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Central Florida.
First point to make is that this is a slow moving hurricane, which means that it will be worse than the Charlie and Francis hurricane that blew over quickly. And they did cause a great deal of damage with high winds.
For Dorian, my heart goes out to those on the east coast that will take the brunt of this storm. No way to soft pedal this, they need all the help they can get - including prayers. From West Palm to Kissimmee it will be bad if it comes in as a Cat 4. I trust that De Santis and the stormwater experts are on it, looking for the driest areas to house people that need high ground. I believe this is the first 24 hours of the storm, from Monday to Tuesday.
From Kissimmee it will go North through Central Florida. By this time, Dorian will be a Cat 1, so very few concerns about wind damage, but huge worries with flooding. The part that caught my eye is that it will take 24 hours to get through Central Florida. If so, I know that every Stormwater expert that has ever worked in a local or state government is shitting their pants. People, local government has cut corners on wetland development for so long that they all feared heavy rains over a short period of time. They know what the projections looked like on paper, and we didn't have strong government to toe the line on sensible growth. Instead, we had anti-government, anti-regulation control of state law for several decades and now we are about to see if their strategies will hold.
I do remember speaking to one community developer who I had little respect for, but even he was alarmed when he said that they were pushing the 100 year flood zone levels to reach your door step. That means, your front yard, play ground and swimming pool can be under water, and it would still meet standards.
The natural progression of bad community development came to a hilt last year when there was a quiet announcement that everyone in Florida should get flooding insurance. Though they might not refer to it as flooding. Something like backwater flow.
It's a little late, but I hope that Dorian reopens the door to revisiting the stupid roll backs on community development that we had to endure in the 90s.
Lochloosa
(16,064 posts)On a dry day. It's going to be bad.
Just covered up swamp land.
Wellstone ruled
(34,661 posts)message tells the real story. When the Groves were bulldozed and one could see the natural drainage pattern,you just knew trouble was ahead. Those fancy lagoons were sold as Retention Ponds in the Developers Perspective Paper work. But,they suckered people into buying those homes around these ponds and like most folks,they had zero clue as to what would happen in a major Rain Fall event.
jpak
(41,757 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,704 posts)This might turn into one of those big I FUCKING TOLD YOU SO's. Lots of stormwater experts, but no will from state government. The dismantling of the state department, DCA?, was a major step backwards.
If I had to add a skeptic add-in, the DCA had the plans for the original development concepts to many Super developments. So, it provided a huge inconvenience for the lying sack of shit good ole boys in our local governments who insisted that they no longer had the plans. Lost in the last move.
jpak
(41,757 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)BUT....
The idiom is TOE the line, not TOW the line.
https://grammarist.com/usage/toe-the-line/
Sorry, but that drives me nuts.
Also, "when there was a quiet announcement", not "their".
I'm in Jacksonville, where it is pouring right now and we wait to see how the weekend goes. I'm making ice and will begin filling containers with water later today.
There is a creek/gully about 100 yards away which could flood the main road 2 blocks away and I am about 1200' from an arm of the St. Johns. The bottom of the driveway is about 12' above sea level, so it would have to be a catastrophic storm surge/high tide/prolonged rain event type situation for my front yard to be underwater.
Baitball Blogger
(46,704 posts)Though I caught the "their" misspelling. The other one was a definite grammar fail.
We learned about Jacksonville's basin problem with that last hurricane. Hurricane came up one side of the state, but the water drained on the other. Stay safe!
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)I haul US Mail, so it is possible I'll get a trip out of town tomorrow, but my older brother lives with me and he'll be here to look after things.
The first place I rented when I moved here 7 years ago (wow! Time flies) was on a tributary of the St. Johns about a mile north of where I sit. It definitely floods and during the last big one to affect this area, it came 2/3s of the way up the back yard which is a good 100 yards and a 10' or more rise from the the normal waters edge to the back door of that house. So the highest I ever saw it was about 6 or 8' above the normal height.
We have been fortunate that there have been no electrical failures here during the last 3 that affected us, so I hope that stays the case.
My oldest brother lives in Lake Placid, south of Sebring and that area could get it real bad.
Not much we can do other than be as prepared as possible.
Hunker down and stay safe.
sprinkleeninow
(20,246 posts)Liberal Jesus Freak
(1,451 posts)A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)Thanks, hon. Hope you're well!
A HERETIC I AM
(24,368 posts)On my phone now and headed out, but check the NOAA site.
They now have it turning north once it comes ashore and going right up the center of the state.
Baitball Blogger
(46,704 posts)BTW, it sounds like the European model that was projected a few days back.
Baclava
(12,047 posts)Baitball Blogger
(46,704 posts)Baclava
(12,047 posts)This one is nothing to mess around with, its getting more organized by the hour, think Andrew
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Roland99
(53,342 posts)Its still just grass and weeds. The owner recently cleared it about a year ago but has sat undeveloped since. Curious to see how the fill does after this
Leghorn21
(13,524 posts)I knew none of this - appreciate your expertise -
Baitball Blogger
(46,704 posts)Thank you so much!