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TNNurse

(6,926 posts)
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 04:02 PM Sep 2019

Hell

I did not really believe there was a literal Hell. Then this administration made me long for it to exist.

Now, I believe there are people who are too evil to even be let into Hell.

How, horrible these Trump people are. Never thought I would see so many people whore themselves out to such an ignorant, petty little man.

Glad my dear Democratic mother did not live to see this.

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The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
1. In Dante's version the lowest circle of Hell is reserved for traitors.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 04:05 PM
Sep 2019
At the base of the well, Dante finds himself within a large frozen lake: Cocytus, the Ninth Circle of Hell. Trapped in the ice, each according to his guilt, are punished sinners guilty of treachery against those with whom they had special relationships. The lake of ice is divided into four concentric rings (or "rounds" ) of traitors corresponding, in order of seriousness, to betrayal of family ties, betrayal of community ties, betrayal of guests, and betrayal of lords. This is in contrast to the popular image of Hell as fiery; as Ciardi writes, "The treacheries of these souls were denials of love (which is God) and of all human warmth. Only the remorseless dead center of the ice will serve to express their natures. As they denied God's love, so are they furthest removed from the light and warmth of His Sun. As they denied all human ties, so are they bound only by the unyielding ice." This final, deepest level of hell is reserved for traitors, betrayers and oathbreakers (its most famous inmate is Judas Iscariot).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Inferno_(Dante)

The Blue Flower

(5,442 posts)
3. He's the Abomination that causes desolation
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 04:17 PM
Sep 2019

As described in the book of Daniel. Rough times are upon us.

raging moderate

(4,305 posts)
5. '
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 04:20 PM
Sep 2019

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I am glad my Republican mother is not here to see this. She was from the old line Republicans, descended from abolitionists (not famous ones, just humble but true ones).

My mother was so sweet. She couldn't go to college because of the Great Depression, so she gave herself sort of a college education at the public library, reading Descartes and Bertrand Russell and John Stuart Mill. She told me stories about her Methodist great-grandparents who had had Black houseguests sometimes. She loved Martin Luther King and Jesse Jackson, and she would have LOVED Barack Obama.

I will never forget the bewilderment on her face as the Dixiecrats took over the Republican party, as she told me, "I guess I'm voting for the Democrats this year."

Dagstead Bumwood

(3,626 posts)
12. I'm glad my father isn't here to see this, either.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:26 PM
Sep 2019

But, for much different reasons than yours. My father was a died-in-the-wool bigot. He was not a Republican, actually. He stopped voting after this nation refused to elect George Wallace president. No kidding.

When he died, Obama was president, and that must have enraged him (I wouldn't know as we hadn't spoken for years). He would have been a fervent Trump supporter, without a doubt. Probably would have actually gone to the polls to support him. So, I'm glad he never got to see him elected and (gag) enjoy it.

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
14. You left out the important clause: it would be but a second *to God*. To mankind...
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 08:32 PM
Sep 2019

...a billion years is a billion years.

japple

(9,824 posts)
8. I, too, am glad my parents did not live to see this. They were both WWII vets,
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:31 PM
Sep 2019

and were progressive, forward-thinking Democrats descended from poor cotton-picking families. I guess they thought they saw the end of the ridiculous GOP with Nixon & Reagan. They would both die again over this travesty.

Karadeniz

(22,513 posts)
9. Like you, I didn't believe in hell. It wasn't in my experience. But I've learned there were lots
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 06:53 PM
Sep 2019

of things not in my experience. The hells is one of them. Trump Will probably find himself there. Even the first heaven will not tolerate a Mind that thinks only of itself, attempts to manipulate others. Where we can feel sorry for trump is for his life review. Mine isn't going to be fun, but his is going to be brutal. He'll have to experience every pain he caused. He'll have to take responsibility for everything he's said, as well as for the ramifications of his rants...think of all the people killed and how their families were affected by shooters who were validated by Trump's white supremacy messaging. His life review will be raw and I can't see him taking responsibility...and that will send him to a dark, lonely, cold place to think about things. He'll be visited by light bearers from time to time, but I expect millenia will pass before he wants to confront his ills and work out a way to pay off his debt. Incarceration on earth would be a cake walk compared to when he's up against a Law he can't scam.

JoeOtterbein

(7,700 posts)
11. Evil people have always created hell on earth for others.
Mon Sep 16, 2019, 07:30 PM
Sep 2019

I've heard that there were at least 8 different lines of early humans. Only one survived. I often wonder what happened to the others and can only conclude that we killed, and raped, them into extinction. Evil modern humans have been all too happy to continue to create hell for others ever since.

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