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[H2O Man]

Hello, D.U.ers:

I'm sure that you find Trump's comments toxic and dangerous. Please consider supporting Bend the Arc's efforts (see below).

Thank you!
H2O Man


https://www.bendthearc.us/

“I think Jewish people that vote for a Democrat — I think it shows either a total lack of knowledge or great disloyalty." - Donald Trump, August 20, 2019

“[Rep. Tlaib] hates Israel and all Jewish people. She is an anti-Semite. She and her 3 friends are the new face of the Democrat Party. Live with it!” - Donald Trump, August 20, 2019

As American Jews and allies, let’s be clear: Trump is putting Jews in danger to stir up his white nationalist base.

Claiming Jews are disloyal — that we are not full Americans — is a centuries-old antisemitic trope designed to isolate and endanger Jewish people.

We know who mainstreamed antisemitic conspiracy theories that motivated the shooters in Pittsburgh and Poway: Trump.

We know who incites violence against Jewish people, immigrants, Muslim people, Black folks, people with disabilities, women, LGBTQ folks, indigenous nations, and so many more of our friends and family: Trump.

We know who puts children in cages, separates infants from their parents, and denies due process for asylum seekers: Trump.

We know exactly who he is. And we know who we are.

We are loyal to human dignity: welcoming immigrants and refugees and asylum seekers, no children in cages, no families separated.

We are loyal to the promise of this country: a vibrant, multiracial democracy where all are represented and counted and loved.

We are loyal to equality and justice: for all.

We are loyal to each other. 

If that’s being disloyal, then we are proudly disloyal to President Trump and the white nationalist agenda he represents.

Part Two:

Patrick —

Thank you for standing up to Trump and showing that he does not speak for us.
 
His attacks on progressive leaders, accusing them of antisemitism, and then accusing American Jews of disloyalty, a centuries-old antisemitic trope, is shameless and shameful. His words and policies are absolutely dangerous for Jews, Muslims, and so many of our communities. And together we will fight back.

Ready to take action? A coalition of Jews against white nationalism is holding a call tonight for people who are ready to hold Republican members of Congress who enable antisemitism and bigotry accountable. RSVP here to join TONIGHT at 8:30 PM ET.

If thousands of us raise our voices we can show what our community truly believes — will you ask your friends and family to sign the letter, too?

[smirkymonkey]

1. K&R

Signed the petition

[H2O Man]

12. Thank you!

Just got a message from my friend there, who really appreciates DU's participation!

[mr_lebowski]

2. Obviously Trump is a madman ... but isn't this sorta the opposite of the 'trope'?

Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't the 'disloyalty' accusation normally expressed as 'Jews are more loyal to Israel than (insert Country they live in here)'?

But in this case, isn't Trump accusing them of 'disloyalty' ... to Israel?

I mean it's still garbage of course, but it seems like it's the opposite of the usual hated and dangerous trope. It's like he's saying they should be MORE loyal to Israel than the USA.

No?

I almost wonder if he wasn't trying to use the trope to the delight of his 8-chan dwelling fan base ... but doesn't actually know what it is, he just knows 'disloyal' is part of it, so he just shit that word into the conversation ...

[H2O Man]

13. Good question.

We know that Trump has been seeped in all forms of hatred since an early age, including an unhealthy dose of anti-Semitism. And he spouts that type of hatred daily.

Yet there are times that I'm convinced that he repeats shit with no greater understanding than a parrot.

In my opinion -- and this is speculation upon my part -- it is a combination of anti-Semitism, a nod to his base, and his feeling that anyone who doesn't support him is "disloyal." At the same time, of course, he find him saying nonsense about being the king of the Jews. That is far, far beyond acceptable.

[matt819]

3. And yet - once again

Absolute silence from Republicans.

Nothing about the vile anti-Semitism of the dual loyalty trope.

Nothing about buying Greenland and insulting Greenland and Denmark.

Nothing about his walk-back on background checks (color me surprised).

Such a vile man, a vile party.

[H2O Man]

14. Thanks, matt819!

I talk to my uncle, a 91-year old WW2 vet. He says that this is exactly what he fought against in Europe. I know it is generally frowned upon to compare anyone to Hitler, but my uncle has earned that right ....and he is right.

[Wellstone ruled]

4. As someone who recieves

the P&L statements monthly from our Community Golf Course,we don't cash flow eleven out of twelve months a year. And in some years we never cash flow. So saying that,my guess is Trump's Florida operation mega membership fees of 200k per are pledged against his leveraged Loans on all of the other 16.

Though after the Monday report of his claiming valuation of Scotland at 164 million when last year it was 46 million,would prove my theory of a massive Ponzi and he is Reifying his bogus Valuations which is common for Real Estate Speculators. In order to stave off Defaults and Judgements.

Understand this year was one in which the number Golf Courses that failed was a new record high.

[mr_lebowski]

6. Think you may've meant this for another thread :) (nt)

[H2O Man]

15. I think that

he is feeling pressure from many sources, coming from many directions. His failing business ventures are likely more of a problem for him today, than those from the 1980s through '90s.

[Wellstone ruled]

22. First off the Guy is a total Moron to start with.

Secondly,he is not well Mentally. And a third thing,if you or I had 435 million from the Old Man,we would be Billionaires instead of a Bankruptcy Court regular.

Leveraging up the Appraisal of Real Estate is kind of the norm if you are buying more properties. Providing your existing properties are inflating under standard excepted Accounting Practices. But,with this Trump thing,it sure looks like a Ponzi. Especially with the use of what is called Personal Valuations. He will get burned to the ground shortly.

[H2O Man]

25. Interesting points.

I'm guessing that this will have a very negative effect on his children, as well?

Finances are not an area that I have much of an understanding of, so I appreciate your insights!

[Wellstone ruled]

34. Looking more and more like

either Brookfield Properties or Blackstone will end up with both Kushner and Trumps buildings and Golf Courses since they are tied to the underlying Funding of this Crime Syndicate.


One does not screw with the Russian Mafia or the Emirates and the Saudi's. Just a matter of time.

[H2O Man]

35. Many years ago,

when my brothers and I boxed, some nice businessmen attempted to get us to contract with them. They treated us very well. Being poor farm kids, we were greatly impressed. Our father had his brothers, who were high-ranking detectives, attempt to explain why we should not engage closely with those fellows. "They seem nice now, but they are the last people on earth that you want to be in debt to," they told us.

Years later, one of my uncles sent the guys to the federal pen.

I think that the Russians are likely a more powerful version of those guys. Trump probably thought they were nice initially.

[Wellstone ruled]

39. Had a brush with that crowd myself

in my early twenties. Like you,glad I listened to a Older Jewish Fellow who filled me in as to what the skinny was. Like you,just a Kid from the Farm with a ton of get up and go and not knowing the ropes of a scam just got lucky not to end up in some Corn Field before my time.

[Ilsa]

38. I like what you are posting, and I hope

the banks, the FBI, the CIA, and the DoJ are keeping an eye on this stuff. If he's benefitting his businesses at the expense of our national security, they need to be on it and stop him.

I think we need a special forum for all the likely illegal stuff MF45 has going on. Plus his bad behavior.

I think your autocorrect got the best of you on the phrase, "standard accepted accounting principles," vs "excepted".

[Wellstone ruled]

41. Sorry,

damn dyslexia kicked in again. Just thinking back to my Econ Classes and Business Law. Thanks again.

[Ilsa]

43. Arrrrgh! My son is dyslexic

and autistic.

Your posts were most excellent, though.

[kentuck]

5. Recommend

:kick:

[H2O Man]

16. Thanks, kentuck!

There are times when I question why the country is having such trouble towards the later years of my turn here on Earth. But it is especially troubling when I think about this being the reality of my children's lives, and all of the other young people.

[NBachers]

7. "We know exactly who he is."

[H2O Man]

17. That says it all.

[lunatica]

8. Rec

[H2O Man]

18. Thanks!

[Rhiannon12866]

9. K&R and I'm on board!

I have been disturbed and baffled when I learn that Jewish friends of mine actually voted for and support Trump! What can I say or do?? Thanks so much for this post.

[H2O Man]

19. Thank you, Rhiannon12866!

Bend the Arc is an outstanding group.

A large part of my extended family is Jewish. I'm glad to say that none of them voted for Trump.

[Rhiannon12866]

44. Awww, this really terrific woman who I'm friends with apparently watches FOX News

I really don't get it and I don't want to fight about it, but it makes absolutely no sense to me! I felt like hollering when I found out, but I managed to only tell her she was mistaken. But she's so sure of herself that I'm afraid it would be an uphill battle - like it is with so many of the brainwashed. Fortunately, the number of people I know like that I can count on less than one hand.

[FakeNoose]

40. It's true that some Jewish folks are politically conservative, some vote R

... and they believe that supporting Chump will help Israel one way or another. (To me it's short-sighted, but hey.)

However many other Jewish people are liberal/progressive and their eyes are wide open to the dangerous shitshow that Chump is running. It's completely irresponsible, the crazy things he's tweeting now. He's just being divisive because he's a one-trick pony. He doesn't have anything else.

I'm happy that we're able to see though this, but I worry about the uninformed Americans who won't pay much attention until it's too late.

[Rhiannon12866]

45. After Charlottesville, it's truly baffling that any Jewish person could support Trump

That's what I really don't get - but then I honestly can't understand how any person of any religion or lack of it can support him. He's been more than obvious in showing us exactly who he is.

[MyMission]

54. 10% are deviant

Decades ago I learned in a psychology class that approximately 10% of any population is deviant from the "norm"
Not sure if this is true now, but it seems that way to me.
As a Jew I ask myself the same question you ask, but the concept of 10% is my answer.
The same for Latinos, or people of color, or LGBTQ community, or women, or farmers, etc
There are Frump supporters in those groups too, and I ask myself why.
Then 10% pops into my head.
Let's hope the deviants (rump supporters) in these populations are few and far between.

[mountain grammy]

10. K&R

[H2O Man]

20. Thank you!

[mountain grammy]

58. No, thank you!

This is the most important post I’ve read in weeks.

[Hekate]

11. Kick!!!

[H2O Man]

21. Thanks!

I can report that I'm getting a better response on DU than on face book. However, I expect a better fb response this evening.

I'm so glad that I got internet and phone back yesterday!

[Soph0571]

23. k&r

Went to petition but it asked for a zip code.... figure I don't want to muddy waters by having a furghner sign

But will share the link with all that I know in the States

[H2O Man]

26. Thanks!

I'll ask them about a petition for non-US people. Congress needs to know that the world is watching.

[Soph0571]

30. That would be excellent

I have Jewish networks in London that would sign in a second

[H2O Man]

32. Great!

[spanone]

24. K&R - DONE!!!!

[H2O Man]

27. Thanks, spanone!

This is so important.

[spanone]

31. Absolutely!!!

Thank You!

[Me.]

28. KR

[H2O Man]

29. Thank you!

[bluestarone]

33. KICK!

K&R

[H2O Man]

36. Thanks!

[bluestarone]

37. You are most welcome!!

[Hermit-The-Prog]

42. the cowardly, ignorant, vicious, narcissistic, vindictive Twitler must be stopped

He is the flag-waver of the Nazi and white supremacist movements that have been growing in this country for decades. The GOP have funded their coalition of evil through distorting public policy, tax structure, voting rights, communication (including consolidation of media ownership), and a mania for de-regulation for the richest and most toxic industries.

[H2O Man]

48. Yeah. Exactly.

He is dangerous. And he enjoys putting others in harm's way. He must be stopped.

[coeur_de_lion]

46. Signed up

Looks like a good organization.

[H2O Man]

49. It is!

Trump generally bullies those who are defenseless, like little brown-skinned children, or those who are cowardly, like the republicans. He's going to learn a harsh lesson, and so are the spineless turds that support him by their silence.

[arthritisR_US]

47. Absofeckinglutely, K & R!!!

[H2O Man]

50. Thank you!

[calimary]

51. This Catholic stands arm-in-arm with these good folks.

[calimary]

52. This Catholic stands arm-in-arm with these good folks.

Thanks for posting this one, H2O Man!

[H2O Man]

53. Thank you, calimary!

[malthaussen]

55. Any comment I could make would be blasphemous...

... and I'm an atheist.

I think that in Mr Trump's head, he is not King of the Jews, or even King of the Universe. He IS the universe.

As for the anti-Jewish remarks, SSDD. Your correspondent is certainly right, but it is no more urgent to take action now than it ever was. Or rather, no less.

-- Mal

[lambchopp59]

56. Signed, sharing link

Evoluciona ya, imbéciles del MAGA.

[BlancheSplanchnik]

57. Signed and shared on Facebook.

I actually had to block a friend who got extremely overwrought when I posted the video showing the horrible conditions at the “facilities” at the border with commentary about concentration camps. She seemed to believe that I was irresponsibly escalating, bringing up “The Holocaust and how could I!?!?!?”, etc., being Jewish (she is not). She apparently thinks the Holocaust is so sacrosanct that one cannot discuss how events lead up to such a thing.

After three tries to make clear that the present situation is like the *run up* to the Final Solution, not yet the Holocaust itself, and having to tell her not to insult me or others in the discussion, I finally did have to block her.

I’d love to show her that Jews do indeed understand how things unfold!