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MissMillie

(38,556 posts)
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 12:12 PM Aug 2019

Mistaken identity as a defense?????

The dozen people that have been charged in the shooting of David Ortiz are saying it was a case of mistaken identity.

So... that means they intended to kill someone else? How the hell is THAT okay?

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Mistaken identity as a defense????? (Original Post) MissMillie Aug 2019 OP
it's not qazplm135 Aug 2019 #1
Yup, that's the claim. Igel Aug 2019 #2
If the identity of the person was relevant Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #4
It's not. Ms. Toad Aug 2019 #3
Under the old common law, it's no defense: the intent to harm someone is malice, and if you harm struggle4progress Aug 2019 #5

qazplm135

(7,447 posts)
1. it's not
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 12:16 PM
Aug 2019

but when they are in jail maybe it keeps them from being killed in retribution...or so they hope.

Igel

(35,300 posts)
2. Yup, that's the claim.
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 05:53 PM
Aug 2019

They wanted to kill a certain person, and they matched up that person with David Ortiz's face and body.

They hit the body that they aimed at.

It makes "intent" difficult. Sort of like when a sniper aims and kills somebody, then says it was a mistake. Detractors say, "No mistake, you aimed and killed that person intentionally." But the sniper's response is, "I intended to kill a person, I thought I was aiming that that person, but it was the wrong person."

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
4. If the identity of the person was relevant
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 06:23 PM
Aug 2019

as an element of the crime, then transferred intent applies - to prevent the very result you suggested.

Ms. Toad

(34,069 posts)
3. It's not.
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 06:22 PM
Aug 2019

If the identity of the person was part of the crime (e.g. you have to establish they had a definite intent to kill a specific person and a scheme to carry it out), but you kill the wrong person, transferred intent applies. (This is generally aggravated murder or 1st degree murder)

If the identity of the person is not at issue (i.e all you have to prove is tha tyou intentinoally killed a person (any person), then you don't even need transferred intent - since the identity is irrelevant. (In Ohio simple murder; other places likely 2nd degree murder)

struggle4progress

(118,282 posts)
5. Under the old common law, it's no defense: the intent to harm someone is malice, and if you harm
Mon Aug 26, 2019, 06:25 PM
Aug 2019

someone else that's a blatant act

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