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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsVery disheartening exchange on Facebook with a family member...
I post a lot of political discussions on Facebook, and generally I get very positive feedback. But this exchange, with a brother-in-law, really bummed me out. I deleted his name (because I am not looking to publicly humiliate him). Here's a graphic of the exchange...
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)she tries to distract him from voting on election day, sometimes it works, sometimes it doesn't
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts)jwirr
(39,215 posts)be fair he was an immigrant who got his citizenship when he married her. Only after working for Bechtel for a while did he turn into a rethug. He and his family in their country were very poor and we were furious.
maryellen99
(3,788 posts)But when someone tries to rebutt it, they say FB isn't for politics.
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts)niyad
(113,284 posts)markpkessinger
(8,395 posts)qanda
(10,422 posts)I would certainly ask him that question. Plus, he really sounds like a true Republican since he wants to control how you use your own personal facebook-- he can post what he wants on his wall and you can post want you want on yours. If he doesn't like it then he can ignore it and move on.
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts)...I've known him for 37 years and have always basically liked him and gotten along with him. Despite the tone of his comment, if you were to meet him, he comes off as a very thoughtful, reasonable guy, even if on the conservative side. I guess I committed the cardinal sin of pointing out that votes have real consequences for real people ...
qanda
(10,422 posts)I would just create a group that excludes him when you post about political things especially if it's a relationship that you value.
scheming daemons
(25,487 posts)I HATE that people, mostly on the right, use Facebook as a political platform to browbeat those of us that disagree with them.
Facebook should be a place where you can keep up with friends and family and I absolutely leave politics out of my Facebook postings.
I disagree with your brother in law's politics, but I agree with him that Facebook should be a refuge from political rants.
rfranklin
(13,200 posts)The fact that most of it is drivel and lunatic rants is just an indication of what goes through our collective mind most of the time.
gollygee
(22,336 posts)I really think we have to counter it. Social media sites are powerful these days and there are still enough undecided voters to swing the election. Not saying anything and leaving it to them is IMO dangerous.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)Refuge?! How can there be ANY refuge when so much is at risk!
I don't come here to read rants, news, and learn just for the heck of it - I want to change the world for the better and that must include any attempt to change my friends and relatives' opinions.
I am lord of My own FB page and I find it offensive that anyone should tell me what I should or should not post. (Of course, I would never post obscene crap.) If people don't like my political rants, they can take a hike...and they have. I've also de-friended rethugs when I've found them out and have had no success trying to educate them.
This keeps me happy!!
You can do as You like on Your Page.
nc4bo
(17,651 posts)YOU can do as YOU wish on YOUR page. If he or anyone else can't deal, either unfriend, tell him to mind his own page and stay off yours or you can change your settings to hide your stuff from certain individuals.
Cha
(297,196 posts)of fb? Especially, in this most important Election Season?
My son is on fb and is always posting positive Pres Obama stuff. YAY.
I said much the same above... before reading your post.
Fresh_Start
(11,330 posts)if he does, he's a hypocrit.
Otherwise, tell him to ignore what he wants but you are communicating with a larger group of individuals.
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts)Except to "Like" Mitt Romney's page and stuff like that. I just changed my privacy settings so he no longer sees my updates. Probably better that way.
larkrake
(1,674 posts)the willfully ignorant and dems I keep, the teabaggers I taunt and the repugs I sympathize with-their party is gone.
antigop
(12,778 posts)That's what it looks like to me....but I'd like to know why they don't have an answer.
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts)TalkingDog
(9,001 posts)Just tell him he is free to block your news stream and you won't be offended. But FB is a public forum and as such you will discuss anything you feel you and your friends (YOUR FRIENDS, NOT HIS) find relevant, interesting or important.
Most of the threads on my FB page are political stories. Not just from me, but from the group of people I choose to associate with. If I am friends with an asshat who I like in spite of their political leanings, I just block their feed.
Or you can set up groups of people to see your posts and the rest of your friends won't see it. But be careful if you send out a status that you want everybody to see, you'll need to set it back to the original setting.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Hearing that a lot lately from righties.
Wonder why.
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts)... BTW, I followed up with a rather snarky status update that read as follows:
I have been duly reprimanded. From now on, I'll post nothing that is any more substantive than what I ate for lunch.
WilliamPitt
(58,179 posts)Truth is needed. All medicine tastes bad.
antigop
(12,778 posts)markpkessinger
(8,395 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)I want you to know I was trying to give constructive criticism, and I meant nothing but good intentions. Something went terribly wrong.
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts)... I will concede the tone of my FB post was a bit sharp. And I understand where you are coming from, and appreciate the constructive advice. Typically, and historically, I have been much, much more patient with stuff like this. But I also know this about my family: they are really, really good at not seeing that which they don't want to see -- that which challenges their worldview, etc.
A little background: I come from a family five generations of which were active in local Republican politics. But my forebears, including my late father, were a very different breed from modern Republicans. They actually believed in a commons. An example: in my hometown in PA, up until the 1940s, most of the wells in town had been contaminated by a tannery that had existed in the 19th C. My grandfather built his house and his business on the site where the tannery had stood. His father, my great grandfather, owned a large parcel of mountain land a couple of miles away that had a very productive spring with terrific, potable water. So my great grandfather donated the land, with the spring, for use by the town and a neighboring village. My grandfather designed a reservoir and delivery system (the spring was at enough of an elevation relative to the town that the whole thing could operate purely as a gravity based system, providing amble pressure for homes, without any need for pumps or other mechanical assistance.. The system remains in use to this day. My grandfather then set up a local water authority, a joint municipal agency, consisting of folks from both my hometown and the neighboring village that also used the system, to manage the system. Similarly, my father was instrumental in pushing the town to abandon septic tank systems and to build a central sewage treatment plant. He also served many terms on borough council, and was always involved in trying to do things that would better the community. Today, of course, they would be accused of being "Socialists" or something.
Now, with me and my four siblings, we're all over the map politically. My oldest sister and I (I am the youngest, she is 62 and I am 51) are the two lefties in the family, and indeed share a similar temperament. Sister #2 has gone off the deep end in to batshit crazy Tea Party land. Sister #3 (the one married to the brother-in-law I had the FB exchange with) is conservative by nature, but politically she is more liberal than she thinks (she is a public school teacher). Her conservatism isn't really ideological -- it's more cultural and habitual. She's very traditional in her preferences (although accepting of nontraditional lifestyles). But you can reason with her; she is intelligent and is willing to entertain alternative viewpoints. My brother is a small businessman, also temperamentally conservative, but he, too, will listen to reason and can often be persuaded. Sister #3 and my brother both still live in the town in which we grew up. And then there's me: the youngest, gay, and who lives in the big, bad city of New York.
So here's the thing: my conservative siblings and in-laws, when asked about some of the extreme rhetoric and positions coming out of the GOP, will say they disagree with those extremes. All well and good. But they still think this is our father's GOP: the party of Eisenhower. They are in complete and total denial about what is going on with the Republican Party. Sure, they claim to be supportive of me, their gay brother, even making sure I know that anybody I happen to be dating or seeing is welcome to come along anytime for family visits. I appreciate that -- I really do. Yet, when they get into the voting booth, the GOP's virulently anti-gay stance never factors into their thinking. Nor does its economic/social malfeasance. Meanwhile, none of us are rich, and in various ways we've all suffered (as has most of the middle class) as a result of GOP policies. So what I have been trying to do of late is to give them a bit of a wake up call: to try to get them to see that their vote has real consequences for real people: people they know and love even. I have resorted, of late, to laying things out in very stark, personal terms, because the honey approach, which I used with them for many, many years, simply hasn't worked (and because my own reserves of sweetness have just about been tapped).
But, clearly, my vinegar isn't working any better than my honey did. <sigh>
antigop
(12,778 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)lapislzi
(5,762 posts)It's my goddamn Facebook page and I'll post what I feel like posting. If you don't like it, you can:
1. Fuck off.
2. Hide my feed.
3. Unfriend me.
My ultra-right tea party cousin and I have an unspoken agreement that we will simply not comment on each other's political posts. It is how we remain friends.
Duppers
(28,120 posts)You tell 'em.
avebury
(10,952 posts)When I looked at his political Face Book page and saw who he had friended, he lost my vote. I would never vote for anybody connected to one extreme fruitcake who is in our State House.
I mentioned this to some friends at work and they had never thought of looking at a Candidate's Face Book page when decided whom to vote for. I pointed out that it is one more place to gather information on candidates.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Your post was kind of too antagonistic for facebook. You went beyond swiping Romney & Ryan to swiping your republican fb friends, which was too far.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)"Thrown under the bus" is the OP's own words. Your argument is circular.
As to your question are they really your "friends", well, each of us has to decide whether we want to keep republican voters on our facebook list, or delete them just for planning to vote republican. Republican family members are a different beast altogether.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)But nobody likes to be accused of being a bad person because of the way they vote. It won`t persuade anybody.
antigop
(12,778 posts)Quantess
(27,630 posts)But in a persuasive way. I it is all worthless if it does not persuade.
Like the old saying about honey attracting more flies than vinegar.
Strangers, random teabagger schlubs do not apply here, with what I am trying to say. This is about treading a delicate line with famiily, friends and acquaintances.
Anyway, thank you for having a reasonable and polite discussion with me. I appreciate it.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Mark's post was mild, and who are you to determine what is too antagonistic for facebook? Swiping Repukes is too far? Keep posting about this Q it is getting interesting.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)I have some questions about your reading comprehension. If you will please refer back to my post, you will see that I wrote that swiping friends and family who plan to vote republican is going too far. And in my opinion, it is!
Do what you want, but you risk alienating people you supposedly care about over politics.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)Oh and BTW, I don't care about any Repukes so my risk there is zilch. I could break this down further but you are not worth chatting with. Bye.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)the words remain on the page for all to see, which makes it pretty difficult to twist someone's words around. Everyone who reads this interaction will see that you misread what I wrote, and then you refused to acknowledge that your poor reading comprehension caused you to lash out at me.
You can always save face by self-deleting your posts, since you refuse to apologize for your mischaracterization of what I wrote.
HangOnKids
(4,291 posts)My reading comprehension is fine, in fact it is so great that I know that reading anything from you is a waste of time. Don't bother replying, I'm adding you to the list of people I don't care for on DU.
Quantess
(27,630 posts)Last edited Fri Aug 31, 2012, 09:26 PM - Edit history (2)
What a bizzarre argument you started with me, and for what reason, I have no idea. And for what? Facebook? How petty!
Anyway, this is beyond stupid. Goodnight.
Edit to add: What a weird exchange. I have had no previous exchange with Hang On Kids before, none that I can remember anyway. But this person starts out on the offensive, over a really trivial subject, Facebook. And hangs on like a pit bull to a stick.
librechik
(30,674 posts)anybody who disagrees with their batshit crazy birther trickledown beliefs and says it out loud reasonably and civilly. Then we get the screaming shut down from the other side.
DefenseLawyer
(11,101 posts)antigop
(12,778 posts)LibertyLover
(4,788 posts)post a lot of garbage on FB about conservative politics and politicians. They (heart) Romney and Ryan. One posted a comment from Glenn Beck about how great Romney's acceptance speech was. Sometimes I'll post a response and they get mad that I've said anything. Tough luck cuz - I changed your damned diapers. Another friend has been posting pictures and comments from Michele Malkin. Those I ignore. A few weeks ago her husband posted some stupid shit reference about a provision in the ACA and when I called him on it after having checked the reference and found that, surprise, it didn't say what he alleged at all, he got snippy and said that in his copious free spare time he'd check the reference - meaning of course that he never did get back to me. I rarely post about politics, but I will respond if I am annoyed enough. The Republicans and conservatives in my "Friends" list get annoyed that someone doesn't agree with them, but oh well, too bad.
deaniac21
(6,747 posts)reply by your brother-in-law.
markpkessinger
(8,395 posts)First, thank you to all who offered their thoughts on my original post in this thread. I thought all weekend about whether, and how, to respond to my brother-in-law's comment to my status update. Ultimately, I decided to send the following message to him:
I am sorry my status update from a few days ago offended you. It wasnt my intent to offend, but since you obviously were offended, I immediately deleted the status update. Still, I dont want to simply not respond to your comment.
I have given a great deal of thought to this over the last several days. In looking back on it, I realize that the tone of my post was needlessly sharp and pointed. I could have made my point in a much less barbed manner. I could have, and should have, taken greater care in crafting it in a way that was more sensitive. I apologize for the fact that I did not take such care, and will try to be sure to do so going forward.
To be clear, though, I have never remotely suggested that people dont have the right to vote as they wish. I am sorry that you see my posts as rants and raves; from many other people, the response I get to my posts is an appreciation for the care and thoughtfulness I try to bring to the issues I discuss. But if you see them as nothing more than rants and raves, so be it. I am sorry also, and rather disappointed, that a discussion of how a given candidates proposals would have a negative impact on me personally is something you find irrelevant to your political thinking, but again, so be it. I accept that.
As to your suggestion that my political postings are somehow contrary to the purpose of Facebook, on that point Im afraid we will simply have to agree to disagree. Facebook is an open-ended communications and media-sharing forum. It is for whatever its users decide to use it for, within the bounds of its Terms of Service. It is one thing to declare a mutual moratorium on political discussions in certain real-time social situations such as family gatherings. It is quite another to suggest that an entire category of discussion is inappropriate in the context of a semi-public forum on which postings of that category are a regular and common feature, merely because it is a category you dont generally address in that forum. Going forward, I will refrain from making pointed references to family in political posts, but I will not refrain from discussing politics in a semi-public, non-topic-based forum such as Facebook, nor do I think it is at all reasonable to expect me to do so.
I hope we can go forward without hard feelings on this. There are certainly none as far as I am concerned.
stopbush
(24,396 posts)Of course, RWers on FB like to "socialize" back and forth by calling President Obama names, questioning his citizenship etc. They then send their anti-Obama "socializing" off to EVERYBODY who's linked to their FB account.
It's not political. They're just socializing.