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blur256

(979 posts)
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 09:15 PM Sep 2019

Ok maybe I missed it, but why aren't pundits linking this

To Russia? I'm serious. Russia helped trump in 2016. They also took over Crimea which trump doesnt obviously give a shit about. Who doesnt think Putin put Trump on a wild goose chase to now make the new ukranian president look dumb. And try to keep aide from Ukraine to help keep them from defending themselves from Russia. It all stinks to me.

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Ok maybe I missed it, but why aren't pundits linking this (Original Post) blur256 Sep 2019 OP
Wait for it. WheelWalker Sep 2019 #1
Hope so blur256 Sep 2019 #2
Absent some kind of evidence, it's just speculation. And there's SO MUCH here already. NCLefty Sep 2019 #3
Doesnt it make you wonder who else blur256 Sep 2019 #5
I would bet money they were speaking to Saudi Arabia when dewsgirl Sep 2019 #8
Oh me too. blur256 Sep 2019 #10
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Sep 2019 #29
As Rachel suggested in a tweet today..info from May 2018 asiliveandbreathe Sep 2019 #4
Jesus h. blur256 Sep 2019 #6
Jackie Speier drove that point home today...Give the pundits time to catch up, it was a busy day Brother Buzz Sep 2019 #7
Good for her. blur256 Sep 2019 #9
Chris Hayes reported Russian tv announced that VP Pence had cancelled Enoki33 Sep 2019 #11
That is interesting. blur256 Sep 2019 #12
That was a great point he brought up. ecstatic Sep 2019 #15
No shit blur256 Sep 2019 #16
Exactly. Russia wants to pass off its 2016 malfeasance on to Ukraine - double winner winner. MFGsunny Sep 2019 #13
Yep that's what I'm saying. blur256 Sep 2019 #14
Schiff implied this with Rachel. triron Sep 2019 #20
I'm surprised Trump didn't try to pull the 400 million for his wall Meadowoak Sep 2019 #17
No kidding blur256 Sep 2019 #18
Maybe that was the plan, before he got caught. Meadowoak Sep 2019 #28
exactly this shit is as much about Putin as it is about Joe Biden jcgoldie Sep 2019 #19
Yup. Obviously blur256 Sep 2019 #21
Too complicated... DrToast Sep 2019 #22
Fair enough but I still think blur256 Sep 2019 #23
Oh I'm not saying it doesn't DrToast Sep 2019 #25
Totally agree blur256 Sep 2019 #27
Schiff mentioned that the Ukraine gambit was probably designed to deflect from Russia's ancianita Sep 2019 #24
I missed that! blur256 Sep 2019 #26
It's been discussed several times this evening. The Velveteen Ocelot Sep 2019 #30
Good. blur256 Sep 2019 #31
Do the hanky-panky and you turn yourself around... Backseat Driver Sep 2019 #32

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
8. I would bet money they were speaking to Saudi Arabia when
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 09:37 PM
Sep 2019

they tortured and killed Jamal Khashoggi.

Response to blur256 (Reply #10)

asiliveandbreathe

(8,203 posts)
4. As Rachel suggested in a tweet today..info from May 2018
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 09:22 PM
Sep 2019

(Posted earlier....not sure if Rachel will connect the dots tonight).

The last time Ukraine sought US anti-tank missiles, they appear to have believed that the cost of getting those Javelins included...

dropping four Paul Manafort investigations that dovetailed with the Special Counsel's work... and allowing Konstantin Kilimnik to flee to Russia (out of the reach of US law enforcement)."

Enoki33

(1,587 posts)
11. Chris Hayes reported Russian tv announced that VP Pence had cancelled
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 09:41 PM
Sep 2019

his trip to Ukraine days before it was announced here. Seems Putin objected to high level officials attending the new Presidential inauguration there. Perry headed the delegation.

MFGsunny

(2,356 posts)
13. Exactly. Russia wants to pass off its 2016 malfeasance on to Ukraine - double winner winner.
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 09:47 PM
Sep 2019

Pounds Ukraine and goes to Russia's benefit.
Gives Putin "more" reason to abuse Ukraine, literally and figuratively.

OUCH.

Meadowoak

(5,545 posts)
17. I'm surprised Trump didn't try to pull the 400 million for his wall
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:14 PM
Sep 2019

And leave Ukraine defenseless against Russian aggression.

jcgoldie

(11,631 posts)
19. exactly this shit is as much about Putin as it is about Joe Biden
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:35 PM
Sep 2019

Who benefits from playing games with aid to Ukraine?

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
22. Too complicated...
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:55 PM
Sep 2019

The Ukraine story is such a gift.

1) it’s easy to digest. You can explain it in two sentences
2) It’s as bad or worse than anything he has done so far

Focus on that all day long.

DrToast

(6,414 posts)
25. Oh I'm not saying it doesn't
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:58 PM
Sep 2019

You could be right. But I think Ukraine is the best way to pursue impeachment.

ancianita

(36,043 posts)
24. Schiff mentioned that the Ukraine gambit was probably designed to deflect from Russia's
Thu Sep 26, 2019, 10:57 PM
Sep 2019

2016 efforts, or to cover up that the Russian farms also work out of Eastern Ukraine.

So it's at least been mentioned.

It will come up again, no worries.

Backseat Driver

(4,392 posts)
32. Do the hanky-panky and you turn yourself around...
Fri Sep 27, 2019, 01:08 AM
Sep 2019

But then there's been this recently; so easy to gift terrorist, murderous, Saudi fossil-fuel billionnaires with weapons and, more precious, our troops. Kicked us out of Riyad. Better to ask favors and slow-track $$ aid and weapons from what might look to him as a wet-behind-the-ears Zelensky who, apparently, isn't so dumb but who has the gargantuan task of keeping out Russian aggression and corruption capers?

They blamed responsibility-taking Houthi, but offered no proof either to blame Iran? Spilled out our National Emergency Reserves so we didn't get too restless, huh - To what personal quid did they agree to play nice together? Did they go to Jared and bye-bye nasty "Guns for Russia" Bolton?

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/us-to-send-troops-equipment-to-saudi-arabia-as-trump-announces-new-iran-sanctions-after-oil-attack/ar-AAHAJm3
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