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(22,513 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)applegrove
(118,642 posts)lunasun
(21,646 posts)Yes Nazi salute in 1936 ok because it represented Germany a nation (hmmm) but 1968 not the same per IOC
In his autobiography, Silent Gesture, Smith stated that the gesture was not a "Black Power" salute but rather a "human rights" salute.
The IOC made the 1968 decision on Carlos +Smith
nternational Olympic Committee (IOC) president Avery Brundage deemed it to be a domestic political statement unfit for the apolitical, international forum the Olympic Games were intended to be. In response to their actions, he ordered Smith and Carlos suspended from the US team and banned from the Olympic Village. When the US Olympic Committee refused, Brundage threatened to ban the entire US track team. This threat led to the expulsion of the two athletes from the Games.[11]
A spokesman for the IOC said Smith and Carlos's actions were "a deliberate and violent breach of the fundamental principles of the Olympic spirit."[3] Brundage, who was president of the United States Olympic Committee in 1936, had made no objections against Nazi salutes during the Berlin Olympics. He argued that the Nazi salute, being a national salute at the time, was acceptable in a competition of nations, while the athletes' salute was not of a nation and therefore unacceptable.[12]
Brundage had been accused of being one of the United States' most prominent Nazi sympathisers even after the outbreak of the Second World War,[13][14] and his removal as president of the IOC had been one of the three stated objectives of the Olympic Project for Human Rights
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Olympics_Black_Power_salute
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)Peter Norman, Australian track athlete:
Norman wore a badge on the podium in support of the Olympic Project for Human Rights (OPHR).
After the final, Carlos and Smith had told Norman what they were planning to do during the ceremony. As journalist Martin Flanagan wrote: "They asked Norman if he believed in human rights. He said he did. They asked him if he believed in God. Norman, who came from a Salvation Army background, said he believed strongly in God. We knew that what we were going to do was far greater than any athletic feat. He said, 'I'll stand with you'. Carlos said he expected to see fear in Norman's eyes. He didn't; 'I saw love.'"[10] On the way to the medal ceremony, Norman saw the OPHR badge being worn by Paul Hoffman, a white member of the US Rowing Team, and asked him if he could wear it.[11] It was Norman who suggested that Smith and Carlos share the black gloves used in their salute, after Carlos left his pair at the Olympic Village.[4] This is the reason for Smith raising his right fist, while Carlos raised his left.
- Wikipedia
He was treated awfully when he got back to Australia
GOOD MAN
lunasun
(21,646 posts)Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)sad...he done good that day, but who knew??
Well, now we do!!
lunasun
(21,646 posts)and found this about Norman at Wki just now
When Norman died in 2006, Smith and Carlos were pallbearers at his funeral.[30]
In 2012, Australia formally apologized to Norman, with one MP telling Parliament that Norman's gesture "was a moment of heroism and humility that advanced international awareness of racial inequality.
Of course they realized this as a nation after his death
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/1968_Olympics_Black_Power_salute
aggiesal
(8,914 posts)When Peter Norman passed away
both Carlos & Smith were pallbearers.
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)Race Imboden
RESPECT
Sucha NastyWoman
(2,748 posts)but what is he holding in his hand?
malaise
(268,980 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)It's not their stage. Allowing politics into sports is destructive.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Allowing politics into sports is destructive..."
As well as allowing it into media, into literature, into music, into just about anything other than politics itself. It's just not their stage...
lunatica
(53,410 posts)It is everywhere and 7.7 billion people are affected by politics.