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Tom Brokaw is an asshole. Just said on Andrea Mitchel's show there is not enough grounds for (Original Post) katmondoo Oct 2019 OP
Is he a republican? onetexan Oct 2019 #1
He is a huge worshiper of Reagan dalton99a Oct 2019 #5
OMG no wonder he endorses that book Hillbilly Elegy onetexan Oct 2019 #38
Yes, and so is Andrea "What about her emails" Mitchel. brush Oct 2019 #18
Not enough? How much more does he want and who is paying him to say that? Farmer-Rick Oct 2019 #2
Exactly! Proud Liberal Dem Oct 2019 #20
There had to be more to that statement. maxsolomon Oct 2019 #3
That's not what I heard, what I heard is that he said that there wasn't the same level grantcart Oct 2019 #25
Thanks. maxsolomon Oct 2019 #29
Thanks for clarification, and I would add: ...yet. It's on the way and they all know it. crickets Oct 2019 #33
Thank you! H2O Man Oct 2019 #37
I lose track of who we like and who we hate. Tweety, Moore, etc. nt USALiberal Oct 2019 #4
Looks like a slam on DU from here. Kingofalldems Oct 2019 #7
Thanks for your input, Comrade! bullwinkle428 Oct 2019 #6
Clinton was impeached for the meaning of is? Trump is a dangerous pathological liar. The Wielding Truth Oct 2019 #8
Okay Tom, let's approach this from the other side gratuitous Oct 2019 #9
+1. yonder Oct 2019 #23
Trump has to switch his party affiliation to Democrat, and then there will be enough Yavin4 Oct 2019 #26
Lol TheRealNorth Oct 2019 #28
Open hearings haven't started yet eleny Oct 2019 #10
Tom Brokaw is a Jerk ritapria Oct 2019 #11
Brokaw is in protection mode uponit7771 Oct 2019 #12
Sondland has changed his story now NewJeffCT Oct 2019 #13
Aren't we at the evidence gathering stage? Jarqui Oct 2019 #14
It's not up to pundits. Doesn't matter what any teevee people say. spanone Oct 2019 #15
I remember when DeterDeter Oct 2019 #16
Correct BeyondGeography Oct 2019 #17
Just a Dan Rather wannabe. nt Ferrets are Cool Oct 2019 #19
Brokaw is respected by a lot of people. TidalWave46 Oct 2019 #21
What was his thoughts on Clinton being impeached for a BJ? MagickMuffin Oct 2019 #22
It was clear that he'd committed perjury. That's a crime. maxsolomon Oct 2019 #30
While I understand why they decided to impeach because he lied MagickMuffin Oct 2019 #32
To clarify, Brokaw said that there is not yet the kind of CRIMINAL evidence stopbush Oct 2019 #24
What I heard him say was that there wasn't the same level of clarity as there was with grantcart Oct 2019 #27
I bet that's not what he meant. Besides, he's promoting his book on the Impeachment of Nixon. Hoyt Oct 2019 #31
"he's promoting his book on the Impeachment of Nixon" crickets Oct 2019 #34
That isn't for HIM to determine. THAT IS FOR CONGRESS, and HE ISN'T and elected member of Congress still_one Oct 2019 #35
And how does he know? Skidmore Oct 2019 #36
He doesn't. Isn't that sort of the point? hughee99 Oct 2019 #39
The right wing is all over the king of liberal politics Tom Brokaw saying Trump is innocent... FormerDittoHead Oct 2019 #40

dalton99a

(81,486 posts)
5. He is a huge worshiper of Reagan
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:57 PM
Oct 2019

In 2016 he said that Hillary was sick and she should to to a hospital and see a neurologist

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
3. There had to be more to that statement.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 12:57 PM
Oct 2019

Not enough grounds YET? Politically?

Were there any qualifiers on that judgment?

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
25. That's not what I heard, what I heard is that he said that there wasn't the same level
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:10 PM
Oct 2019

of clarity that there was with Nixon and the tapes.


crickets

(25,979 posts)
33. Thanks for clarification, and I would add: ...yet. It's on the way and they all know it.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:49 PM
Oct 2019

eta: Wait for it. The public hearings Repubs kept howling for are happening soon, and the saying "be careful what you wish for, you may get it" is about to bite them hard.

gratuitous

(82,849 posts)
9. Okay Tom, let's approach this from the other side
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 01:02 PM
Oct 2019

Last edited Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:42 PM - Edit history (1)

What would it take for you to agree that there is grounds for impeachment? That is to say, what are you looking for, specifically? What more would you want? Clearly, the evidence so far of abuse of power and obstruction of justice (two of the articles being considered against Nixon at the time of his resignation) isn't enough for you. Instead of saying "not enough," what would you say, prospectively, is enough? How much more do you need before you will concede that Trump has committed the constitutionally requisite high crimes and misdemeanors? We're about four weeks in to the impeachment inquiry, and the direction looks pretty damning for Trump, but obviously not damning enough for your tastes. So what do you need to see, Tom? Because it's coming.

eleny

(46,166 posts)
10. Open hearings haven't started yet
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 01:02 PM
Oct 2019

I doubt he has knowledge of all that's been said in the recent closed door depositions.

So, like they say about opinions. They're like assholes - everyone has one.

 

ritapria

(1,812 posts)
11. Tom Brokaw is a Jerk
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 01:02 PM
Oct 2019

10 counts of Obstruction of Justice , kidnapping children from their parents , Witholding military aid from a key ally in exchange for gathering dirt on a political opponent , Massive violations of the Emoluments clause , Charlottesville , Offering pardons to immigrantion officers if they violate the law …………...Tom really loves those Trump Tax Cuts , the Country be damned

Jarqui

(10,125 posts)
14. Aren't we at the evidence gathering stage?
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 01:05 PM
Oct 2019

Does the jury get to render a verdict before charges are figured out and the evidence and case is collected and presented?

Brokaw proves he's not the sharpest knife in the drawer.

DeterDeter

(70 posts)
16. I remember when
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 01:08 PM
Oct 2019

He was boasting about basically acting as a liaison between the McCain campaign in 2008 and NBC (here is the link that I found: https://www.nytimes.com/2008/09/30/arts/television/30brok.html).

He shouldn't even be on MSNBC or NBC anymore after the harassment allegation, but we know from the Ronan Farrow book how NBC should not be trusted to handle those matters responsibly.

 

TidalWave46

(2,061 posts)
21. Brokaw is respected by a lot of people.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 01:23 PM
Oct 2019

This isn't the worst thing out there. Open hearings will start soon. Someone like Brokaw changing his mind along the way isn't that bad for us. Yes, he should understand that the bar has been reached. That doesn't mean it won't be a huge positive if he changes his tune in the middle of open hearings.

maxsolomon

(33,345 posts)
30. It was clear that he'd committed perjury. That's a crime.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:30 PM
Oct 2019

That's what the Impeachment was for, officially. Unofficially? It was for being Bill Clinton.

Trump's High Crimes are vastly more consequential that Clinton's or Nixon's, but it's a more complicated to understand. Especially when America is significantly more stupid than in 1974.

It involves Latin, after all.

MagickMuffin

(15,940 posts)
32. While I understand why they decided to impeach because he lied
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:48 PM
Oct 2019

However, it all stems from a bj. And the republicons also went on here say to pursue the inquiry!

stopbush

(24,396 posts)
24. To clarify, Brokaw said that there is not yet the kind of CRIMINAL evidence
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:08 PM
Oct 2019

revealed about tRump that was revealed about Nixon, who he said clearly broke the law.

Of course - as all of the experts have pointed out - a president need not commit a crime to be impeached, and tRump has certainly committed crimes. Either Brokaw is playing stupid or is stupid.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
27. What I heard him say was that there wasn't the same level of clarity as there was with
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:12 PM
Oct 2019

Nixon and the tapes with Nixon clearly articulating a crime that everyone could hear him say in his own words.

Was there something I missed?

Do you have a link to the clip?

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
31. I bet that's not what he meant. Besides, he's promoting his book on the Impeachment of Nixon.
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:46 PM
Oct 2019

So, there is a lot of clarity for him on that.

crickets

(25,979 posts)
34. "he's promoting his book on the Impeachment of Nixon"
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 02:56 PM
Oct 2019

Thanks for that data point; it gives a little more context as to why he's flapping his mouth at all. $cha-ching$

still_one

(92,190 posts)
35. That isn't for HIM to determine. THAT IS FOR CONGRESS, and HE ISN'T and elected member of Congress
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 03:21 PM
Oct 2019

so it is just another worthless opinion that won't even buy ya a cup of coffee


hughee99

(16,113 posts)
39. He doesn't. Isn't that sort of the point?
Tue Oct 29, 2019, 05:36 PM
Oct 2019

The case for impeachment hasn’t been made publicly, yet. He hasn’t seen the evidence that the people in the house have. Maybe he’ll change his mind once that happens.

FormerDittoHead

(5,155 posts)
40. The right wing is all over the king of liberal politics Tom Brokaw saying Trump is innocent...
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 07:26 PM
Oct 2019

I spend 3 fucking minutes on a right wing TV show and then I had to go chasing this bullshit down.

AVOID RIGHT WING MEDIA!

Brokaw has it so fucking wrong.

If you look at his interview:

https://www.today.com/video/tom-brokaw-talks-impeachment-and-fall-of-richard-nixon-his-new-book-72241221688

He says the democrats today don't have the "clarity" or the smoking gun that they with Nixon, rather, he goes on, the Democrats don't have "the goods" on this President"...

1) BROKAW MUST HAVE AMNESIA.

I was only a teenager at the time, but I remember MONTHS AND MONTHS of hearings. Nixon didn't prevent any of his people from testifying in front of Congress (Senate).

It should be realized that it was only DAYS after the tapes were finally listened to that Nixon lost all his support on "the hill" BUT by that point Nixon was no worse off than he was the day before, as it was the HEARINGS that made things very clear to even this teenagers.

2) BROKAW MUST NOT BE PAYING ATTENTION.

Just that redacted "summary" of that phone call is "the goods". Everything else paints a 3D HD picture...

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