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Written by Paul Rosenberg August 25, 2019
[link:https://www.alternet.org/2019/08/why-are-establishment-dems-afraid-of-the-hard-left/|
As Bitecofer replied, I dont advocate hard left campaigns, thats not what my research argues. She later added that my thesis IS the Beto/Abrams turnout model, not something else. Ideology wasnt the issue she focused on mobilizing base voters was.
Tandens response is both curious and troubling because literally no one argues for hard left campaigns. As retired intelligence analyst James Scaminaci tweeted in the ensuing conversation:
Hard Left is Marxists, Marxist-Leninist, Trotskyists, Leninists, Stalinists, Maoists, Spartacus League, Guevaras. Bernie, AOC, DSA, Warren, FDR aint hard left. If you use HL, you are grossly misinformed about left-wing politics. You might have missed the Cold War.
In short, hard left is a bogeyman term so far as American politics is concerned one meant to put Democrats constantly on the defensive, either cowering or fighting with each other. It recalls the worst days of McCarthyism. Which is why I responded:
More at link
Great question with even better answers.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Most people are neither, so those extreme positions or views are in the minority. No one is afraid of people with extreme positions; most of the those extreme positions will be ignored.
JoeOtterbein
(7,702 posts)We just want what we all have worked so hard to achieve. Like Medicare for All.
Greybnk48
(10,176 posts)demosincebirth
(12,543 posts)Can be made
OnDoutside
(19,969 posts)psyche is ingrained by the 40 years of the Cold War (Reds under the bed), and failure of a communist totalitarian regime. And there's no use saying that it's different to socialism, Americans don't understand that, which leaves the door open for the Republicans to give the Democratic Party a needless kicking.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)right and left have been and are extensively studied by various disciplines.
Political psychologists can explain why some of the people who honestly believe they support progressivism in government hoped Republicans, who are determined to destroy progressivism, would defeat progressive Democrats, were and are even depressed when Democrats are elected. And in an era when elections are won by very thin margins, this is why we, yes, do fear what they are all too capable of doing all over again.
Farmer-Rick
(10,207 posts)They called Hillary and Bill hard left.
The RepubliCONS made up the term to beat up Democratic candidates. It's a right wing talking point.
We are just all liberals with different opinions. The hate filled right and Russian Trolls use the boggy man of the hard left to divide and conquer us.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)not as left as Bernies?
redstatebluegirl
(12,265 posts)who have worked our butts off for the party for 40 plus years, who have voted for Democrats we didn't totally agree with because we knew the alternative stunk to high heaven. We don't have "litmus tests for any candidate". The only one I have is that I require they be a member of the Democratic party longer than a few months.
A lot of this crap is generational.
ProfessorPlum
(11,276 posts)Establishment Democrats are the ones who don't seem to want to change our system of legalized bribery.
Snake Plissken
(4,103 posts)The courts will be packed with right wing filth for the next 40 years.
Sucha NastyWoman
(2,754 posts)These guys aint playin
diva77
(7,654 posts)guesses. I am unable to access the full article and have not read her "methods" - but in an interview I watched, she never mentioned accounting for election fraud.
...so pontificating on the behavior of Democrats based on her "predictions" is merely pontificating IMHO.
jalan48
(13,883 posts)msongs
(67,440 posts)colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)Was Eisenhower, Republican, hard left? He had top marginal tax rates of 70/80 percent and more. How do people today think our Interstate Highway System was funded?
From Reagan on, helped subsequently by Fox and other right wing propaganda, all of a sudden high tax rates are crazy far left ideas. So now it is commonplace for middle class people to pay a higher tax rate than Billionaires.
abqtommy
(14,118 posts)Democratic campaigns and turnout are moot. Haven't we seen that? Aren't we concerned? We don't seem to be doing much about it.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)abqtommy
(14,118 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,757 posts)fiduciary responsibilities, there's money to be made by cutting deals. Liberals are a burden because they remind everyone when process is being undermined. And the right wing extremists are a burden because they're only happy if the deals go one way.
Midnight Writer
(21,795 posts)Nixon was a terrible candidate. But we Democrats found someone to challenge him on the far left, and Nixon walked away with 49 states.
Trump must be defeated. Decisively.
I am myself pretty "far left". But we are fighting against fascism here.
We cannot afford to embolden the American oligarchs with another term of Trump and McConnell.
The solution is, of course, to vote enthusiastically for any Democrat on the ballot. At all levels. Get the folk out, talk to your friends and family and co-workers, and give a little money if you can.
I don't agree 100% with any candidate, but this time? If they have a D after their name, they will get my vote.
grantcart
(53,061 posts)Live through a crushing defeat lime that and you learn a lot about this country.
ProfessorPlum
(11,276 posts)and the political landscape has changed quite a bit. In 1972, the country was still riding on the good policies of the New Deal, banking regulations, money didn't equal speech.
Now after 5 decades of bad supreme court decisions that opened the floodgates for corporate takeover of our government, unregulated fraud legalized in the financial sector, and environmental blight creeping back from the gutting of our environmental protections, the public is quite literally crying out for a change, and a return to FDR-like policies that made our country a better place to live, work, raise a family, and die.
Joe941
(2,848 posts)wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)Everything he says he has a plan for there is no plan. Just him yelling at you about what the problem is. Then he comes up with a unrealistic solution like getting rid of all cars and planes and trains on some certain date he comes up with.
Why intelligent people dont use critical thinking in relation to his campaign I fail to understand. I guess he is a pied piper and his followers are the children.
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)not progressive and a closer look at his record shows racism and anti-semitism permeated his policies.
It is time that the left stop adulating FDR.
If you insist on doing so, at least provide a caveat acknowledging the lethal harm his racism and anti-semitism did during his presidency despite his policies helping white people.
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As president, Roosevelt is widely celebrated by American progressives for fathering the New Deal, which encompassed financial regulations, union rights and a number of social programs. While FDRs extramarital affairs are well known, what is less known is his racist and anti-Semitic worldview and white supremacist loyalties, which contributed to the suffering and death of millions of the most vulnerable people.
https://truthout.org/articles/disrupting-the-myth-of-franklin-d-roosevelt-in-the-age-of-trump-sanders-and-clinton/
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)Bernie and AOC identify as Democratic socialists.
Warren doesn't, and neither did FDR.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)point out that, in contrast to Bernie and AOC, Warren, like FDR, does not identify as a socialist. Plenty of historical political figures did not consider themselves socialists.
I am saying that the comparison is not a favorable one.
I stand by my comment that in light of facts about FDRs racism, it is time to retire positive references to him.
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)And who in his era would have done a better job?
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)deaths of Jews. I cant be nonchalant about his inaction when he knew about the concentration camps. Any one who was not allied with white supremacists and not an extreme anti-Semitic whose policies reflected his ideology would have been better.
You can not have read the article or the many others about FDR and shrug your shoulders.
I will call it a night.
pnwmom
(108,991 posts)I don't know what OP you're talking about, but it's not the one here.
emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)I remarked on a comparison you made. Enough.
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UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)emmaverybo
(8,144 posts)I linked to is about FDRs virulent anti-semitism and racism affecting many policies, not only
Europe and America. No excuses on the basis of era or The American People suffice to cover for
FDRs active role in policies that cost not a few lives, but hundreds of thousands.
JI7
(89,264 posts)Capitalism.
democrank
(11,103 posts)Kurt V.
(5,624 posts)JI7
(89,264 posts)these were conservative leaning states. but a man that ran on gun control, lgbt rights, support of impeachment of Trump came within 2 points. even though he himself did not win many democrats down ballot won.
same with Stacey Abrams. a black women in the deep south AND her election was stolen by the asshole running against her.
but democrats still won down ballot including winning the seat once held by Gingrich.
stonecutter357
(12,697 posts)pecosbob
(7,543 posts)When was the last time anyone even saw a Little Red Book? Ninety percent of Americans would not recognize the Internationale if played for them. Seventy years of red-baiting have so skewed American politics and perspective that most can't tell up from down.
Anyone that considers any of the current Democratic candidates for president to be of the far-left needs to go back to school and unlearn all the crap that's been force-fed to them for all their lives.
qazplm135
(7,447 posts)lol
You missed "neoliberal" and "centrist"
ChazII
(6,206 posts)Proud Liberal Dem
(24,437 posts)Republicans can be as spun out right-wing as they want, but Democrats are repeatedly cautioned to ignore or sideline progressives like AOC lest they become unelectable to "middle-of-the-road Americans (whom I'm not sure care as much as pundits claim they do). Republicans, however, can be as anti-immigrant, anti-POC, anti-poor, etc. and they are repeatedly elected and re-elected without consequences but the instant we have Democrats argue for universal health care, argue for sensible gun restrictions, argue for measures to help combat climate change, argue for reproductive choice and against draconian anti-choice measures, suddenly, they're getting "too extreme" and won't be elected. Although what we've seen in practice often suggests that, in their rush to avoid a HL label, many Democrats, especially in more Red States, openly denounce progressives and veer too far to the right to compensate, often with disastrous results (i.e. Claire McCaskill being my favorite example).
ananda
(28,876 posts)They are the kind of people who used to be Republicans.
UniteFightBack
(8,231 posts)SidDithers
(44,228 posts)Drink!
Sid