoner was secured in such a sloppy fashion is an indictment on this facility.

[MineralMan]

8. You could well be right about that.

If they really wanted to prevent him from suicide, they could have. They didn't, so I assume they didn't mind if he did.

[empedocles]

27. lihop

[cwydro]

7. I agree. The NYTimes did a story on what life was like for him in that cell.

Hell, I was suicidal after reading it.

I think he most likely knew he wasn’t going to get out of this one.

[MineralMan]

10. Exactly. There wasn't a plausible way out of this for Epstein.

Except one, and he took that way, I think. Unfortunately, he also took a lot of information with him. That's unfortunate. I hope further investigation will turn up some of it, though.

[LisaL]

26. And his cellmate was accused of quadruple killing.

Epstein claimed cellmate roughed him up and it wasn't a suicide attempt the first time.

[comradebillyboy]

9. In the absence of other evidence I will accept the judgment

of the Medical Examiner. But it's easy to see why people would be suspicious.

[MineralMan]

11. Sure. No doubt there were people who wished him dead.

They got their wish. I think it was a predictable suicide. However, his death also removes his ability to fight against an investigation and examination of whatever information he left behind. So, those who wanted him dead should probably not breathe easily for quite some time to come. Of course, that assumes that investigations will continue. That might not be the case, if enough weight is put on limiting those investigations by someone capable of throwing that weight around.

[exboyfil]

13. You don't mean someone like the AG do you?

Naw. That would never happen.

[mopinko]

12. he was a sex addict going cold turkey.

going from 3 orgasms a day w lovely young ladies to rosy palm and her 5 daughters was quite the come down.

i think he killed himself.

[HipChick]

14. Now you put it like that...

[MineralMan]

15. That, too.

[marble falls]

17. Nailed it again. He just could not accept a life he was not in total control of.

[backscatter712]

19. Yep. And I'm also convinced that he was intentionally allowed to commit suicide.

It's the path of least resistance if you wanted him to disappear instead of testify.

He was in a highly secure prison facility - not even Jason Bourne could whack Epstein without it being obvious.

At the same time, not just one, but TWO guards were asleep at the switch, he somehow ended up off suicide watch after only six days. They lobbed a suicide softball at Jeffrey Epstein, and he hit it out of the park, so to speak.

I keep thinking of Frank Pentangelli from Godfather II.

Compare the suicide precautions, or lack thereof, for Jeffrey Epstein with how Chelsea Manning was treated...

[Vinca]

22. That's what I think, too. I hope the FBI checks the bank accounts of anyone responsible

for the well being of Epstein. It seems unlikely BOTH guards would be sleeping. I'm still not convinced it was a suicide - I hope there were more forensics done on the body. Fingernail scrapings, etc. The whole event is stinky what with the "broken" cameras, etc. I guess the bottom line is I don't really care at this point although it's a shame his victims can't face him in court. My biggest concern at this point is Bill Barr "disappearing" evidence that implicates a certain orange pervert.

[LisaL]

28. Well they put him in a cell with a guy accused of quadruple killing in a cocaine deal gone bad.

Of course then the cellmate was removed, I read several various reasons why-made bail or was transferred somewhere else.

[jberryhill]

31. Perhaps they should have put the rich Jewish guy in with the Islamic terrorists there

The choice of cellmates among people who have been accused of federal crimes in the MCC doesn't include people accused of being excessively kind to others.

[flotsam]

23. Strange:

"The Los Angeles Times stated that the prison is often referred to as the "Guantanamo of New York",[3] and The New York Times stated that its administrative segregation units had severe security measures.[4]"
Wiki
From it's opening in 2002 thru the present Guantanamo had three successful suicides. Epstein spent less than 6 weeks in MDC and killed himself easily???

[empedocles]

29. This epstein plot is still unfolding. I am withholding all 'very plausibles'

'very likely's', etc., etc.

[Fla Dem]

30. He met with his lawyers for 12 hours a day, just so he could keep out of his cell.

I read the living conditions were horrible where he was kept. Insect and rat infestations, smelly and noisy. I'm sure he understood he was not going to ever have a life outside a jail ever again and he was driven to despair that this was all he had to look forward to for however many years he had left.