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bigtree

(86,013 posts)
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:34 PM Jan 2012

President Obama Echoes Eisenhower's Farewell Address' Military Industrial Warning

Finally, although today is about our defense strategy, I want to close with a word about the defense budget that will flow from this strategy. The details will be announced in the coming weeks. Some will no doubt say that the spending reductions are too big; others will say that they’re too small. It will be easy to take issue with a particular change in a particular program. But I’d encourage all of us to remember what President Eisenhower once said -- that “each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs.” After a decade of war, and as we rebuild the source of our strength -- at home and abroad -- it’s time to restore that balance.

I think it’s important for all Americans to remember, over the past 10 years, since 9/11, our defense budget grew at an extraordinary pace. Over the next 10 years, the growth in the defense budget will slow, but the fact of the matter is this: It will still grow, because we have global responsibilities that demand our leadership. In fact, the defense budget will still be larger than it was toward the end of the Bush administration. And I firmly believe, and I think the American people understand, that we can keep our military strong and our nation secure with a defense budget that continues to be larger than roughly the next 10 countries combined.


read entire remarks: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/01/05/remarks-president-defense-strategic-review



Eisenhower's Farewell Address to the Nation
http://www.ourdocuments.gov/doc.php?flash=true&doc=90&page=transcript

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President Obama Echoes Eisenhower's Farewell Address' Military Industrial Warning (Original Post) bigtree Jan 2012 OP
This is nothing like Eisenhower's remarks DJ13 Jan 2012 #1
Think if Mcinsane won orpupilofnature57 Jan 2012 #7
I think it's well in line with Eisenhower's view bigtree Jan 2012 #10
Eisenhower was warning us about future presidents ... T S Justly Jan 2012 #2
Eisenhower knew LBJ and I think that he was warning us about him and others like him. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #11
MSM ,did their job orpupilofnature57 Jan 2012 #14
Or maybe Kennedy? Just sayin.' Kahuna Jan 2012 #15
Just sayin maybe Kennedy, huh? Lol! and wtf. (nt) T S Justly Jan 2012 #16
Not at all. hifiguy Jan 2012 #22
Obviously not. Even to the most casual observer. JFK did not profit from the MIC. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #18
Ad hominem meet ad hominem. Neither has Obama. I only Kahuna Jan 2012 #19
Ipse dixit. Merely claiming that someone engaged in an ad hominem attack does not make it so. AnotherMcIntosh Jan 2012 #20
Blah blah blah.. Kahuna Jan 2012 #21
Uh huh... up is down, black is white, war is peace... whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #3
Yep. Luminous Animal Jan 2012 #13
Though it's 50 yrs old. orpupilofnature57 Jan 2012 #4
How so? TheKentuckian Jan 2012 #5
If he said, 'we have to take a stand against the power of the defense industry...' limpyhobbler Jan 2012 #6
Well, he did use President Eisenhower's name and if I tilt Cerridwen Jan 2012 #8
+1! Fire Walk With Me Jan 2012 #12
+2 whatchamacallit Jan 2012 #17
related thread Enrique Jan 2012 #9
Looks like President Obama is not liking what someone to his right is saying or doing madokie Jan 2012 #23

DJ13

(23,671 posts)
1. This is nothing like Eisenhower's remarks
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:40 PM
Jan 2012

"Over the next 10 years, the growth in the defense budget will slow, but the fact of the matter is this: It will still grow, because we have global responsibilities that demand our leadership."


All that does is cements the MIC's expansion, albeit at a slightly slower pace than the present.

bigtree

(86,013 posts)
10. I think it's well in line with Eisenhower's view
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:56 PM
Jan 2012

"Crises there will continue to be. In meeting them, whether foreign or domestic, great or small,there is a recurring temptation to feel that some spectacular and costly action could become the miraculous solution to all current difficulties. A huge increase in newer elements of our defense; development of unrealistic programs to cure every ill in agriculture; a dramatic expansion in basic and applied research-these and many other possibilities, each possibly promising in itself, may be suggested as the only way to the road we which to travel.

But each proposal must be weighed in the light of a broader consideration: the need to maintain balance in and among national programs-balance between the private and the public economy, balance between cost and hoped for advantage-balance between the clearly necessary and the comfortably desirable; balance between our essential requirements as a nation and the duties imposed by the nation upon the individual; balance between action of the moment and the national welfare of the future. Good judgment seeks balance and progress; lack of it eventually finds imbalance and frustration."


President Obama has laid out his philosophy. We'll see if his budget reflects that.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
11. Eisenhower knew LBJ and I think that he was warning us about him and others like him.
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:59 PM
Jan 2012

Neither Congress nor the press did their job in reigning in those involved in the MIC.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
22. Not at all.
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 07:41 PM
Jan 2012

JFK took Ike's advice seriously. After the Bay of Pigs he threatened to "break the CIA into a thousand pieces." He knew Ike was right. Which is one of the primary reasons he was murdered.

Kahuna

(27,312 posts)
19. Ad hominem meet ad hominem. Neither has Obama. I only
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 06:02 AM
Jan 2012

mentioned Kennedy because of the accuser's avatar.

 

AnotherMcIntosh

(11,064 posts)
20. Ipse dixit. Merely claiming that someone engaged in an ad hominem attack does not make it so.
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 08:12 AM
Jan 2012

As explained by Wiki, "An ad hominem (Latin for "to the man" or "to the person&quot , short for argumentum ad hominem, is an attempt to negate the truth of a claim by pointing out a negative characteristic or belief of the person supporting it."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_hominim

Similar explanations can be found elsewhere on the web.

Your suggestion that Eisenhower was warning us about JFK ("Or maybe Kennedy? Just sayin.'&quot , although unjustified, is not an ad hominem attack.

The response to you which contrasts JFK with LBJ ("JFK did not profit from the MIC&quot is both factually true and is also not an ad hominem attack. In Viet Nam, one of the largest contractors who made money from Uncle Sam was RMK BRJ Corp. LBJ had connections with that company through his wife. His wife Lady Bird would ultimately become a major shareholder of Halliburton and a member of the Halliburton board of directors. This is well known and has been discussed many times on DU, with more or less details.

JFK kept us out of war on more than one occasion and would not even support a military invasion of a country just 90 miles off our shores. Although he initially increased the number of Army advisors in Viet Nam, and did so as a follow up to what was begun by Truman and Eisenhower, he ultimately rejected his military advisors and announced his decision to withdraw from that country. Pointing out that he did not profit from the MIC was not an ad hominem attack on you, LBJ, or Obama.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
6. If he said, 'we have to take a stand against the power of the defense industry...'
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:49 PM
Jan 2012

That would have been courageous and close to Eisenhower.

Still I mean, it's not as bad as what McMain would have done, or Romney.

Cerridwen

(13,260 posts)
8. Well, he did use President Eisenhower's name and if I tilt
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:50 PM
Jan 2012

my head and squint a bit it almost reads like;

In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist.

We must never let the weight of this combination endanger our liberties or democratic processes. We should take nothing for granted only an alert and knowledgeable citizenry can compel the proper meshing of huge industrial and military machinery of defense with our peaceful methods and goals, so that security and liberty may prosper together.




 

Fire Walk With Me

(38,893 posts)
12. +1!
Thu Jan 5, 2012, 08:59 PM
Jan 2012

Pretty Word Obama needs to turn around and veto that entire NDAA abomination pronto if he wants my support, at minimum.

"Supercommittee" can't even pass gas but the NDAA gets through unscathed in how long?

Goes to motive. $$$

madokie

(51,076 posts)
23. Looks like President Obama is not liking what someone to his right is saying or doing
Fri Jan 6, 2012, 07:53 PM
Jan 2012

I like to see that look on his face as it shows his commitment to changing the way things were. This man is serious as a hurricane and the only thing the pukes have to counter him with is the shit they've been doing. In the end President O will be bigger and stronger for it, wait and see.

Methinks the fun and games are over and we're to be seeing a different O going forward. He gave it his best shot but the pukes are not going to be worked with. to them its their way or the highway.

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