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Demovictory9

(32,489 posts)
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 11:14 PM Oct 2019

It's Worse Than Lies: There's No Word in the English Language for What Trump & Co. Are Doing

It’s Worse Than Lies: There’s No Word in the English Language for What Trump & Co. Are Doing
A lie is when you cover up or deflect. But proclaiming the opposite of the truth to be true is something else.


Michael Tomasky
Special Correspondent

In 2010, researchers from Harvard and Google put their heads together to determine that there are roughly 1,022,000 words in the English language. The Oxford English Dictionary lists around 600,000.

Either way, that’s a lot of words. But there isn’t a word in the English language for what Donald Trump and the Republicans are doing.

They are no longer merely lying. Lying is covering up the truth. Lying is, No, Mom, honest, I didn’t break Aunt Donna’s Hummel. Or: No, Your Honor, I did not bilk my investors out of $4 million and abscond to Grand Cayman.

What these people are doing goes way beyond that. It’s a direct nuclear assault on the truth. It’s not: I didn’t break the figurine. Instead, it’s:

Mom, not only did I not break it, but Susie broke it, and I painstakingly glued it back together after she did so, and the facts that a) Susie has been away at camp all this time and b) you’re looking at it there on the dining room table in 37 pieces are tricks, delusions—manifestations of a vast, fake-news conspiracy against me orchestrated by Susie and Aunt Donna. They’ve met together recently on more than one occasion, after all, and people are saying that Aunt Donna bought two boxes of Samoas and one box of Tagalongs from Susie; and that, dear Mother, is proof of the cabal!

For this, we do not have a word. In the entire English language. Chew on that for a minute.

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It's Worse Than Lies: There's No Word in the English Language for What Trump & Co. Are Doing (Original Post) Demovictory9 Oct 2019 OP
I think there is a word: coprophagy RainCaster Oct 2019 #1
Please explain the semantics. triron Oct 2019 #3
I'm interested in 2naSalit Oct 2019 #6
What came immediately to mind was a dog eating its poop RainCaster Oct 2019 #7
Okay, I can see that. 2naSalit Oct 2019 #8
You're on to something; but I'd suggest coprophyxia- from Maggot Brain- "Drown in my own shit." NBachers Oct 2019 #15
Yeah it fits,we have kakistocracy. I_UndergroundPanther Oct 2019 #23
We are near what I call kleptocratic fascism. roamer65 Oct 2019 #25
Link: The Velveteen Ocelot Oct 2019 #2
Thanks. While I completely agree with the author's points, it's tough enough getting... Garrett78 Oct 2019 #11
Worse than treason. triron Oct 2019 #4
blatant immorality NRaleighLiberal Oct 2019 #5
Certainly one of the worst cases of any known to modern society...nt 2naSalit Oct 2019 #9
It's Trumpism. NCLefty Oct 2019 #10
I think "Absolute Bullshit" might be appropriate world wide wally Oct 2019 #12
I Dan Oct 2019 #13
The adjective 'Orwellian' does fit quite well muriel_volestrangler Oct 2019 #18
Slightly off topic, but I once tried to find a single adjective to describe trump Poiuyt Oct 2019 #14
he is in a league of his own. Demovictory9 Oct 2019 #22
Devious and conniving work for me. Deb Oct 2019 #16
Gaslighting! The Twilight Zone! Cha Oct 2019 #17
Post-treasonous kentuck Oct 2019 #19
Foxworld? moondust Oct 2019 #20
Tie it to the biggest offender ggmac0427 Oct 2019 #21
It's called Doublespeak. roamer65 Oct 2019 #24
Viking. As a verb. nolabear Oct 2019 #26
"There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men bad enough for such treachery." ... Hekate Nov 2019 #27

2naSalit

(86,889 posts)
8. Okay, I can see that.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 11:44 PM
Oct 2019

It's an interesting concept. I have lived through/survived having more than one family member who thinks and acts like this and i have never come up with a term or even a description of what it would look like in another context.

But I would argue that your word, which I like BTW, doesn't complete the scenario to be described.

My description, to add on to yours, would be more like a dog eating its fecal matter but then spitting it out all over everyone and then biting the victims for smelling bad. It would have to be a compound term consisting of more than one word to fully imply the whole concept.

Maybe this: Accusatory coprophagenous spewing... or something similar..? In this case it would have to be a verb phrase since it's something they are doing.

NBachers

(17,160 posts)
15. You're on to something; but I'd suggest coprophyxia- from Maggot Brain- "Drown in my own shit."
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:38 AM
Oct 2019

The intro to the song by Funkadelic- "Maggot Brain;" the trump administration and the republicans are really trying to drown us in their own shit.

Garrett78

(10,721 posts)
11. Thanks. While I completely agree with the author's points, it's tough enough getting...
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 11:57 PM
Oct 2019

...Democrats and members of the media to call Republicans liars (as if stating the obvious is somehow disrespectful or not taking the high road) without coming up with an even stronger word.

Again, though, the points are well-taken. The Republican Party, with virtually no exceptions, is ethically bankrupt and is not acting in good faith. You can't compromise with people who constantly lie and cheat, with people who promote an alternate reality. This ain't the party of Ike.

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
10. It's Trumpism.
Wed Oct 30, 2019, 11:50 PM
Oct 2019

I think we can and should lay this at his feet, even though Republicans have been doing it to some degree forever.

muriel_volestrangler

(101,403 posts)
18. The adjective 'Orwellian' does fit quite well
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 06:32 AM
Oct 2019

though Wikipedia points out that "doublespeak" doesn't appear itself in '1984'; there's "doublethink" (what the masses are meant to employ to accept the lies fed to them), and "Newspeak" - the deliberate restriction of the language to stop dissent or individual thinking. Doublespeak is more used for manipulation of the language, rather than an assault of the basic facts and reality.

"Counterfeit reality"?

I found this word in a Thesaurus search: "knavigation": A statement or story that is characteristic of a knave, esp. in being dishonest or fraudulent.

Poiuyt

(18,133 posts)
14. Slightly off topic, but I once tried to find a single adjective to describe trump
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 02:01 AM
Oct 2019

Nothing seems adequate:

Mean, cruel, malicious, vicious, sadistic, bullying, vindictive, depraved, corrupt, unethical, arrogant, egotistical, narcissistic, self-centered, insecure, paranoid, petty, thin-skinned, childish, immature, petulant, incompetent, fascist, jingoist, xenophobe, racist, bigot, demagogic, psychopathic, fucking moron.

All of these are accurate, but there isn't one word that encompasses all of them.

moondust

(20,019 posts)
20. Foxworld?
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 08:06 AM
Oct 2019

For 25+ years they've been misleading people into believing the truth is whatever narrative you want it to be. Life is easier in the alternate reality bubble...until the actual truth comes barging in.

ggmac0427

(38 posts)
21. Tie it to the biggest offender
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 03:17 PM
Oct 2019

Let it be known as Trumped-up News. We’ll all recognize it’s not just a lie, but some fabricated story to replace the truth.

nolabear

(42,001 posts)
26. Viking. As a verb.
Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:16 PM
Oct 2019

Pillaging, destroying, looting, laying waste to. It’s all they care about. We are tools to gain spoils and power.

Hekate

(90,956 posts)
27. "There is no curse in Elvish, Entish, or the tongues of Men bad enough for such treachery." ...
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:33 AM
Nov 2019

So said Treebeard. So say I.

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