What are your plans if he wins/steals the 2020 election

[Cyrano]

I know people who are already looking into plans to move to Canada, Israel, and many other places. They see today's America as a dangerous place, -- perhaps as dangerous as Germany in the late 1930s.

Many Europeans (and not only Jews) were in denial about what was happening then. Some left. Most stayed.

Do you have plans as to what you will do if the worst happens?

[Oregon1947]

1. Canada.

[no_hypocrisy]

2. I'd move some of my money now to a Canadian bank then.

You never know what's going to happen post-2020.

[Skittles]

41. f*** that

I will never let a fascist piece of shit run me out of my own country......STAY AND FIGHT

[Atticus]

59. Totally agree. I pledge to be even more outspoken and critical of all things Trump.

I may go to jail, but I won't go to Canada.

[Siwsan]

3. I'm stuck because Canada isn't 'retiree immigration friendly'

I am in very good financial shape and would GLADLY transfer everything to Canadian investments/banks. It's the healthcare issue that's a real problem. I wish there was a type of Medicare 'coordination of benefits' that would mesh with a Canadian private supplemental plan.

So, unfortunately, if he does steal another election I'll just have to bide my time until my health times out. Trust me, I'll be taking no heroic steps to stick around.

[Disaffected]

14. Yes,

Canada is not "retiree friendly" unless you have a considerable amount of money to invest in a business that will provide employment/economic activity (details on the Canada Immigration website).

When you say "healthcare issue", are you referring to availability of healthcare coverage or your own personal health issues as anyone granted permanent resident status is covered by the national healthcare program. If a person has health issues, he/she must demonstrate they have sufficient funds to cover treatment for it for a period of time at which point, if they are permanent residents, they will be covered by the national plan (as I understand it).

Having close relatives already in Canada who can assist in supporting you if need be is also a plus for gaining admittance.

[Siwsan]

16. Unfortunately, it just isn't a viable consideration for me

Which is unfortunate. I'd love to find a place where I could spend as much time, legally, as possible, and then come back here for only as long as necessary. Theoretically, I could live right across the border and cross back over for medical issues. As it is, now, I'm only an hours drive away from 2 border crossings.

But, realistically, I'm just going to hope for a good outcome, next November, and if that doesn't happen, I'll just be biding my time until I make my exit.

[Meadowoak]

27. Macomb County? I used to live there, it's the only place I know

With 2 border crossings within an hour's drive.

[Siwsan]

48. Genesee County

It's about an hour to the Blue Water Bridge and an hour to Detroit/Windsor tunnel and Ambassador Bridge.

[Boomerproud]

4. I have nowhere to go.

nt

[Cyrano]

7. I can't disagree.

If the creature wins/steals the 2020 election, nowhere on Earth will be safe.

Were the entire world to unite against him, he'd launch our entire nuclear arsenal. And it would all be over. We're talking "Mad Max" world at best, or the end of humanity on this planet at worst.

[jcgoldie]

8. "nowhere on Earth will be safe"

This is why climate change makes me so angry. There's no escape.

[KPN]

5. Well, I'm sure in hell not going to abandon my adult kids, and I don't have the resources

to support them elsewhere. But if the three of them decide to get out themselves, my wife and I will gladly go with them -- just about anywhere. I'm thinking Ecuador.

Realistically though: (1) We are going to take him down either via impeachment or the 2020 election; (2) If he steals the election or invalidates it based on foreign interference, I will grab my pitchfork and join with millions of others to burn him and the GOP down.

[Cyrano]

9. A second Civil War is impossible

The first one had geographic boundaries. There would be no boundaries to a second one. It would be neighbor against neighbor. How does anyone "win" that?

[Efilroft Sul]

18. One dead Nazi neighbor at a time.

[jcgoldie]

6. Zihuatanejo just like Andy and Red

No kidding... sell farm retire early buy fishing boat. Try to make a living taking tourists who want an English speaking captain out for marlin or something.

[lunatica]

28. I spent some time there when I was young

A group of us pitched tents high on the beach. We ate at the local outdoor eatery which was four posts and a thatched roof on the beach. We watched the fishermen bring our daily food. There were no hotels or buildings so it was wonderfully wild. When we arrived we phoned home at the one place in the little town that had a telephone which was set over a hill away from the beach. You stood in line to tell someone the number you wanted to call and then waited for them to tell you when your call was connected.

We had a wonderful time!

[sinkingfeeling]

10. Leaving for good.

[Cyrano]

13. Okay. I understand.

[Initech]

11. No if things go well I should be a full time university student.

So I won't be able to go anywhere until after graduation but that should open up a whole lot of possibilities for me.

[KatyMan]

12. Mrs and I

Are already dual Irish/US citizens, and have lived over there before, so that's an option. Having EU citizenship is nice. Spain maybe? Ireland?

[sarisataka]

15. I will nod in agreement

With the bowl of petunias falling past my window.

They I will get dressed and go to work. Life goes on.

[librechik]

17. both my kids will be living offshore, but Canada sounds good too.

[Amishman]

19. It is not going happen, he is toast. But as a hypothetical...

I'd cash out all of my investments, minimize debt, delete what little online presence I have, and wait for it all to fall apart. I'd try to continue my regular life as much as possible but as quietly and cautiously as possible.

[elocs]

20. Unfortunately the tens of millions of the poor people in the U.S. will have the same plans

they've always had--just trying to survive where they are the best they can.
With the world refugee problem being what it is, how many millions of American refugees would any other country be expected to take?

[virgogal]

40. That makes no sense------many of the present day refugees WANT to come here so there are

certainly worse places.There will be no American refugees-----emigrants maybe,but not refugees.

[Runningdawg]

21. Hoard medical supplies for the civil war

I'm too old to fight, but I will provide medical care for as many as possible until I die.

[redstatebluegirl]

22. My husband is a chemist we plan to go to Canada.

We have already laid the groundwork to go.

[Totally Tunsie]

23. Looks like there's plenty of space in Greenland!

[klook]

30. Yes, and it's getting balmier by the day!

Would we be Danish citizens? Could be nice!

[Totally Tunsie]

37. Can I have a color other than red?

Thinkin' yellow might be nice.

[jberryhill]

54. These are your options

They only stock so many colors of paint...

[HipChick]

24. Already planned to go back to

Europe..
A coming recession may hasten that plan, so plan to watch this madness from afar...

[roamer65]

25. Not tellin.

[elleng]

26. No plans; would move to another country,

but kids and grandkids keep me here.

IF things work out well (including UK/Brexit,) would like to visit Ireland and Scotland.

[johnp3907]

29. Carry on.

This county is gonna need all the punk rockers it can get!

[maryellen99]

31. Delete all social media nt

[uponit7771]

32. *** IF ?!?! *** ... I plan to protest locally and in DC

[Stuart G]

33. He won't

[John Fante]

34. He's not winning.

[lunatica]

35. I can move back to Mexico.

I would be quite happy there. I seriously considered it when I retired. The only thing that held me back was that I’m single and a senior citizen which is how I want to be.

People from Mexico understand what I mean. I’m obviously an older gringa so there could be people who would think they can take advantage of that. Gringos aren’t thought too highly of. With reason.

[virgogal]

36. Stay put.

[DinahMoeHum]

38. Probably leave the country for awhile. . .

. . .find some other friends and go sailing throughout the Mediterranean, or the Caribbean. If the worst happens, will seek asylum.

Theoretical, hopefully.

[Doremus]

39. For years I keep thinking I'll apply for hubby's Italian citizenship

He's entitled to it vis a vis his grandparents. Trouble is it requires mucha time and effort to find correct documents, file correct forms, jump through correct hoops, etc.

I also don't know where we'd settle in the EU. It would be nice to have a backup exit plan if it became necessary.

[Nevermypresident]

42. Canada, Mexico etc.

[Doreen]

43. Get ready to be a slave and work even though I

cannot. I am a disabled woman receiving SSDI, get Medicare, and live in subsidized housing. That will all disappear and in order to maybe get some bread and maybe a potato once a week I am going to have to work to the best of my ability. I am happy it will not last long because it WILL kill me. No country in this world would have me just for those reasons above.


There is A LOT of people who can not afford to plan and some of us will just have to hope for a quick death.

How does that sound for planning?

[Newest Reality]

47. Same here in some respects.

Very little income, tent life, not much to eat, getting way too old for this and the cold winters take a hit...

Going home soon is a nice thought It is a peaceful one when there is no retirement, etc. I feel like a runner who has been running on a track for years, but the last quarter-mile is in progress now and the finish line isn't far. Ah! I am good to go, but it won't be to some other country.

Best to you!

[Doreen]

50. It might suck big time but I am also hoping

There are people who are in the same boat ( or lack there of ) to work together to at least not be alone.

Saddly there those who will get into the same situation and hurt others to get what little others might have. I think that scares me the most. I do know of some bridges and empty barns to get cover in.


Best to you also.

[Backseat Driver]

44. DH won't leave, so I'd volunteer to roll bandages

but there are relatives by marriage elsewhere; should I be left alone, I'm fancying a tall, dark, and handsome Latin lover--Te amo bambino, LOL!

In the meantime, I've also been thinking about a side gig - these are pretty plain but can be very creatively painted to just about any theme - been saving up multi-purpose craft supplies for what might be eventualities of need to make or sell; just haven't punched the holes in them yet but I'd suppose some enterprising male crafter would have some great need of these for something or other...Love the smell of incense in the morning.

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[Newest Reality]

45. I wonder how many people

simply assume that they can easily go to another country, especially one that is decent to live in, economically and politically?

There are many criteria that these countries in regards to immigration. If you do not have an advocate or connection/family, and are not a professional or have some viable career that will assure you are able to have income, and you don't have the money to do so, then you are really stuck here in the US. There are invisible walls in that sense.

So, I wonder how many people here can qualify to leave, based on all that?

[Florida Bull]

49. Great point!

The European Union is even going to require visas for American tourists, starting in the next couple years. Europe is not going to let just any American to permanently move in because their preferred presidential candidate lost an election.

[Florida Bull]

46. I think

We need to stick together and save America, anyway. Even if Trump wins a second term, there is a chance we can survive for the 2022 and 2024 elections. If Trump wins re-election, it will be because the next recession has not arrived (or is not noticeable) yet. But, I think a recession in Trump’s second term would be inevitable, and Trump is even worse on economic management than George W. Bush.

With the pendulum swing of presidential elections, we would probably see Kamala Harris or another strong Democrat elected in 2024.

I prefer Trump loses in 2020 anyway. But, a silver lining is he would hurt Republicans down-ballot, which could help prevent Charles Koch’s constitutional convention.

If we have the bad luck of Trump winning re-election, we will absolutely need to retain the House of Representatives. We need more Democratic-leaning voters to care about down-ballot elections!

Defeating Trump is important. But, even if he wins re-election, we cannot lose hope. America is bigger than Trump. I disagree with giving up on our country, it might even strengthen Trump’s power.

[NCjack]

51. Stay here, resist, do what I can to undermine RW. nt

[Backseat Driver]

55. We'll have a "wealth" of opportunties in

NC and OH. Haha, don't be best; be expensive - at about $750 bucks per day to keep asylum seekers, we can do better, yes?

[at140]

52. I heard Costa Rica is nice!

Many Americans live there.

[WheelWalker]

53. Shelter in place. No retreat. No surrender.

[dawg day]

56. He won't win-

Have to believe that.

But if he cheats, or refuses to leave, millions have to go into the streets (peacefully, but loudly).

[4TheArts]

57. Scotland

Late wife and I made immigration plans for Scotland when Reagan was trashing things. Plans altered only because of her illness.
Now I'd simply pick up where that plan left off. Been there often enough to be comfortably blended into 2 or 3 communities in the Hebrides. Would not plan on ever returning.

[lark]

58. We have considered moving to NZ, we have good friends there.

My sister would go with us, but my daughter wouldn't, she and her husband have great jobs and don't want to give them up. i don't know if I could leave her, but I sure don't want to stay in trumplandia and support his war on the USA destruction machine. I am very torn. Also, I don't know if I could work it out with SS, i sit possible to transfer my monthly payments to a bank overseas on a routine basis?

If we do stay we'll be part of the resistance, but both of us have health issues so we wouldn't be good in a street fight. Guess we'll just have to see what happens.

[mnhtnbb]

62. Yes, Social Security will direct deposit your benefits to a bank in New Zealand.

Here is a list of the countries with which Social Security has international direct deposit.

https://www.ssa.gov/deposit/GIS/data/Reports/printable_pdf/IDD%20Web%20Report%20July%202019.pdf

[lark]

70. Good information to have - thank you very much!

Now I just have to talk to our friends about healthcare. Since one of them immigrated from Canada to there 15 years ago, they have dealt with this issue. Of course none of this resolves leaving my kids, which is the thing that would probably keep us here. Just glad we have an option other than to live through this country's armed destruction.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

60. Ecuador, Panama or Malaysia.

It's not that I wouldn't want to live in a country where Trump was president, it's the idea of living in an America where he could be re-elected president that bothers me most.

[FM123]

61. I honestly don't know what I will do.

I hear there are many expats living in Belize, Costa Rica, Panama and it would be such a short flight to Miami to visit family when I missed them....

[nolabear]

63. Resist.

Try to help my kids have a better time of it. Create. Live well. Sing. Laugh. Plant things.

I'll be 65 soon. I'm going to outlive the bastard. He might fuck up this country but there's still good in it, and in the world, and he cannot have my soul.

[mnhtnbb]

64. I just don't know yet. I had told my husband IF he won the first time

that I wanted to go look at moving to Hawaii. Democratic state without a lot of guns and far away from the crazies that support him. When he DID win, I told my husband I was planning our look see trip for early December, and would he go? At that point he said he wasn't moving so there was no point in going to look.

But we had a history. In 2005 when Bush was given 4 more years (I refuse to say re-elected) we decided to take a look at developing a place to go out of the country. Not necessarily to move there permanently, but to have an option to try out.

In 1994 we had gone to look at New Zealand, but my husband didn't like the way he was treated, so we never pursued it.

Anyway, I wanted something tropical. He didn't want to up and move to Canada, although I think he probably could have qualified to set up practice as a psychiatrist. So I started researching tropical places. We went to take a serious look at Belize. While there, I heard about Panama. Went to look at Panama and found a place that was under development by a group of Americans. Boys next door. Only they turned out to be greedy and not willing to listen to their Panamanian attorneys. Got themselves into labor problems and legal issues with property titles.

In the meantime, we both qualified for permanent resident visas in Panama, and I have it stamped in my expired passport. I suspect I could go back to the Panamanian attorney who helped us navigate the whole process and get it reinstated. But do I want to? It would be 15 years later and I'd be alone.

I have an American friend in France who has now been there 10 years and just received his French passport. He lives in Lyon. We were in Lyon in 2017 and I really liked the city. Could I live in France? I don't know. There is a fairly decent ex pat community in Lyon. My French is passable, but I'd definitely need to start taking lessons if I planned to live there permanently. I will be turning 70 in 2021. Do I want to move abroad by myself? I don't know.

If that sack of orange $hit wins,I suppose I might just book a trip to Lyon to stay for a couple of months to try it out. I'd really like to go to Vancouver, BC, but they won't take retirees!

[BlueTsunami2018]

65. If it were that easy for me to pick up and move I'd have done it long ago.

Like most people, I’m stuck here. All you can do is ride it out. If he “wins” again though, the country as we knew it is finished. A 6-3 or 7-2 fascist Supreme Court ends everything. So you’re either going to have to adapt or die.

[AncientGeezer]

66. Pull up my big boy pants like in '16 and make sure everyone

..around me is ok as best I can.
Orange dumpster isn't going to make me leave the U.S.....not going to happen.

[bmbmd]

68. Belize

sounds good to me.

[muntrv]

69. Stay put and join the resistance.