Welcome to DU! The truly grassroots left-of-center political community where regular people, not algorithms, drive the discussions and set the standards. Join the community: Create a free account Support DU (and get rid of ads!): Become a Star Member Latest Breaking News General Discussion The DU Lounge All Forums Issue Forums Culture Forums Alliance Forums Region Forums Support Forums Help & Search

Miles Archer

(18,837 posts)
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 12:25 AM Sep 2019

"They threaten Mike every week that they're going to take him off the ticket"

“TRUMP IS ANNOYED PENCE HASN’T BEEN DEFENDING HIM MORE”: IS TRUMP’S LONG-SUFFERING V.P. IN DANGER OF GETTING BOUNCED?

BY GABRIEL SHERMAN
SEPTEMBER 16, 2019

Even by Trumpian standards, the president’s past six weeks have been epically horrendous. The trade war with China is eating away at his central re-election rationale, while his preposterous feud with Alabama weather forecasters, and his inviting the Taliban to Camp David days before the 18th anniversary of 9/11, have renewed questions about his mental fitness and the 25th Amendment. An ABC News–Washington Post poll released last Wednesday showed Joe Biden beating Donald Trump by 15 points—a 5-point jump since July. The drumbeat of negative headlines is causing Trump to lash out. “He cares a lot about polls. I’ve never seen anyone who cares more, frankly,” said a former West Wing official. A prominent Republican close to the White House told me: “You can’t even share one little negative thing with him. If you give him a poll number that’s down, he’ll just go nuts. No one wants to share any bad news.”

In this darkening political environment, Trump and his advisers are debating various Hail Mary strategies that might reset the campaign. One idea being pushed by Jared Kushner and Ivanka Trump, which was first reported by Axios, would be to dump Vice President Mike Pence from the ticket and replace him with former U.N. ambassador Nikki Haley. “They threaten Mike every week that they’re going to take him off the ticket,” a Republican in touch with Pence’s camp told me. “They tell him, ‘You have to go here and say this, you have to go there and do that.’” (The White House, Pence, and Kushner declined to comment.)

The possible Pence defenestration is being driven by several factors, sources said. One is that Trump’s upside-down poll numbers with women make it imperative that he do something big to improve his standing with female suburban voters. “The political thinking is that while Pence is popular with evangelicals, they won’t have anywhere to go,” the former West Wing official said. It would also give Trump a card to play during the Democrats’ convention next July. “When the Democrats have their big night nominating their candidate, it’s a perfect time for Trump to announce a new running mate,” the former West Wing official said.

But another consideration is Trump’s frustration with Pence. Despite Pence’s obsequiousness, the relationship between the two has never cemented. “Trump sees him as a good Christian man, but in Trump’s mind he thinks that means Mike’s weak,” the Republican close to the White House said. Trump has complained to people that Pence isn’t loyal enough. (For instance, Pence recently refused a request by Kushner to attack former White House communications director turned Trump critic Anthony Scaramucci during a speech at a GOP event at the Naval Observatory, according to a person briefed on the conversation.) “Trump is annoyed Pence hasn’t been defending him more,” a Republican close to the White House said.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/09/is-trumps-long-suffering-vp-in-danger-of-getting-bounced
17 replies = new reply since forum marked as read
Highlight: NoneDon't highlight anything 5 newestHighlight 5 most recent replies

Hekate

(90,674 posts)
1. They keep bringing up Nikki Haley. Is she really that craven, or even politically suicidal?
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 12:30 AM
Sep 2019

One has to wonder.

And Pence should just be like: Do it. Goodbye.

Celerity

(43,341 posts)
11. I think he might boot Pence for Tom Cotton, he will lose nothing with the fundies and Cotton
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 06:46 AM
Sep 2019

is much more intelligent, aggressive, and looks the part of the proverbial Rethug RW soldier/pol (although the soldier part spotlights... BONESPURS) Cotton would be a far more formidable General election Rethug POTUS nominee than the turgid Pence.

Only downside is he is taller than Trump by a fair amount, has BIG hands (roflmaooo) and Rump's ego may not be able to cope.


dalton99a

(81,475 posts)
2. "Black people love me"
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 12:42 AM
Sep 2019
Perhaps the most audacious element of Trump’s strategy reset is his plan to win back black and Hispanic voters. “There’s this myth in Trumpworld that they’ll win 20% of the black vote,” said the Republican close to the White House. “They think with the economy and criminal justice reform, they’ll make it up with black voters in Rust Belt states. Trump tells people, ‘Black people love me.’” On a call with reporters last week, campaign manager Brad Parscale said Trump is improving his poll numbers with Latinos and intends to try to flip New Mexico red in 2020. In 2018, Democrats picked up two congressional seats and defended a third in New Mexico. “Trump thinks he has magical powers,” the Republican said.

Captain Zero

(6,805 posts)
7. Pence could write the book that would convince evangelicals
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 02:32 AM
Sep 2019

Trump is Satan. As long as he has it ready to go when they bump hm off at the convention.

enough

(13,259 posts)
14. I keep thinking something like this could happen.
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 07:50 AM
Sep 2019

All it would take would be a well placed rumor in evangelical circles. That Trump actually is Satan. Could turn things around fast.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
4. I'm guessing he still wouldn't lose Evangelicals because he gave them 2 SCOTUS and says the right
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 01:30 AM
Sep 2019

code words... "religious freedom" and such.

It will be rough for Mike Pence though, if the reason he was brought on was to get their votes and they don't back him up. :p

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
13. haha
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 07:05 AM
Sep 2019

How Donald Trump is it that he would dump his Vice President just so he could steal headlines on the night the Democrats nominate their candidate? So reality TV.

mopinko

(70,091 posts)
16. and dump the only reason most people who dont want to impeach him
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:46 AM
Sep 2019

dont want to impeach him?
but but mike pounce.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
17. So, if Pence is not on the ticket for 2020
Tue Sep 17, 2019, 08:46 AM
Sep 2019

how does that work - does Pence just finish out the term as VP and pack up & go home on inauguration day in January 2021?

What happens if Trump tells Pence he's not on the ticket and Pence quits? A new VP would need to be approved by Nancy Pelosi and the House, no?

Latest Discussions»General Discussion»"They threaten Mike every...