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TexasTowelie

(112,150 posts)
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 02:41 AM Aug 2019

The Log Cabin is on fire




I am hard pressed to understand the Log Cabin Republicans’ endorsement of Trump for President in 2020. Of course, to be honest, I am hard pressed to understand the Log Cabin Republicans at all. That any group of LGBTQ people who supports a party with platforms as blatantly homophobic and transphobic as the Republican Party is mind-boggling.

Based on conversations I have had with Log Cabin Republicans — and, granted, it’s been awhile since I have spoken with any of them — they live in a bubble of cognitive dissonance, where they boast they can “change the party from within.”

That might be believable if they were actually welcomed into the party. But they are consistently and vehemently excluded from exhibiting at GOP conventions, and their suggestions to soften party anti-LGBTQ rhetoric are ignored.

I have tried to get into the mind of a gay Republican, but I am afraid it will take someone with professional credentials to fathom that degree of disconnect from reality. At best, they are pushing for a lost cause, and at worst, they are delusional.

Read more: https://dallasvoice.com/the-log-cabin-is-on-fire/
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mr_lebowski

(33,643 posts)
1. Sexual orientation & political proclivities maybe aren't THAT strongly genetically linked ...
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 03:21 AM
Aug 2019

And I think we're mostly a product of our genes.

The % of gay conservatives is surely lower than % of conservatives in general, but I'd not be too surprised if it's not a vast % difference.

You'd THINK there'd be no gay Cons cause of the Repuke party's obvious disdain for them, but I think genetics are stronger in general, and like I say, may be that there's just not THAT strong a genetic link between the traits of 'liberal' and 'gay'.

In nature, where these things were originally brewed up ... there was a very different type of 'politics' in play in our animal cousin's societies.

Just my personal theory.

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
16. That's what it is -- masochism.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 10:07 AM
Aug 2019

They must get some charge out of being treated like shit. A lot of gay people do have some conservative views, but being conservative doesn’t mean you have to be in the Republican Party sewer. Some people just love a good swift kick in the teeth now and then. The GOP is guaranteed to oblige the Log Cabin people over and over.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
3. They're conservatives. That's all, and it's a huge part of who they are.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 04:02 AM
Aug 2019

Mr Lebowski is right that both are genetically linked, though from what I've read environment is also huge, often far stronger in determining behaviors, even though the basic personality traits remain.

As I'm guessing we see here. LGBT are a very small percentage of the population and easily discriminated against, but probably close to half of them are naturally conservative. Yet most of those clearly prefer to identify and align with the largest group who share their huge cultural issue, and that group maximizes their power from within the great Democratic Party alliance.

But these chose to work for their issues from the right, where in normal times they'd be desperately needed. Support for Trump requires abandoning morals, decency, intellect, though, so I'm guessing Log Cabiners tend to be at least strong conservatives and/or inimical to Democrats/liberals to be able to. No matter what excuses they give.

Behind the Aegis

(53,955 posts)
5. " LGBT are ...probably close to half of them are naturally conservative."
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 04:22 AM
Aug 2019

Anything resembling proof in that assertion?

Behind the Aegis

(53,955 posts)
9. What?
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 04:51 AM
Aug 2019

Are you also backing the claim that almost half of GLBT people are conservative because of genetics?

BTW...that (diversity) is NOT what the colors of the Rainbow flag represent.

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
10. No I am saying that in every group
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 05:04 AM
Aug 2019

there will be a variety of political opinion, and even if the overwhelming majority of LGBTQ people are liberal, there will be some conservatives, as indeed there are African American conservatives.

Behind the Aegis

(53,955 posts)
11. I agree, but that is NOT what the poster to whom I responded is claiming.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 05:08 AM
Aug 2019

In fact that poster and the first are basically claiming that being gay and conservative are tied. WTF?! I have known a few gay conservatives, but they are usually unicorns in my experience. If the conservative parties were not bigoted, would there be more gay conservatives? Who knows. The same could likely be said of any minority group.

crazytown

(7,277 posts)
12. I must admit, I did not read the poster too carefully.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 05:22 AM
Aug 2019

When I got to LGBT are natural conservatives, I skimmed it. LGBTQ as community welcome people who are dealing with self hatred, and coming to terms with bigotry. I also a distinction between reaction reactionary homophobes and more libertarian types, that yearn for a Republican Party that never existed.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
15. Behind, why don't you read about political personalities
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 07:53 AM
Aug 2019

and find out for yourself. The entire human race tends to be basically oriented liberal or conservative by personality, and these basic wirings affect choices made through life. They tend to see moral issues differently, and brains even process information in different orders. When people can be born wired to be left- and right-handed, it shouldn't be too strange to realize that how we think can also be somewhat predetermined. Only somewhat, "nurture" overall seems far stronger. Fascinating subject.

Now, LGBTQ are members of the human race, aren't they? I wasn't insulting LGBTQ by saying some would be wired conservative, and I certainly wasn't saying we have a bunch of rainbow trumpsters in the Democratic Party. It's how we use our brains and the choices that we make, and most LGBTQ choose to vote Democrat regardless of personality type. For good reason.

Of course this means that the words liberal and conservative each have more than one meaning: their neuropsychological personality meaning and the traditional ones as descriptions of sociopolitical behaviors and alignments. They're not the same thing. People with dominant liberal personality, for instance, can and often do align politically conservative because that's what people "like them" in their area do. And when Pew explains that we are all mixtures of opinions from across the spectrum but average out dominant conservative or liberal, this is what they're talking about. Notably, by both definitions, no matter what words pundits use, there is no "moderate" political type -- we're all either liberal or conservative.

* While on the subject, should be accurate and point out that some are defining a third, small personality group called libertarian because some are strikingly different in lacking the altruism both liberals and conservatives feel and have one main principle of personal freedom; for their hardcores, it's reportedly the only principle. Ayn Rand was probably a true example, and Paul Ryan with his draconian economic plan that was far too extreme for today's Republicans in congress (!). They also reportedly tend to have the most analytical minds of all 3 groups, not smarter but a bit more able to avoid being drawn down the wrong path by emotions and leaping to wrong assumptions. Politically, they tend to vote strong economic conservative.

Hope this at least clears up what I meant until you get one of the very intriguing books on this fairly new subject. Some go far beyond this narrow focus to the mass political behaviors and patterns we're all caught up in, super enlightening. Btw, discussion is now smoked-screened with controversy, so you'll see a lot of denial. Self-identified conservatives especially tend not to be flattered by what researchers report about them, to put it mildly it doesn't fit their self image. Speaking of, it helps explain how many in academia can sincerely self identify as liberals but sound a lot more like conservatives when talking about liberals. Getting a PhD doesn't require a talent for self awareness.

Behind the Aegis

(53,955 posts)
4. Meh.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 04:20 AM
Aug 2019

Frankly, it is no different than any other minority group which has conservatives in its ranks. To me, it seems stories like this, when outside of the LGBT community, are nothing but fodder for homophobes who correctly identify being Republican as a choice, and ignorantly, and bigotedly, think being gay is just another "choice" made.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
6. LGBTQ folks can be brainwashed into the cult the same as any others.
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 04:26 AM
Aug 2019

No matter who one is, if you have genetic or learned leanings toward America's "conservatism", it's quite easy to fall into the cesspool of hard-right dogma on Faux News and talk radio or from family or coworkers.

After a few years, they're just cookie-cutter Rethugs.....

Mike Nelson

(9,953 posts)
7. This is a sad...
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 04:30 AM
Aug 2019

... group. There are also small groups of other traditionally Democratic people. The "Log Cabin Republicans" get too much attention... I used to think these people, especially "Black Republican" groups, had some hope the Party would get back to its Liberal Democratic/Progressive roots... but, in the era of Trump, there is no excuse for any of these people to be around. The "Log Cabin" group should stick with their Democratic brothers and sisters, even if they are not being targeted... and the ARE... the Deplorables would not hesitate to take away marriage rights and are even working to get employers to fire them for being Gay. The "Log Cabin" people should be ashamed....

Cosmocat

(14,564 posts)
13. It isnt just them by any stretch
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 05:34 AM
Aug 2019

Hell, how a teacher or anyone in a union could be an R. The party takes a raging shit on an endless range of genders, backgrounds, professions, categories, etc.

Past white billionaire christian fundamentalists, not sure there is anyone who doesn't have their interests relentlessly attacked by their personal party.

Johnny2X2X

(19,060 posts)
17. Mike Pence supports torturing gay people
Tue Aug 27, 2019, 10:36 AM
Aug 2019

These people are the worst, they are supporting the worst president in modern times for gay rights who has a VP that supports literal torture conversion therapy for homosexuals. Mike Pence would strap all of them in a chair and place electrodes on their fingers that administer a painful shock when images of homosexuality are shown.

They're literally supporting their own torture.

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