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Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:44 PM

It's my belief that the GOP is hiding something big. This isn't just about Trump loyalty.

All of this distraction and obstruction being thrown out there by the right wing
has to involve something bigger than "Trump Loyalty", or simple party loyalty.

What are your thoughts on what they are trying to prevent exposure on?

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Reply It's my belief that the GOP is hiding something big. This isn't just about Trump loyalty. (Original post)
Progressive Jones Oct 2019 OP
DBoon Oct 2019 #1
Jarqui Nov 2019 #7
CrispyQ Nov 2019 #54
Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2019 #62
ananda Nov 2019 #38
uponit7771 Nov 2019 #41
Andy823 Nov 2019 #42
CanonRay Nov 2019 #56
Amaryllis Nov 2019 #68
donkeypoofed Oct 2019 #2
calimary Nov 2019 #22
dalton99a Nov 2019 #37
dalton99a Oct 2019 #3
dchill Nov 2019 #17
pandr32 Nov 2019 #51
Hermit-The-Prog Oct 2019 #4
zaj Nov 2019 #5
KT2000 Nov 2019 #10
Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #13
Funtatlaguy Nov 2019 #34
Eyeball_Kid Nov 2019 #15
ancianita Nov 2019 #23
hatrack Nov 2019 #36
KT2000 Nov 2019 #6
C_U_L8R Nov 2019 #8
roamer65 Nov 2019 #19
moondust Nov 2019 #9
Eyeball_Kid Nov 2019 #16
Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2019 #63
uponit7771 Nov 2019 #40
RockRaven Nov 2019 #11
AJT Nov 2019 #12
Captain Zero Nov 2019 #31
Hortensis Nov 2019 #33
roamer65 Nov 2019 #14
shanti Nov 2019 #18
roamer65 Nov 2019 #28
Nasruddin Nov 2019 #29
GoCubsGo Nov 2019 #59
C Moon Nov 2019 #20
brush Nov 2019 #21
gordianot Nov 2019 #24
belpejic Nov 2019 #30
Captain Zero Nov 2019 #32
crickets Nov 2019 #46
proud patriot Nov 2019 #25
Botany Nov 2019 #26
Kablooie Nov 2019 #27
duforsure Nov 2019 #35
uponit7771 Nov 2019 #39
dalton99a Nov 2019 #52
uponit7771 Nov 2019 #53
tavernier Nov 2019 #43
Johonny Nov 2019 #44
Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2019 #49
Johnny2X2X Nov 2019 #45
crickets Nov 2019 #47
Buckeye_Democrat Nov 2019 #48
malaise Nov 2019 #50
Frustratedlady Nov 2019 #55
Mopar151 Nov 2019 #57
dawnie51 Nov 2019 #58
Kitchari Nov 2019 #67
bluestarone Nov 2019 #60
Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2019 #61
Pluvious Nov 2019 #64
bamagal62 Nov 2019 #65
blm Nov 2019 #66

Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:51 PM

1. They have all been bought by Russian money

and they know if the truth came out they would all end up in a federal prison

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:11 AM

7. It was the thing that broke Watergate: "follow the money" but

Mueller and his people never seemed to do that.

And nobody has done so since. There have been separate efforts on the Trump inauguration, Trump Foundation & Trump emoluments for example.

We've been stymied with Trumps tax returns and financial docs and the redactions to the Mueller report along with it's supporting evidence.

But nobody seems to chase down the "Putin pays Trump" discussion between Paul Ryan, McCarthy, etc
https://www.washingtonpost.com/apps/g/page/national/read-the-transcript-of-the-conversation-among-gop-leaders-obtained-by-the-post/2209/
and the Russian money through the NRA, etc

We now have a bit more with Rudy Giuliani and his two thugs ...

There seem to be some investigative black holes where we hear things and then they kind of disappear.

There is something missing. Maybe Nancy Pelosi knows what it is and is waiting for the right time .. who knows?

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Response to Jarqui (Reply #7)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:34 AM

54. That should have been a bigger story.

Investigative black holes - good term.

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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #54)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:03 PM

62. +1

And can we ask about how Brett Kavanaugh's debts got paid off shortly before he was confirmed? I'm sure that there's an interesting story behind that.

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:17 AM

38. Agree

There are so many dirty, compromised Reeps right now
it's unreal!

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:20 AM

41. +1, McCarthy took Russian money from Rudy's goons

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:23 AM

42. Exactly

Russia invested a lot of money in trump, and republican in the House and Senate. It was funneled in through the NRA, and other secret sources. They afraid trump will turn on them so they do whatever he wants.

Ironically they think he will protect him, when the fact is he will most likely toss them all under the bus if he can make some kind of a deal to save himself.

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:38 AM

56. DBoon you nailed it

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Response to DBoon (Reply #1)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 08:49 PM

68. Exactly. Thought that for ages. Moscow Mitch has known history with that.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:51 PM

2. I think it's because every one of them is being blackmailed

When ya think about it, it wouldn't have been hard for GRU hackers to glean blackmailable info on ALL of the GOP members. This is the only reasonable explanation for me - over other reasons like they're all worried about being primaried and losing funding and blah blah blah. I can't reconcile all that they've done with any other explanation, other than they're all asswipes,which is totally believable. Lol

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Response to donkeypoofed (Reply #2)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:35 AM

22. Well, shit, there were Russians climbing all over the GOP convention in 2016.

From what I’ve read, there were Russians all over the place, to the point where some people were noticing and starting to wonder about it.

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Response to calimary (Reply #22)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:13 AM

37. Yep. Kislyak met with Sessions (and Carter Page and J.D. Gordon) at the GOP convention

Kislyak also sat in the front row when Trump made his foreign-policy speech on April 27, 2016

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:53 PM

3. Putin vacuumed up all their files and messages

Notice they never mentioned that their servers were hacked

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:53 AM

17. Yep. Nobody else mentions it, either.

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Response to dalton99a (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:21 AM

51. Good point!

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Thu Oct 31, 2019, 11:58 PM

4. Russiapublicans can't stay in power without ratfuckery

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:01 AM

5. It doesn't have to be that...

 

It might be that they just embrace authoritarian Russia.


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Response to zaj (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:14 AM

10. Oligarchs belong to a small club

All those repubs believe they will be one of them when this coup is over. Sort of like believing they will be one of those taken to heaven when the end comes. They think so highly of themselves they are sure they will be part of the ruling class (trump probably told them that much) and having taken their money they are already obeying orders. They even likely believe Putin will share power.



Today I saw where a representative R used a prop calling the Democrats Soviets. We should probably stop saying "Russia" and use the word "Soviet" instead. Like, we need to investigate the "Soviet" contributions to the republicans.

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Response to zaj (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:41 AM

13. and to evangelicals and dominionists

Geopolitical realignment.

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Response to Grasswire2 (Reply #13)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:05 AM

34. The Dominionists will serve as the minions of the Oligarchs.

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Response to zaj (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:47 AM

15. So it's supposed to be a growing alliance among nations...

... of white-skinned people as the true inheritors of the earth. Putin has a lot of anti-immigrant, racist sympathizers in western Europe whose unifying points of interest includes the idea that brown and black people are mucking up the (economic) power structure by competing with white folks for (wait for it) JOBS.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:35 AM

23. +1

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:37 AM

36. So, yeah, Russia - in demographic free-fall, with an economy smaller than Italy's . . . .

. . . run by a handful of corrupt clowns and incompetent apparatchiks with the Eastern Orthodox Church providing the benediction.

It just shouts "long-term aspirational strategic partnership", doesn't it?

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:04 AM

6. Afraid they will be found out

taking Russia connected money.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:11 AM

8. Something's clearly amiss

Their rapid morph from commie-hating reaganites into Putin-loving trumpstains will make your head spin. People just don't change like that. They are compromised and probably conspiring.

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Response to C_U_L8R (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:11 AM

19. It's a lot like the movie Alien.

Inside of every Repuke is a fascist scumbag just waiting to “pop out”.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:13 AM

9. Russia?

Maybe they know they can't win without Putin's help: hacking, social media propaganda, rubles via the NRA, etc. Maybe they have more history of help from Putin than we know. Turtle may have been counting on it when he denied Merrick Garland. Why did GOP go to Moscow over July 4, 2018?

From 2014: Rudy Giuliani: Unlike Obama, Putin is “what you call a leader”

I think there were others around that time expressing the same kind of admiration for strongman Putin.



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Response to moondust (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:51 AM

16. "Why did GOP go to Moscow over July 4, 2018?"

To prove their loyalty to Putin. And that would presume that they could understand the metaphorical content of their actions. It's worse of they couldn't understand it. They'd be worse than useful idiots.

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Response to Eyeball_Kid (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:05 PM

63. That was extremely weird/bizarre

and they were all Republicans I believe.

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Response to moondust (Reply #9)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:19 AM

40. +1

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:26 AM

11. Russia didn't just hack the DNC in '16, they hacked the RNC too

They just didn't release the RNC stuff to Wikileaks or other media outlets. Why?

Well, that is the question, isn't it? The better to blackmail them with, probably. One must imagine there is good kompromat against the party as a whole and all the Congressional Reps/Senators who have been around long enough. Probably really, really dirty money and/or what they really think about GOP base voters like evangelical Xians, rural whites, and the like.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:29 AM

12. I think by their very nature republicans are authoritarians. They want no regulation on business an

want to regulate personal behavior. Trump is giving them everything they want and they believe they will not be defeated, and the way they lie cheat and steal they may be right.

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Response to AJT (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:40 AM

31. They may see the US Constitution as the root of all regulations, which it is...

The logical extension of that is that in order to de-regulate everything, they need to de-regulate or destroy the current constitution.

I was thinking about that today. The constitution is the ultimate set of regulations that they hate.

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Response to AJT (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:55 AM

33. Yes. And they've been using fascistic tactics successfully for too long

to have any interest in not continuing them. I'm guessing none of the leaders could even if they wanted, in part for much the same reason the auto executives all rode their gravy train to the end -- anyone trying to stop it was thrown off. They will either hang together or hang separately.

But why on earth would they want to stop when they've come so far, too far to turn back? Their self images depend on continued victories that validate their tactics and goals in their own minds. And of course both their safety from consequences and the rewards of the power and wealth they seek depend on winning.

And that depends on continuing their fascistic smashing of laws and norms until they do. As you suggest, I believe for those in today's Republican leadership it's their nature, and that only partially unleashed so far.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:43 AM

14. Russia and Epstein.

I am sure the two are tied.

Remember these are the same ilk who swept the Franklin scandal from the late 1980’s under the rug.

99.9 pct of all political scandals are about money and/or sex.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:07 AM

18. Nary a peep about Epstein anymore

Funny that.

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Response to shanti (Reply #18)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:16 AM

28. Yeah. How could that be?

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #28)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:34 AM

29. Dead men tell no tales

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #14)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:48 AM

59. Yep.

Most, if not all of them are compromised by Russian money. I don't think all of them are tied to Epstein, but it's just a matter of how many are. I'm betting the number is fairly substantial. The only thing that is certain is that the entire GOP is comprised of criminals.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:24 AM

20. Most of the GOP is involved in illegal activity that would put most of the party in prison--or worse.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:27 AM

21. IMO it's about trump and the rest of them are Putin assets. As Nancy Pelosi told trump to...

his face, everything with him leads back to Putin—see his actions recently with Syria and the Ukraine. All of trumps moves favor the Russians.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:37 AM

24. I agree Mayor 9-11 and his Russian Mob goon bank accounts.

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Response to gordianot (Reply #24)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:39 AM

30. I wonder how much Rudy was worth...

...to the Russian mob when he was busy taking down the Italian one.

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Response to belpejic (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:45 AM

32. Yes. And I always wondered why the Feds never went after Trump full bore in the 80's

Then a couple months ago realized it was because Rudy was running the SDNY at the time.
They BOTH have been all mobbed up with the Russians since the 1980's !!
When he was first mayor, there was all that PR about Rudy coming from an Italian family with no mafia ties, they clearly overlooked the possibility of Russian Mafia ties.

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Response to belpejic (Reply #30)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 10:10 AM

46. Nature abhors a vacuum

By getting rid of one mob, he made room for the other. It was no happy accident. It's becoming obvious Rudy outright orchestrated that.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:50 AM

25. 1)they are opposed to everything the US Constitution says

they are only loyal to $$$$$

2) they know exactly how fast climate change
is going to take effect and are grabbing all the
$$$ they can.

3)ELE ...

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:59 AM

26. Russia is huge no doubt but the other "thing" is that our voting system is dirty.

According to exit polls HRC won.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 02:07 AM

27. Sounds like conspiracy theory stuff to me.

But I'd bet that it's true with at least a few Republidan politicians.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:15 AM

35. I think trump and putin

Are actively corrupting our government to serve them , not anyone else. When things are exposed they'll have many crimes to answer for, including money laundering, election fraud, obstruction of justice, destruction of evidence, lying under oath, conspiracy against this country, not registering as working for a foreign government, and much much more. trumps holding this over their heads now with putin.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:17 AM

39. ***McCarthy Took Russian Money !!! *** That's what's big

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #39)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:28 AM

52. +1. So did Moscow Mitch. I believe the entire GOP Congressional leadership owes Putin



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Response to dalton99a (Reply #52)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:33 AM

53. Yep, I wish democrats would just come out with it. They know Russiapublican pols are dirty

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:36 AM

43. Remember the movie "The Untouchables"?

They couldn’t get Capone or any of his bunch because the entire judicial system of Chicago was compromised.

I think we are seeing the same thing here on a much larger scale.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:40 AM

44. They're scared of their FOX watching brain dead base

They used to control them, now they must bow down to them. They don't control their party. The makers of GOP mass media do.

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Response to Johonny (Reply #44)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:14 AM

49. This

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 09:45 AM

45. How organized crime works

These are forces of organized crime that have taken over. They are doing it in order to raid the treasury. We will never know how much they stole.

But here's how the mob works that people discount. The mob gets their hooks into people or businesses and they do it by sharing risk. They bought the entire GOP and now control them this way. They funneled illegal Russian money into scores of GOP campaigns, and they gave sweet heart business deals to family and friends of all key Republicans. And now that they're in power, they are incriminating every single one of them with illegal cash and illegal contracts. Once you're in, there is no way out because the way out goes through jail. That's how it all works, they are all at risk of jail now, so they will be loyal.

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Response to Johnny2X2X (Reply #45)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 10:12 AM

47. +1

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:13 AM

48. They don't want to lose elections, simple as that.

They hopped onto the right-wing media crazy train, even more willingly after Trump was elected.

Have you not met several non-politicians who are Trump loyalists? Republican politicians who turn their backs on them will probably not get re-elected.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:16 AM

50. I suspect those two Rudy goons were sharing out Russian money

to several ReTHUGs.
I do wonder if they will ever face a trial.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:35 AM

55. I have to agree with a lot of what has been said, but...

let us not forget Ryan. He got out early because he could see the writing on the wall. Don't let him get away with it.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:39 AM

57. Fealty to Grover Norquist?

His shark-toothed "Kill the government, abolish taxes" standard for GOP candidates (Play, or be primaried!) has a lot to do with Republican Unity.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:43 AM

58. I remember right after the election in 2016......

when all those members came out of the meeting where facts and findings were first brought out, and several of them were pale as ghosts and looked sick and shaky. And I think it was Auntie Maxine who made a terse comment that if and when all was exposed to the American public, they would be shaken to their very core. I have thought about that often over these last years, and especially now that things ARE coming to light at last. I have always believed that GOP was up to their eyeballs in the whole mess, from the lowliest congresscritter to Turtle, from Anthony Kennedy to "I like beer"man. When the depth and breadth of GOP malevolence is fully exposed, it will shake the country. But we have to know, the sunlight must be shown on them all. They've gotten away with too much for too long.

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Response to dawnie51 (Reply #58)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 01:25 PM

67. I remember that, too

Quite dramatic

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 11:53 AM

60. KICK

You are so right!!

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:01 PM

61. My theory:

is that a lot of them are mired in the same issues that Trump is, which is to say, some kind of entanglement with Russia, what happened in 2016, taking Russian money through the NRA and the deeper down the rabbit hole everybody goes, the more likely they're all going to be exposed. Russia seems to have gotten its meathooks in the Republican Party and nearly all of them are compromised one way or another. Just about everything else that has happened during the Trump Presidency has flowed from this.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:26 PM

64. Don't forget the GOPer 4th of July pilgrimage to Moscow

...to affirm their allegiance to their new owner.

So shameful.

We'll be stained by this for generations.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:38 PM

65. I'm going with blackmail

And threats that involve their families. I think many are owned by the Russian mob. They got greedy and now they don’t have a way out. They’re scared. That’s my take in it.

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Response to Progressive Jones (Original post)

Fri Nov 1, 2019, 12:41 PM

66. Agree. My guess is they had Wisconsin rigged via Walker and Priebus.

And that’s just for starters.

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