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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsFed thermostat guidelines: Coolest 78 degrees daytime when home.
85 when away. 82 when sleeping (!?).
Actually, these seem to be pretty standard for NYC, Florida, and we want to do our part to reduce our footprint, but...
We've actually done 78-79 inside for ages here in soupy Georgia. It works fine even with my heat sensitivity and allows us to keep the windows open a large part of mornings and evenings, but we also supplement whenever needed with ceiling fans in almost every room. 85 when gone is fine, if we leave it on.
But 82 when sleeping?! The very thought was an unpleasant surprise. How does this work for others? We do light sheet over skin, fan and open windows whenever possible, and if that turns out to be 82ish, the heat wakes me up.
KatyMan
(4,213 posts)Never lived in southeast Texas.
trof
(54,256 posts)75 degrees is comfortable for us.
With a dehumidifier running.
Generic Brad
(14,276 posts)I lost the battle of the thermostat decades ago. These sound exactly like where she sets our thermostat year round.
has to be a mistake
RobinA
(9,902 posts)female will not be adopting those temperatures any time soon!
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)that came up with these guidelines. Just learned the Energy Star (as in appliances also) still active via, presumably, a request to news stations to remind people of these temperature guidelines.
Apparently in NYC De Blasio ordered high rises over 100 feet to set their thermostats at 78 degrees during the NE's heat emergency, and that struck a lot of people as "nuts."
Turin_C3PO
(14,100 posts)Anything over 72 degrees and Im cooked. I keep my house at 67 at all times. Bad for the environment? Yes.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The other day I was looking wistfully at a woman sunning in the high 80s by a pool; the days when that wouldn't risk hospitalization, much less feel good, are long past.
I can't do 78 in GA's humidity and be active, but right now it is 78 inside at noon and I can last a bit longer with windows and fan as long as I'm just vegging with the computer. The songbirds have gone mostly quiet in the heat of the day anyway.
I hope never to need 67, but if that's the case, like you that'll just have to be the way it is.
Johnny2X2X
(19,237 posts)In MI, we really only have a couple months where the heat is severe. I cannot tolerate heat well, and I absolutely cannot sleep well in anything about 70.
When I was a kid, my bedroom was in the basement so it was always nice and cool. When I became and adult and had my own place, it was always something I said I would never compromise on, I am always going to put my thermometer at a temp that is most comfortable for me.
In the Winter we keep it at 63 at night, 67 during the day. I'm lucky in that my wife likes it even colder than me.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)Set night temps to 70 or lower.
LuvNewcastle
(16,862 posts)I keep it about 72 during the day and 68 at night. My power bills are high during the summer, of course, but low in the winter. I keep my heat at around 60 during the winter, and the heat barely runs at all.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)and his prostate have gotten older we've brought it up to about 65-66. I get up when it's still dark and am fine leaving it there until the morning sun warms the house. Love my winter sweats.
Hoyt
(54,770 posts)able to keep it at 73, 74 or even a little higher during even the warmest days -- like it's mid-90s with high humidity now.
At night, turn it down a bit. I Like it cold.
My old house had two units and they were always breaking down because I ran them so hard. I don't think the systems were very well thought out. I even mounted a window unit in the bedroom for the hottest nights. The utility bills in that house were one of the main reasons I had to move.
Coventina
(27,217 posts)In our house, the thermostat happens to be in the coolest area of the house.
Therefore, we need to keep our thermostat at 75 just so the rest of the house is bearable.
If we let the thermostat go to 85 while we were away, it would kill my fish and plants.
And the dog would be miserable as well!
Plus, it would take hours to cool the house down once we were home.
Those guidelines are insanity.
blugbox
(951 posts)I keep my air at 80 day and night, 82 when away.
I hate frigid A/C air, and I keep a light sweater at work too because most people seem to like it super cold. I'm wearing my sweater as I type this.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)Actually, I can handle it much colder at night. I love to sleep in a very cold room with a ton of heavy covers on me.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)have air conditioning?
I especially do not understand people who say the have heat problems.
I grew up without air conditioning. Many people do not have it.
What would these people do in the 50s and before?
Coventina
(27,217 posts)So yes, I have air conditioning.
Almost everyone in Phoenix has a/c, it is a matter of life and death.
Phoenix was a tiny fraction of the size it is now in the 1950s. We rarely had these extreme temperatures, and, it would get cool at night.
Now, we rarely drop below 90 at night.
It's a different world.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)One thing we always loved about the desert, and living in SoCal, was the lovely bug-less cool of the mornings and evenings.
You remind that many millions of Americas now live in environments once considered dangerous to life, all dependent on artificial environments to make it possible.
If it weren't for HVAC and enclosed car parking keeping people from being forced by increased suffering to become aware of the growing problem, there'd have been massive insistence on stopping global warming long before it got this bad.
Coventina
(27,217 posts)And yes, it is true that there are about 8 million of us here in the greater Phoenix area, and if electricity went away it would become a ghost town.
And yes, if it weren't for HVAC global warming would have been addressed much sooner.
Believe me, I would LOVE to not live here, I've always hated it here, but every time I tried to move away, it didn't work out.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but out in the wilderness, not in town. We'd no doubt be retired in the desert somewhere now if fishing and a desire to try temperate gardening, and following our son, didn't take us east.
former9thward
(32,110 posts)Two 118s in the 1950s. 122 in 1990. Yes, the city has become an urban heat island. The sun soaks its heat into the concrete and is released at night. Although I do question why the official temperature is taken at Sky Harbor Airport.; The whole place is one big mass of concrete. Are you really going to get an accurate temperature for the city in the middle of that mess? I don't think so.
https://www.currentresults.com/Yearly-Weather/USA/AZ/Phoenix/extreme-annual-phoenix-high-temperature.php
uponit7771
(90,370 posts)uponit7771
(90,370 posts)LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"What would these people do in the 50s and before?"
Mark Twain wrote of his townspeople in Hannibal, MO. sleeping in the local caves when summer heat was oppressive. I'm guessing he understood "people who say they have heat problems."
virgogal
(10,178 posts)The summers were pure hell.No fans either.
jcgoldie
(11,656 posts)Southern Illinois summers get pretty hot. We have 150 yr old farmhouse with no AC. People are spoiled for the most part and can adjust. Somehow they did so for centuries. If its too hot in the afternoon we swim in the pond and sleep with a fan.
Coventina
(27,217 posts)And before you bring up Saudi Arabia and such, our society is not built around those temperatures.
We don't have the houses built to handle that kind of heat, and we have to work, rather than rest, during the day.
I can't call my boss and say I'm not coming in because of the heat.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Sealed homes that supposedly conserve energy have their own problems. Most are not built to have cross breezes, and enough trees to provide life-protecting shade are rare. More working people than not in hot-summer areas tend to decide to skip the raking before it starts and depend wholly on AC to cool the sun-baked ovens they call home. But if electricity went down and stayed down, many of them would become unlivable.
Btw, most people in the Middle East now live in electrified towns and cities, and many millions also work in air-conditioned environments during the day.
But it sounds like you're not going to report sleeping just fine at 82 degrees.
Coventina
(27,217 posts)However, the solution is not to tell people to not use their air conditioners.
We have to redesign ourselves out of this mess, and it's going to take a long, long time.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)home is overarched with mature oaks and amazingly comfortable most GA days. I go out on the west porch every morning and tell the trees we planted how wonderful they are and encourage them to keep growing more that day. It's working, over 30 feet tall now, but I'm not slacking. On the east we were able to keep young hickory and tulip trees that gave us a head start. Sun's high and beating on the roof right now, but they've already made a huge difference in and around the house since they've gotten some height.
Do you sleep comfortably in the low 80s then, agree with that recommendation?
Btw, I agree that many would be surprised to discover they can be comfortable in the upper 70s, and even above with fans. But people with medical heat problems can't adjust. Before AC they died if they couldn't keep cool enough in a pond or root cellar, and today they still do when AC is not available. Even healthy, normal people's body systems can start shutting down after too many successive days of high temperatures without cooling at night. It can start as soon as about 4 days.
GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)Drop it to 75 if we have guests in the summer
And used to love all those oaks overarching homes...until we met Mr. Hurricane! Now I wont have a tree close to coming over my house.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)half of our very elderly 72-foot-long" snowbird" mobile home in FL. We have a big sun room overlooking the marsh at the other end for early and late that we don't try to keep cool, but the little sitting room is always shaded under the oak and can be cooled or heated in under 10 minutes. And when hurricanes come we're out of there!
Of course, if worst happened, we'd hire someone to hitch up the wreckage and haul it out, then bring in one of the oldies from MH parks that people are always trying to unload for practically nothing. The biggest loss would be the tree. Slightly different situation from yours.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)While in (for example) north central Texas, that same period averages 96 degrees.
We Texans tend to refer to the summer temperatures you experience as 'late fall.'
jcgoldie
(11,656 posts)...and does not take account of humidity which is extreme in the lower Midwest during August especially. Nonetheless I wholly admit that there are much hotter summer climates in the south than where I live. Somehow people lived across the American south before widespread air conditioning or even electricity.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)higher than would be acceptable now. Prosperous people tended to leave for the summer, especially ones with children to protect, before electric fans became available.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,514 posts)Swim in the pond now and you may die from blue-green algae.
I live in the boonies. People in the nearest city have it much worse than I, with all the concrete and asphalt, engines, machines, and bodies. You may want to consider the fact that your situation is not universal.
Substitutes for air conditioning include underground dwelling, extensive shade, and substantial insulation. We could move all cities below ground, but that might take a bit of time and money.
Maybe it's time to put some solar reflectors into near earth orbit.
woodsprite
(11,936 posts)It was pretty surprising -- loud, but seemed to work well. That would be worth looking into to help alleviate some of the electric drain and ac bills for some people. Don't think it would work well for us since the humidity in Delaware is usually on the heavy side. We're in the woods, so we do get a benefit from the tree cover. It's 4-5 degrees cooler at our place compared to out on the main drive coming into our development.
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,514 posts)Humidity here in the middle of Kentucky is shocking to tourists. Most folks are not used to having to push air out of the way to walk.
Evaporative cooling might work in some place like Arizona. Those poor folks would still have to deal with hiker-tourists dying from the heat every summer. (Just because you don't see sweat doesn't mean you're not being mummified).
in2herbs
(2,947 posts)season, we were told that it required two separate duct works, one for an heat pump A/C the other for the swamp cooler. Too expensive to install unless original to house.
jcgoldie
(11,656 posts)People living in the city on asphalt in the sun can experience dangerous conditions in the hottest part of the year. The original debate was about sleeping when its 82 degrees. I do not see how that is dangerous for human beings.
womanofthehills
(8,795 posts)If I open my east and west doors (upstairs & downstairs) a nice breeze comes through. I like fresh outdoor air even if it's a little warm. Good thing about NM is - the temp always drops at night - so many summer nights I'm sleeping under a quilt.
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,450 posts)pretty much negate the use of air conditioning. I live in Indiana and it gets humid here. We keep our thermostat on 67 pretty much continuously during the summer and it's comfortable enough.
LiberalFighter
(51,216 posts)It helps make the setting more bearable. Although, I don't agree with it being as high as posted above.
dixiegrrrrl
(60,010 posts)recent article sez that having a fan blowing at your feet/lower leg will make you feel cooler all over, and indeed that works.
We have ceiling fans in all rooms except kitchen and bathrooms, I have a box fan going when I am sitting at computer.
Max A/C in summer is set at 78, 'cause I am home all the time. 75 at night, with ceiling fan , works very well.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)It helps me, but it doesn't help my dog. He starts wilting in the mid 80s.
LAS14
(13,789 posts)... it, but if we hadn't grown used to it, I wonder if we'd have so many fatalaties in strong heat waves. BUT! Whoever decided it could be warmer at night than in the day is nuts! People need sleep! And I lost a lot of sleep from hot nights without AC.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)When I get home I'll lower it to 78 for a few hours, then lower it again to 73 about nine pm.
Despite living in TX (we're on our 7th or 8th 100+ day in a row), my apartment is insulated from the sun by another building and no south or west-facing windows. That plus a blackout curtain in the living room allows me to keep my July & August utilities down to about $75-85/month.
at140
(6,110 posts)and run ceiling fan in whichever room you are in. Once the A/C removes humidity,
81 is comfortable with a fan. We actually use 82 and are just fine in NE Florida.
At night, we set it at 81 because wife like the fan running all night which I hate.
I would rather set it to 73-74 and turn off the fan. But I go along with her.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)claimed scientific support for sleeping in cool environments and ones that spoke of optimal sleep temps ranging between about 79-82. Those latter seemed to be part of conditions that facilitated a gentle natural dropping of body temp heading into the first part of sleep followed by a gentle rise.
I feel sure that seemingly ridiculous 82 setting no one so far claims to use has some basis and didn't come out of nowhere, but is its only foundation data from sleep studies in labs? Consumer Reports apparently republished these recommendations recently, but I'm waiting to see actual people say it works well for them. So far Blugbox comes closest, "Eh, works for me."
Hermit-The-Prog
(33,514 posts)72F is the best compromise amongst my wife, myself, and our English mastiff. We use a small, window unit air conditioner in the bedroom and another one at the other end of the house. Since the kids moved out, half of the house is closed off (not sealed, but neither heated nor cooled). Halfway between the two ACs the temp may rise above 80F, but the humidity is still managed so it is not uncomfortable.
Opening windows and using fans here would simply result in misery and overnight mold growth. Twenty years ago, I could put off switching from exhaust fans to AC until near the end of June. (Once made it all the way to July 4th, but that left the kids sweltering upstairs for about a week). We're lucky to make it to Memorial Day, now. It's been getting noticeably worse for the last 5 - 7 years.
My walls are insulated to R30 and the house is surrounded by shade.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)direction, too-early summer heat burning it out from the other. Even if you keep your bedroom at 72 year-round, you seem more in tune with seasonal changes overall than some choose.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)in2herbs
(2,947 posts)at 11:30 am it's 104 and will climb another 5 degrees today -- at least. Tomorrow's temp is supposed to reach 113+. The thermostat in our bedroom is set at 74 for sleeping and 76 - 77 degrees the rest of the time for the whole house. At this time of year it rarely gets cool enough to open the windows. Only another 2 months of this -- hopefully.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Your 76-77 is close to the recommended for daytime. If my husband were there I know he'd be taking his heat gun to the inside of the exterior walls to see what they read as temps climbed. Humid FL is the same in summer, never cools down/dries up enough to sleep with windows open; we're seldom down there then, but if we are it's AC effectively 24/7 in August.
in2herbs
(2,947 posts)the AC starts being in use in April, sometimes in March even, 24/7. I don't need anyone to tell me about the climate changing. Being outside every day and aware of my surroundings, I can see the change. The only time we open our windows and doors is during a monsoon storm if the outside temp drops to lower than we keep the house temp. I love that exchange of air. The new windows I had installed a few months back are really helping to keep the house cool. BTW: Maricopa county.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)The first three years we were here at the turn of the century, autumn started at the first of September, as if it was on a schedule. Back in California, I planted sweet pea seeds in late August so they'd be blooming before our growing season shut down in late November and bloom right through winter; our neighbor knew to keep flowers cut on her side of the fence so they'd continue blooming into May. Our roses bloomed all through winter and I pruned them roses on New Year's Day so they'd be ready spring into bloom the second week of February when spring in our area began.
Love those changing weather fronts that blow through here also. We just had one, but it rained heavily for just a couple of minutes and kept moving.
durablend
(7,466 posts)Said "Fed" offices are probably like 60 degrees 24/7.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Bayard
(22,188 posts)We always try to turn AC off at night, and open all the windows. Not possible the past few days.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)It's GA so humid, but I doubt it was more or much more than that "recommended" 82 otherwise.
hunter
(38,339 posts)But usually not for long.
Few people have air conditioning here on the California coast.
We'll be lucky to hit 70 today.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)cozy when damp cold winds are blowing in January?
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)I would die at night and my husband wouldn't like it either. That is nuts. We turn ours up during the day and it is scheduled to go down at night when we go to bed. Our bills are manageable even in the Oklahoma heat.
Turbineguy
(37,385 posts)In a central system the air temperature is dropped to about 56 to control the water content of the air. Reheating to 78-79 costs.
A window unit will just run to the setpoint in the room.
I found the key is the relative humidity. Even if the temperature is a perfect 72, if too dry, you'll be cold and if too high clammy skin.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Heat is much worse when it's humid. I'm likely to turn the AC on earlier in the day if the humidity is bad. We used to very dry where I live (about 60 miles from Phoenix or so) but the past three years have been much more humid.
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)I live about an hour by car from Phoenix, but we run about ten to fifteen degrees cooler. Sometimes I'll bump it down to 76 if I can't sleep.
at140
(6,110 posts)during the day and 81 at night, and run ceiling fans in whichever room we are in.
The A/C takes out the humidity in the house and the fans keep us comfortable.
Our electric bill is very low! I have replaced all light bulbs with LED bulbs.
I should mention we do not use electricity for cooking or hot water. It is nat gas for that.
The water heater has no tank to keep warm 24-7. It fires up only as needed.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)when so many are set in the 60s and low 70s are typical. The recommendations do suggest fans to supplement. Here in the south we put them in every room but the bathrooms and the center hall/library/dining room area crisscrossed by traffic all day long. LRM has two, stairwell a powerhouse that sucks up or pushes down depending on which way we want to move that air.
Lots of good information, at140. I wish we'd put in tankless water heaters, but they were newish and pretty expensive at that time. That's changed. First time our tank goes out, we'll dig into our pockets and convert.
Love those wonderful LEDs. I remember back in the Obama days when reactionaries on a decorating forum defiantly said they were laying in big stocks of the old light bulbs rather than giving them up. Bet a bunch of them have boxes gathering dust in their garages.
at140
(6,110 posts)My showers are short but when my daughter visits, she takes very long showers and used to use up all the hot water. Can't wait till she visits during the holidays! We won't be shouting at her to end the shower!
Maru Kitteh
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greatauntoftriplets
(175,761 posts)I shudder to think of what their winter guidelines are. It gets very cold in Chicago, this year it got down to -23.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Amaf, back in 2017 he tried to cancel the entire EPA/DOE Energy Star program that developed these guidelines but seems to have failed at that also. Though no doubt he did real harm. It seems to be an EPA program now, but do they even have a budget any more? Pretty sure there must be a clerk left because someone apparently asked media to remind people of this (a few did and that's how I came to do my 82! WT-- reaction).
-23 makes 82 degrees -- without pulling up the $450 decorative, dry-clean-only comforter -- sound very inviting.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,761 posts)(I only know that because I had a doctor appointment.) But that's way too hot for me. Chicago gets very humid in the summer and this year has been mostly hot. The air needs to move and the air dried. And it's much worse in the southern states than it is here.
These guidelines are just stupid. Thankfully, we can ignore them until they get the heat police.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)might for others. But I find 78 does very nicely combined with fans and I'm overly sensitive to heat. This is a much larger house than we need, and knowing we can be comfortable with a higher AC setting is itself a comfort to us, as well as to our checkbook.
As for the "heat police," things are getting serious and guessing that's coming to many in the next few years. I really liked some aspects of the way our southern California city handled extremely serious drought. In spite of being famously conservative, our city simply cut everyone's use by 15% (with ability to appeal for special situations), and the people could continue to use their water any way they chose. No water police, no neighbors spying on and turning each other in. If you wanted to use your month's water supply washing your cars, your own choice.
Also, it's worth noting that on our street we were literally the only household that didn't waste so much water than a 15% cut made no difference at all. Lawns remained just as green as before. I'm guessing the same would be true for most with mandatory power-use cuts if it comes to that, and considering everything, maybe we should hope it does.
greatauntoftriplets
(175,761 posts)That happens very rarely in July and August.
We're fortunate in Chicago to have Lake Michigan because water supply has never been a problem here. In fact, the water level is very high this year. That causes other problems, of course, including beach erosion. We had a lot of rain in spring through June. Recently, we had a long-ish dry spell, which is causing some of the trees to brown way too early.
Tiggeroshii
(11,088 posts)Am I wrong to think they will be saving me money?
Mike 03
(16,616 posts)Ceiling fans are IMO tremendous. Not sure about saving money; presumably anything that keeps you from using AC should help. Some ceiling fans are reversible (you can switch their directions) for some benefit when it's cold, but I've never figured out how it helps. Maybe somebody here knows about the electricity consumption of ceiling fans. This time of year I usually have one running almost all the time.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)them with higher AC settings. Not long ago they were seen outside the hot states as tacky, at least judging by comments on home decor forums, but the deep south always disagreed and I suspect that may be changing up north at least a bit. A function thing. I have a ceiling fan on right now, and it feels lovely, as always.
As for moving air, it depends on your house. We have a three-story stairwell, and a good part of the year when windows and the bottom-level outside door are open we push hot interior air up the stairwell and out the cross-vent windows on the attic level. In summer, when it's closed up, we may push air down to keep it notably cooler without turning the AC on an attic floor we mostly don't use in the daytime. In winter we let the fireplace furnace air rise on its own.
Most fans should be off, though, when you're not there to benefit from the air moving across your skin.
The only fan that doesn't pay its way many times over in comfort, and probably in cost, is over my kitchen work island. I use it sometimes, but as it turns out not when there are onion or garlic skins to blow around, and I use a lot of onion and garlic.
NutmegYankee
(16,203 posts)Many go still without AC, though the summers are getting more humid rather rapidly and its finally breaking resistance to AC.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)them because they were popular in many areas, but many traditionally-minded still resisted. They're very time-honored in the south of course and have been in fine homes as long as electricity.
Historic NY
(37,457 posts)when necessary but use the ceiling fans.
Bengus81
(6,936 posts)You leave the house and crank it up to 85 on a 100 degree day in the mid-west you'll use more electricity when you get home cooling it back down than if you'd left it alone. Yesterday in Wichita we had a "feels like temp" at one time of 114 degrees because the humidity was off the charts. Today it's 110 right now.
Under those conditions you let your house get hot your AC will run for hours trying to bring it back down,and the wear and tear factor kicks in. 82 degrees in a home at night with windows shut and very little air moving is a sweat box.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)but I think we should question whether a setting of 82 at night would be a sweat box if the AC is pulling humidity out as usual and a fan is moving the air if needed. As recommended.
Once again, I'm assuming this DOE/EPA recommendation, published more than once by Consumer Reports among others, is not a typo and wondering what people with real-life experience might report. My own experience is not good, but I'm a special case.
susanr516
(1,425 posts)We run the AC at 78 during the day, 76 at night. We also have a couple of box fans and ceiling fans in every room of our house. AC down here is as much for the humidity as the heat. I love the winters here, but summer lasts from May-Sept. In July and Aug, other than the occasional thunderstorm, the low temp never drops below 78, and that comes with over 90% humidity. It's certainly gotten hotter here in the past couple of decades, but summers have always been a steamy ordeal. At least we have an almost constant sea breeze.
NutmegYankee
(16,203 posts)Someone recommending 82 for sleeping needs a psychological evaluation.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)wondering if answers would be as implacable if 82 degrees was suggested in...February to people in WY or western PN?
NutmegYankee
(16,203 posts)Some go cooler, but I like showers that are comfortable to step out of.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)even dress inside of as needed to stay warmer in winter than the room outside (if we haven't just turned the heat up). But however it's accomplished, that's definitely a priority for us also.
Previously unheard-of comfort, available to almost everyone, is an enormous blessing of our times. The issue is how to keep it on a smaller footprint.
Ms. Toad
(34,117 posts)We don't turn our air conditioner in until it gets betwee, 85 & 90 in the house. It's rare that the house is that warm overnight, so it doesn't normally come on.
If I were inclined to run an air conditioner at 78 ad 82, though, I'd do 78 at night and 82 during the day.
So - how about winter? We do 65 during the day, 68 in the evening, and 55 overnight. Y'all probably think that's crazy, too.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Regarding winter, for a while we went down into the 50s at night and really enjoyed burrowing under covers, but prostate issues created and put an end to excessive shivering out of them. Our "en suite" is in an attic that's a straight 40+ foot shot from his side of the bed to the water closet--which has a door for privacy and window to admire the view during. We tried 60 for a couple years, and now it's @ 65-66.
Daytime, we have a long side to the east and let the sun heat it up from that start. No sun, we use the wood furnace or dial up the thermostat. Seriously, my too-low temp for winter creates cold hands. Above that break point, cozy winter wear that keeps us perfectly warm and comfy in the 60s is one of the pleasures of the season. Barring babies visiting, we just have no reason to crank it up and pull out summer lounge wear.
obamanut2012
(26,165 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)preferably but not necessarily programmable, Obamanut. Humidity is removed by standard systems. Shall we assume you don't do 82 at night anyway?
W_HAMILTON
(7,876 posts)I remember when I was a kid (~30 years ago, god, I'm getting old...) and "room temperature" was like 68. Now, I have been "boiling frog syndrome'd" up to 70, whereas I see other people turning the thermostat up to 75ish and, sometimes, even worse. Absolutely not. And these people are the same ones that will ALSO crank the heater up high as hell in the winter time, so, they aren't saving the environment with their shit either.
Those temperatures cited are bullshit. Fucking do something substantive about climate change instead of telling me to turn my thermostat up to near-hell levels.
Hortensis
(58,785 posts)IF your community set energy use limits for you, understanding they would require some very minor lifestyle changes (warmER inside clothes in winter, for instance; maybe adding fans to create inside breezes in hot weather), what new settings could you tolerate comfortably do you think?
W_HAMILTON
(7,876 posts)Once it gets up to around 73-74, even with a personal fan, it just becomes too hot for me. I can't even fathom keeping it at 82 degrees! Hell, I live in the hot ass humid southeast, and when my A/C recently broke, it only got to around 79 degrees inside. If you are setting it at 82 degrees, why in the hell even have an A/C to begin with? Jesus...
And it might be one thing if the people that set the thermostat super hot in the summer let it be super cool in the winter, but nope! They set it high as hell in the winter time as well.
The temperature on the thermostat has been one of my biggest pet peeves. I'm pissed that the "conventional" room temperature has gone from 68 to 74ish as is, but going from 68 to 82? Absolutely not.