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grantcart

(53,061 posts)
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 09:59 AM Sep 2019

Executive Privledge does not apply for 2 reasons

1) Privledge is not inherent but has to be asserted

2) No Privledge covers legal action

Acting DNI looks like a good guy but he doesn't understand Executive Privledge and was misled

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Executive Privledge does not apply for 2 reasons (Original Post) grantcart Sep 2019 OP
His mistake was going to WhiteHouse Council True Blue American Sep 2019 #1
Nice guy but was way out of his depths grantcart Sep 2019 #2
Trust me, he is not out of his depth here... cynatnite Sep 2019 #4
Even Nunes is arguing with him. True Blue American Sep 2019 #7
He is very unsophisticated on the law grantcart Sep 2019 #12
I would like to agree, but he has long history in DC both as military and civilian... cynatnite Sep 2019 #15
He doesn't have a long history in DC grantcart Sep 2019 #18
He was a vice admiral in the Navy... cynatnite Sep 2019 #19
Not really even a nice guy. True Blue American Sep 2019 #6
No, he knew and he did this anyway. herding cats Sep 2019 #8
His mistake was forgetting the oath he took... cynatnite Sep 2019 #3
Also, executive privilege doesn't cover criminal activity StarfishSaver Sep 2019 #5
Boom! Thank You! MFGsunny Sep 2019 #9
That was point 2 grantcart Sep 2019 #11
That's my understanding of it too. Hope somebody clarifies that during this hearing. 50 Shades Of Blue Sep 2019 #10
Reason 3: privilege cannot be asserted in impeachment proceedings Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #13
At the time he went to the WH Pelosi hadn't articulated the Impeachment move, that came after grantcart Sep 2019 #14
Yes, but he just now refused to answer questions from the committee re: conversations w Trump Fiendish Thingy Sep 2019 #17
There is no "executive privilege" in a whistleblowers complaint. kentuck Sep 2019 #16
I would agree but there is no case law on that question grantcart Sep 2019 #20

True Blue American

(17,995 posts)
1. His mistake was going to WhiteHouse Council
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:01 AM
Sep 2019

Instead of turning the whistle blower report over to Congress. It is up to them to decide if it is credible.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
4. Trust me, he is not out of his depth here...
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:04 AM
Sep 2019

He knew exactly what he was doing. He's career military and has a long history working in DC.

He knew.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
12. He is very unsophisticated on the law
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:25 AM
Sep 2019

Coates picked him when he was working for a charity. I think he is an innocent not a Flynn

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
15. I would like to agree, but he has long history in DC both as military and civilian...
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:31 AM
Sep 2019

He talked about it in his opening statement.

Maguire may not know law that well, but he knew what his obligations were.

He knew damn well he was supposed to turn this complaint over to congress.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
18. He doesn't have a long history in DC
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:41 AM
Sep 2019

He was in the Seals and naval command

He retired in 2007 and worked for Booz Hamilton and the raised money for families of fallen soldiers the last three years.

He isn't a long time insider and way out of his depth, that's why he was chosen, they knew he could be manipulated.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
19. He was a vice admiral in the Navy...
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:45 AM
Sep 2019

You don't get that without spending time in DC. You don't get that without a security clearance.

He also worked in the National Counterterrorism Center which is a part of the DNI.

Another thing: You don't get a job as DNI unless you know your obligations to congress.

You don't accomplish the things he does by being an idiot.

He knew what he was doing.

herding cats

(19,569 posts)
8. No, he knew and he did this anyway.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:07 AM
Sep 2019

He's in this attempted coverup up to his neck and is now trying to make himself look innocent.

Literally, his job was to know this law.

cynatnite

(31,011 posts)
3. His mistake was forgetting the oath he took...
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:03 AM
Sep 2019

to defend the constitution and the laws of the US against all enemies, foreign and domestic.

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
9. Boom! Thank You!
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:16 AM
Sep 2019

Knowledge is power.

Makes me soooooo itchy about all these "acting" positions chosen by MF45.
And this morning Maguire is like the poster child for my discomfort.
Perhaps he's well intended, but incredibly ignorant of the applicable legal concepts.

Does Little Red Riding Hood go to the wolf first to ask if she can check out "granny's story?"

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
11. That was point 2
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:23 AM
Sep 2019

WH isn't going to assert Privledge because if a judge determined it was illegal then his Presidency would be over

Fiendish Thingy

(15,703 posts)
13. Reason 3: privilege cannot be asserted in impeachment proceedings
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:27 AM
Sep 2019

Surprised none of the Democrats on the committee have mentioned this.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
14. At the time he went to the WH Pelosi hadn't articulated the Impeachment move, that came after
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:31 AM
Sep 2019

The release of the transcript

Fiendish Thingy

(15,703 posts)
17. Yes, but he just now refused to answer questions from the committee re: conversations w Trump
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:35 AM
Sep 2019

Saying it might be covered by privilege.

kentuck

(111,111 posts)
16. There is no "executive privilege" in a whistleblowers complaint.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:31 AM
Sep 2019

I would agree.

The DNI should have sent the complaint straight to the Intel Committee.

He was wrong to take it to the White House counsel and the OLC at the DOJ.

That is a point that people need to understand.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
20. I would agree but there is no case law on that question
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:45 AM
Sep 2019

Because we never had a President that was this lawless and had a national security whistleblower complaint. The issue on executive privilege was decided unanimously by US vs Nixon regarding the tapes.

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