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MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:24 PM Nov 2019

What to do with nude or explicit photos when a relationship ends?

It's simple. If they are of the other person, you hand them over to that person to do with as the other person wishes. If they are of the two of you, you destroy them and let the other person know that you did. If they are of you, do whatever you wish with them.

There are no other alternatives. You don't hold them over the other person as blackmail material. You don't make them public to embarrass or harm the other person.

You were in a relationship. It ended. That happens. At one time, you liked that person, at least, so you owe that person at least to not harm him or her when the relationship ends.

I do not understand any other action in such a situation. Even if the relationship ended badly or you were left hurting, the relationship existed and deserves respect for its existence.

I've been in that situation, and did as I described above. I couldn't imagine doing anything else.

I don't get it when people do hurtful things in such circumstances. I never will get it.

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What to do with nude or explicit photos when a relationship ends? (Original Post) MineralMan Nov 2019 OP
Better yet, don't take or give anybody naked pictures of yourself. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #1
My thoughts exactly. hlthe2b Nov 2019 #2
In the olden days you could destroy the negatives and you'd probably be safe. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #4
But, it happens. In my case, a high school girlfriend gave me a MineralMan Nov 2019 #3
We're in a digital age StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #18
Sad to say, you're right. MineralMan Nov 2019 #21
It doesn't have to be shared, but it can easily be shared StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #23
And do everything you can to keep someone else from taking those types of pics of you GumboYaYa Nov 2019 #6
Thank you. StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #16
That has been my practice. I've told my kids not to worry about running across any nude pictures Arkansas Granny Nov 2019 #27
Unfortunately people make mistakes, especially in their youth. dewsgirl Nov 2019 #54
Ditto...what's the purpose anyways of taking such pics? I don't understand the logic of doing... SWBTATTReg Nov 2019 #58
We need to prosecute those that do revenge porn. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2019 #73
Nudes are fun, though. Codeine Nov 2019 #79
It's different for women, and especially for teenage girls. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #86
Absolutely RobinA Nov 2019 #83
The husband who shamed her with nude pics Beringia Nov 2019 #5
Yes, of course. Sadly, that is often not what happens, as MineralMan Nov 2019 #7
Yeah..Maybe take a picture of his little dick whathehell Nov 2019 #48
Corollary central scrutinizer Nov 2019 #8
Absolutely. Digital imaging and video has made the issue much MineralMan Nov 2019 #9
Follow in my footsteps, as the song goes... First, don't have a relationship. That's worked out very abqtommy Nov 2019 #10
Not everyone does the same things. MineralMan Nov 2019 #12
That's very true, but I don't have a current or previous lover spreading around pictures of abqtommy Nov 2019 #26
Bingo. On the freaking mark. Exacto. Any other description of a perfect answer. Blue_true Nov 2019 #59
When You Do Certain Things RobinA Nov 2019 #84
I remember a lover of mine once suggesting making a video of us. cwydro Nov 2019 #11
You were wise. Not everyone is. MineralMan Nov 2019 #13
I suppose you're right, but I don't know. cwydro Nov 2019 #15
Well, thinking about that young freshman congress person, MineralMan Nov 2019 #19
She might have resigned under threat that more pics or compromising info would be released. nt tblue37 Nov 2019 #75
Maybe it's generational - but I don't understand the whole "let's take pictures of us doing this" th StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #22
I'm with you. smirkymonkey Nov 2019 #24
Like I said, maybe it's generational - there seems to be a sense among some StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #30
Yes! Very well said! Collimator Nov 2019 #40
Or this StarfishSaver Nov 2019 #42
Me, too Boomer Nov 2019 #45
People post pics of their lunch or their coffee! Nothing is real to some people unless there's a tblue37 Nov 2019 #77
Me either..I was never into it. n/t whathehell Nov 2019 #50
silly Mineral -- you MONETIZE! Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #14
22 years ago, I had a friend MurrayDelph Nov 2019 #17
I had a couple of Polaroids of only one GF. I left them with her when we separated. TheBlackAdder Nov 2019 #20
I'm no prude but I just don't understand why one has to do this at all in a relationship... CTyankee Nov 2019 #25
Nice try, but I am not going to give you my mailing address. braddy Nov 2019 #28
a few years after I was divorced NewJeffCT Nov 2019 #29
We had more command over the execution of our ethics in the 20th tandem5 Nov 2019 #31
Good, sound advice... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #32
Mineral Man, this is why I adore you. Even though.... lostnfound Nov 2019 #33
He's a great guy NewJeffCT Nov 2019 #36
A friend of my son worked at Best Buy repairing phones. jaysunb Nov 2019 #34
You do not put nude or explicit photos on line, on your phone, ever question everything Nov 2019 #35
I've been deprived in life... Blue_Tires Nov 2019 #37
I've never understood why people initiate or consent to digital images of this sort mn9driver Nov 2019 #38
Well, everyone is different. Here's a story that illustrates that: MineralMan Nov 2019 #43
Agreed whole heartedly PJMcK Nov 2019 #39
Send them to Daily Mail IronLionZion Nov 2019 #41
The Contender, 2000 movie with Joan Allen irisblue Nov 2019 #44
The only way to make sure they are never seen..... mudstump Nov 2019 #46
That's victim blaming. Turin_C3PO Nov 2019 #47
Right? I'm flabbergasted by the level of this in this thread. Cuthbert Allgood Nov 2019 #74
But, people do. Do they deserve to be punished? MineralMan Nov 2019 #51
Going to be somewhat contrarian here. AtheistCrusader Nov 2019 #49
That's a legalistic argument. MineralMan Nov 2019 #52
Unfortunately, ethics don't always win in Court. Blue_true Nov 2019 #64
I explained what I would do and have done with MineralMan Nov 2019 #65
I agree with you that people shouldn't use things done in trust to hurt another person, Blue_true Nov 2019 #66
I'm not sure there's a meaningful difference in this case. AtheistCrusader Nov 2019 #70
I have had many romantic relationships in my 74 years. MineralMan Nov 2019 #72
I agree, that's the ideal. AtheistCrusader Nov 2019 #76
Legal action wouldn't exactly keep them private /nt bucolic_frolic Nov 2019 #57
No, but it would provide some avenue for redress, and might discourage others. AtheistCrusader Nov 2019 #71
Consent to be photographed usually includes some sort of understanding re: the purpose. Act_of_Reparation Nov 2019 #78
And that would weigh, I think, in the subject's favor if it went to court. AtheistCrusader Nov 2019 #85
If you hand out nude photos ... left-of-center2012 Nov 2019 #53
Who does that? I'm not sure what you mean. MineralMan Nov 2019 #55
Okay, boomer. Codeine Nov 2019 #80
But, see, you're not allowed to be different. MineralMan Nov 2019 #81
Don't make any to begin with. Blue_true Nov 2019 #56
I've sent a frankly staggering number of nudes Codeine Nov 2019 #82
What I don't understand is why any woman would *want* to receive dick pics. The Velveteen Ocelot Nov 2019 #87
It's only flashing if you aren't asked. Codeine Nov 2019 #88
I would keep any photos of that type as security. Relationships can end in which one side wants to Doodley Nov 2019 #60
While the age of the internet has certainly exploded things. This is not new tulipsandroses Nov 2019 #61
I got over the nude thing long ago. Quackers Nov 2019 #62
I so wish I could send this to my former stalker... TalenaGor Nov 2019 #63
Unfortunately rownesheck Nov 2019 #67
I'm just glad customerserviceguy Nov 2019 #68
Yes, there's something to be said for that. MineralMan Nov 2019 #69

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
1. Better yet, don't take or give anybody naked pictures of yourself.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:27 PM
Nov 2019

The presumed love of your life might turn out to be a duplicitous asshole. I have no experience with naked photos of myself (I spared the world from that sight), but I do have experience with duplicitous assholes.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
4. In the olden days you could destroy the negatives and you'd probably be safe.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:33 PM
Nov 2019

Digital photography makes possible (and irretrievable) the instantaneous, worldwide distribution of your personal porn. If you intend to allow or take such photos you should assume they'll be on the Internet someday, and think twice.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
3. But, it happens. In my case, a high school girlfriend gave me a
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:31 PM
Nov 2019

Polaroid photo. She and a friend had taken pictures of each other to give their boyfriends. When we broke up, I gave it back to her. As an adult, there have been photos, as well. People do that sometimes, in the belief that the relationship will always persist.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
21. Sad to say, you're right.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:01 PM
Nov 2019

However, nothing has to be shared digitally. If it is not, it can go away, so my advice stands. Of course, once it escapes into the online world, there's no going back.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
23. It doesn't have to be shared, but it can easily be shared
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:06 PM
Nov 2019

And even if no one shares them on purpose, there's never certainty that the photos have been completely destroyed.

GumboYaYa

(5,942 posts)
6. And do everything you can to keep someone else from taking those types of pics of you
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:38 PM
Nov 2019

But not just naked pics, pics doing bong hits or drugs of any type are just as dangerous. I may have done some questionable things in my life....I did tend bar in New Orleans for five years, but no one has any pics of it.

Arkansas Granny

(31,515 posts)
27. That has been my practice. I've told my kids not to worry about running across any nude pictures
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:21 PM
Nov 2019

of Mom online or anywhere else. None were ever taken. I never trusted anyone that much.

My children have expressed their gratitude.

dewsgirl

(14,961 posts)
54. Unfortunately people make mistakes, especially in their youth.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:18 PM
Nov 2019

In the heat of the moment.
We live in a digital society were people document almost every aspect of their lives.
What scares me is those that hide their phones/devices to film these intimate moments.

SWBTATTReg

(22,114 posts)
58. Ditto...what's the purpose anyways of taking such pics? I don't understand the logic of doing...
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:34 PM
Nov 2019

this kind of thing...crazy

Cuthbert Allgood

(4,921 posts)
73. We need to prosecute those that do revenge porn.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:17 AM
Nov 2019

Doesn't it seem somewhat silly that nobody is going after the guy in this instance, but, instead, are telling the women that they need to behave a particular way. Fuck that. Take nudes if you want. And stop being an asshole that shares them with people. That seems more empowering.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
79. Nudes are fun, though.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:45 AM
Nov 2019
Sexting is great fun and has become part of the modern courtship ritual. I don’t let the fact that somebody might get an unauthorized look at my junk bother me. Dangly bits are just dangly bits.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
86. It's different for women, and especially for teenage girls.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:45 PM
Nov 2019

It’s the ultimate humiliation for a young girl to have her naked photos broadcast all over social media where everyone at her high school can see them. Kids have committed suicide over it; it’s no laughing matter at all.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
83. Absolutely
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:30 PM
Nov 2019

No risque pictures. Ever. This sh*t's been causing problems since the camera was invented. Life is long, people change, situations change.

Beringia

(4,316 posts)
5. The husband who shamed her with nude pics
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:35 PM
Nov 2019

should be the one who is shamed. But probably there are still women who don't mind being with a bad person like that.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
9. Absolutely. Digital imaging and video has made the issue much
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:44 PM
Nov 2019

more serious, in many ways. Fortunately, by the time digital imaging and the online world came long after any such things were done. Once such images or videos are not solely in one person's personal possession, there's no going back. It's a lot more dangerous now than it once was.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
10. Follow in my footsteps, as the song goes... First, don't have a relationship. That's worked out very
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:47 PM
Nov 2019

well for me in the last 20 years. Second, if you do have a relationship keep cameras out of the bedroom or whatever other place you might enjoy sexual activity. Now isn't that easy?

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
12. Not everyone does the same things.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:50 PM
Nov 2019

People do all sorts of stupid things during their lives. They shouldn't have to suffer for that for their entire lives, though.

abqtommy

(14,118 posts)
26. That's very true, but I don't have a current or previous lover spreading around pictures of
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:20 PM
Nov 2019

me in all my nekkid splendor! What we experience in life mostly comes down to good or bad choices.
Some people shouldn't have to suffer and some people should. Whoever said that life is fair is mistaken, so it's up to each of us to create the best life possible for ourselves, I think.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
59. Bingo. On the freaking mark. Exacto. Any other description of a perfect answer.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:46 PM
Nov 2019

People can't use something that you were never a part of against you.

RobinA

(9,888 posts)
84. When You Do Certain Things
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:36 PM
Nov 2019

you assume the risk. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that compromising pictures can end up in the wrong hands. To me this is basic. Sometimes you can't do what you feel like doing because of the possible result. Personally, I'd like to jump in the next police car I see idling, hit the lights and sirens and jet off down the street. I don't, because I might get in big trouble. Such is life.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
11. I remember a lover of mine once suggesting making a video of us.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:49 PM
Nov 2019

I was very much in love with her at the time, but I was shocked at the suggestion. It really made me wonder. I made it clear that wasn’t something I wanted to do.

I ended up being so grateful for that decision of mine. She turned out not to be such a nice person. I later found out she had videos of numerous “hook-ups,” but thank god she never had one of me.

Just the suggestion of such a thing was a turn off for me.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
13. You were wise. Not everyone is.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:53 PM
Nov 2019

Still, one shouldn't have to suffer consequences for not being wise at one time or another.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
15. I suppose you're right, but I don't know.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:56 PM
Nov 2019

I’ve suffered consequences for stupid decisions - fair or not - I deserved it.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
19. Well, thinking about that young freshman congress person,
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:59 PM
Nov 2019

what she had planned is now in the garbage heap. It's too bad. I happened on one of the photos that was printed in a British tabloid. It's really pretty innocuous. I'm a little surprised she took the step she took, but that was her decision. The man who released the photos should live in public shame for the rest of his life.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
22. Maybe it's generational - but I don't understand the whole "let's take pictures of us doing this" th
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:04 PM
Nov 2019

What's wrong with just knowing you did it and having fond memories of it?

It seems to me the primary point of the photos is to show them to someone else who wasn't there at the time. And, if that's the case, why be surprised if other people see the photos you took? And if that's not the case, still why be surprised if third parties see the photos you took since that's often what happens to photographs ... other people can see them?

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
24. I'm with you.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:10 PM
Nov 2019

I don't get it, maybe it's because my opinion of human nature is not particularly favorable. Also, I don't even like having my picture taken with clothes ON, yet alone with them off. I have never taken a selfie. It's not that I am awful looking, it's just that I am extremely self-critical. I don't even like mirrors.

 

StarfishSaver

(18,486 posts)
30. Like I said, maybe it's generational - there seems to be a sense among some
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:31 PM
Nov 2019

that, unless you take a picture of it on your own phone, somehow you didn't really fully experience the event.

I'm always amused when I see people at an event that's being covered on television holding up their phones and so busy photographing everything that happens they certainly can't really be enjoying the moment. I wonder why they don't just get one of the gazillions of photos being taken or set their dvd to record it?

Maybe that's how people feel about intimacy now. Unless they have pictures of it, it didn't really have the whole experience.

Collimator

(1,639 posts)
40. Yes! Very well said!
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:33 PM
Nov 2019

Even before the rise of camera phones I read an article about a group of people who were attending a major football game in a luxury suite box.

The writer noted that he and the older crowd were watching the game below them through the window in front of them. All the younger people were staring at the television screen with their backs to the actual game.

Boomer

(4,168 posts)
45. Me, too
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:54 PM
Nov 2019

Actually I'm pretty close to being that old lady. Okay, maybe not quite that old, but getting closer every year.

I love browsing the internet, and I use a computer that I built myself, but my iPhone stays in my purse and I rarely use it. I enjoy the convenience of being able to make a phone when necessary, especially since phone booths are rare, but I don't do any of the selfie or filming of life around me. I enjoy the moment.

tblue37

(65,340 posts)
77. People post pics of their lunch or their coffee! Nothing is real to some people unless there's a
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:24 AM
Nov 2019

photo or a video of it.

A lot of people live their lives as though life is nothing but a series of photo ops.

I think of all the experiences that people don't inhabit in the moment because they are too busy videotaping or photographing them, so that those special events are never experienced unmediated.

Hermit-The-Prog

(33,340 posts)
14. silly Mineral -- you MONETIZE!
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:56 PM
Nov 2019

Don't be passing up profit opportunities. You some kind of socialismist or something?!?
Ask yourself, "What would George Popadopoulos do?"







Oops! My hat fell off for a minute. Red waves all around me.

MurrayDelph

(5,294 posts)
17. 22 years ago, I had a friend
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 03:58 PM
Nov 2019

who after going through a rough divorce was feeling unattractive.

To help convince her otherwise, I took of bunch of "cheesecake" photos: bikini, miniskirts, unbuttoned blouse with all the good parts covered, but no actual nudity.

Or so I thought. When I got the negatives back, I discovered one shot had accidentally captured more of her than either of us had intended.

She's owned the negatives (and all prints of that shot) for 22 years.

TheBlackAdder

(28,189 posts)
20. I had a couple of Polaroids of only one GF. I left them with her when we separated.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:01 PM
Nov 2019

.

That was the only time I took pictures of a GF/spouse, which were with her consent.

It's just stuff you don't need risking getting out there.

.

CTyankee

(63,912 posts)
25. I'm no prude but I just don't understand why one has to do this at all in a relationship...
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:18 PM
Nov 2019

I have a wonderful marriage and this idea never occurred to either of us. Of course, we are old now so we are out of touch with what people do in relationships. I never even kept love letters (I had some with my first husband but they were pretty tame and of course once I we were divorced I put them in a bag and put the bag in the dumpster. Even if someone had read them they would be pretty standard stuff by today's standards...

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
29. a few years after I was divorced
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:28 PM
Nov 2019

back in 2000, I found some topless photos my ex-wife had dared me to take back in 1997 or 1998 in happier times. They were stashed in a box in the basement of my home at the time. These were before digital photographs, so had the negatives as well. I threw them and the negatives out. While it wasn't a terribly bitter/angry divorce and we didn't have kids - thankfully - we lost touch with each other after 2001 or so, so didn't really have a way to reach out to her about the pictures (who knows, maybe she would have wanted them?)













tandem5

(2,072 posts)
31. We had more command over the execution of our ethics in the 20th
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:35 PM
Nov 2019

century than we do in the 21st. Cloud distribution is far more insidious than most people realize and low level control over the deletion of data (most especially on mobile devices) is, for the average consumer, black box. To make matters worse it's not simply a matter of opting out -- you have to first identify cloud sharing that may not fall under recognizable categories. For instance if you have a windows machine the built-in malware protection, unless you explicitly opt out, will upload your personal data to their service, if it deems it an unknown threat. You might not give this a second thought, but it is widely accepted that Russia uses Kaspersky's antivirus to dragnet for classified information. In the case of Katie Hill, undoubtedly she was the victim of her husband's malice, but if you and your partner utilize electronic technology to share intimate information, it should be understood that the trust relationship involves three parties not two: you, your partner, and the digital infrastructure.

Wounded Bear

(58,648 posts)
32. Good, sound advice...
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:39 PM
Nov 2019

and I think most people would follow it, though those who won't follow it won't listen, sadly.

I suspect we're in a phase of undergoing the very painful exercise of redefining our attitudes towards nudity in general. We really need to get over our Puritan roots, they are pretty untenable. Much like the "outing" of LGBTQ folks of the last generation, I think we're growing a generation of people for whom nudity will become much more of a non-issue.

In many ways, it's the 'forbidden fruit' syndrome. That which is forbidden becomes more desirable. If public nudity were legal and more common, things like this wouldn't matter.

Back to the OT, though, this deals with matters of personal privacy and violations of that. The internet has released the inner troll in many, many people.

lostnfound

(16,177 posts)
33. Mineral Man, this is why I adore you. Even though....
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:41 PM
Nov 2019

You use Facebook 😆

I feel exactly the same way. You loved someone once , you honor the gift forever. You don’t succumb to demeaning feelings of revenge.

I rebel against the tyranny of time.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
36. He's a great guy
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:02 PM
Nov 2019

but, way too many men (and some women) do succumb to those feelings of revenge... especially with digital photography and email/text and other things like Snapchat/WhatsApp around. It's very easy for somebody that is very upset to just hit "send" - back in the old days (see my post in this thread), if you wanted do get revenge on somebody, you'd need to bring the negatives in to a place to development the photographs and then manually put them in the mail.

jaysunb

(11,856 posts)
34. A friend of my son worked at Best Buy repairing phones.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:41 PM
Nov 2019

He had quite a collection by the time he was fired for trying to make contact w/ one of the young women.

question everything

(47,476 posts)
35. You do not put nude or explicit photos on line, on your phone, ever
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 04:46 PM
Nov 2019

Because they will become public. If not by your former significant other, by hackers.

For that matter - you should realize that anything you post online can be made public.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
37. I've been deprived in life...
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:05 PM
Nov 2019

Never had a girlfriend in my whole life who would have even entertained the conversation of being preserved on film...

mn9driver

(4,425 posts)
38. I've never understood why people initiate or consent to digital images of this sort
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:22 PM
Nov 2019

Especially using an internet enabled device. The potential for disaster is just a finger swipe away. Think, people.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
43. Well, everyone is different. Here's a story that illustrates that:
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:50 PM
Nov 2019

In the mid 1980s, I took a film-making class at the local community college. I did that because I was writing a marine biology paper about a tide pool fish that changed colors depending on the background where it was. The behavior wasn't described in the literature for that species, so it was a cool thing to document. I needed to make a video to show the process in action, and I didn't own a camcorder at the time. So, I took the class so I could do a close-up video of the fish changing colors. But that's a different story.

Most of the students were much younger than I was and were trying to learn "artistic" film-making. I was an exception, since I was trying to learn how to do documentary nature videography. I reallly had to figure it out for myself, but I was a still photographer, so it wasn't that difficult.

Anyhow the class ran for a semester. The last class of the semester was a showcase for all the students, who presented their finished videos. Mine, sadly, got a ho-hum response, but polite applause, although it was a minor hit with my marine biology acquaintances. Anyhow, most of the videos were beginner artistic creations. The entire class, along with friends, etc., showed up for the viewing. Polite applause was the order of the day.

Toward the end of the student presentations, a 20-something woman who was one of the students showed her video. Keep in mind that it was shown on a 36" CRT TV. It was the 80s, after all. Anyhow, her video was a bunch of people her age dancing on a beach in the light of a full moon, wearing diaphanous robes. A musical score accompanied the video. When it ended, she got the polite applause we all got from the students and guests who had shown up. After each presentation, the budding film-maker took questions. However, something happened to disrupt the Q&A for that film-maker.

About 30 seconds after her beach dancing video ended, something else came on the screen. Apparently, she had recorded the video on a VHS tape that already had content on it. Suddenly, the scene changed. The black screen became a video of her and her boyfriend, who was also in attendance, engaged in a sexual act. The audience reacted with a sort of shock, followed by laughter. The young woman was standing there expecting questions, and didn't get it for about 30 seconds. She turned around, saw what was on the TV, and hit the stop button as fast as she could.

Then, she turned back to face the audience, her face bright red. After about 10 seconds, she smiled at the audience and shrugged. More laughter ensued, and she sat down next to her boyfriend, who seemed unsure what to do. The next presenter stepped up and showed the next video.

It was a different time. After all the videos had been shown, to the polite applause of the gathered audience, the class broke up and set to the snacks and beverages that had been brought. The film-maker of the accidental sex video and her boyfriend stuck around and everyone laughed some more about what had happened.

Bottom line: it was not that big a deal, really. It was a mistake, and pretty much everyone just shrugged it off, just as the young woman did. Stuff happens.

PJMcK

(22,035 posts)
39. Agreed whole heartedly
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:22 PM
Nov 2019

This issue only occurred once in my life.

During college in the mid-1970s, my then girlfriend and I spent a wonderful afternoon drinking wine, smoking a joint and making out. I had this little Kodak Instamatic camera with those flash cubes and we took some pictures of the two of us in flagrante.

By the next day, I had forgotten about them and must have thrown the film cartridge in a drawer.

Ten years later, I found the cartridge but didn’t remember where it was from. I dropped it off at a one-hour developer and when I picked up the pictures, I was puzzled by the quizzical look the clerk gave me.

Needless to say, I was startled to discover the pictures!

So I called the ex-girlfriend, with whom I remain friendly with even till now, and told her about the discovery. We met for a drink and I gave her the prints and the negatives. She sipped her wine as she flipped through the photos. After a few minutes, she asked if I was free for the evening. Since I was married at the time, I had to decline the invitation.

Another ten years later, she mailed one print to me and wrote that she had burned the rest so her husband and kids would never find them. After a moment of reminiscing, I did the same for much the same reasons.

With the advent of digital imagery, it’s far too easy to lose control of one’s content. There are too many people who have strange behaviors. One cannot provide such levers of influence for people who don’t share the morals expressed by MineralMan in his OP.

IronLionZion

(45,433 posts)
41. Send them to Daily Mail
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:34 PM
Nov 2019


I've never understood the cruelty and vindictive nature of some folks. I deleted nude photos of a mentally unstable ex who I don't like now but at some point used to love.

People who trust services like Snapchat clearly don't work in IT or cyber security.

mudstump

(342 posts)
46. The only way to make sure they are never seen.....
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 05:59 PM
Nov 2019

Don't take nude photos of yourself. You are stupid if you do so don't blame anyone else when they are shared.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
49. Going to be somewhat contrarian here.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:10 PM
Nov 2019

In a public space, you have no expectation of privacy. If you snap a photo of trump with his unruly hedgehog thing of a hair piece flapped up in the wind, he can go fucking pound sand asswards if he demands you delete it. It's not his photo, he has no control of it, it was taken where he had no reasonable expectation of privacy (say getting off Marine 1).

Nude pics in private... whose are they? If the hostile party possesses them, was there an agreement that these never be shared? This is literally a copyright issue. If they weren't taken with permission, then that should be legally actionable. If they were taken with permission, it's down to the copyright agreement between the subject and photo-holder. (Which could be verbal.)

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
64. Unfortunately, ethics don't always win in Court.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:34 PM
Nov 2019

If someone has a nude photo of a second person who seems to be willingly participating in the making of the photo, the photo owner has the advantage unless there is some type of documentation that the photos were never to be shared. The photo holder can clearly be proven to be an overall scumbag in Court, but that means nothing if none of that impinges on the issue of whether consent to share the photos were given. The best way to control explicit photos is to never take them or allow anyone else to take them.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
65. I explained what I would do and have done with
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:38 PM
Nov 2019

such material. I did not say or imply that everyone would do the same. Clearly, some use such material to harm others. They should not.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
66. I agree with you that people shouldn't use things done in trust to hurt another person,
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:45 PM
Nov 2019

but it happens and the law is often powerless to do anything about it.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
70. I'm not sure there's a meaningful difference in this case.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:08 AM
Nov 2019

And it's not unique to nude photos.

I want my ring back.
I want my kids back.
I want the dog back.

etc.

Shared property is a bitch to unwind post-breakup/divorce. In many cases, you've suddenly, or maybe slowly over time, become bitter enemies with your previously most trusted confidant and co-conspirator. People who run afoul of revenge pron laws aren't mistaken, or unclear on the law, or anything else. They're trying to damage the other person from the dead relationship as much as possible.

Revenge porn is frankly, just one subset of a vast and time tested variety of ways people try to harm each other as much as possible after a relationship dies.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
72. I have had many romantic relationships in my 74 years.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:14 AM
Nov 2019

Those that have ended were ended without rancor. Relationships end, but they do not have to end in anger, nor do the require retribution for wrongs, real or imagined.

I remain on good terms with all of the people from those relationships. In some cases, we remain friends. In others, we are not in touch, but have never tried to hurt each other in any way.

That's important to me, and always has been. It lets relationships teach us things without becoming bitter when those relationships end.

Personally, I think it all starts when the relationship begins. I've tried to avoid relationships with volatile people.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
76. I agree, that's the ideal.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:20 AM
Nov 2019

I've only ever had one relationship, and now I have to figure out what to do for a 20 year anniversary. But it's never a good idea to use ourselves as an example for anything. People don't always know how to let go of an ended relationship, until conditions have become unbearable, and the other party has become 'the villain'.

And then, the war is on...


My parents were a good example, and it didn't end until my dad finally died of cancer, thankfully. It might not have been 'the norm' back then, but it was common enough that it didn't even raise eyebrows. (Thankfully, times are changing.)

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
71. No, but it would provide some avenue for redress, and might discourage others.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:09 AM
Nov 2019

That's about all that laws do (for us non-1% mere mortals, anyway.)

Act_of_Reparation

(9,116 posts)
78. Consent to be photographed usually includes some sort of understanding re: the purpose.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:33 AM
Nov 2019

Most photo releases include some sort of clause indicating whether or not the photos will be distributed and what they will be used for in such a case. One could argue that the majority of such nudes are taken with the subject understanding they are for private use, not distribution.

AtheistCrusader

(33,982 posts)
85. And that would weigh, I think, in the subject's favor if it went to court.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:05 PM
Nov 2019

I doubt you'd find a jury in the land that would default to assume the agreement was 'go ahead and plaster them wherever'.

Blue_true

(31,261 posts)
56. Don't make any to begin with.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:24 PM
Nov 2019

Anytime a person does a photographic or camera nude, they are at someone else's mercy.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
82. I've sent a frankly staggering number of nudes
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:27 PM
Nov 2019

to multiple people over the last fifteen-ish years and it’s never been an issue. Nudes are fun, sexting is fun, naughty flirting is fun.

I’ve received an equally enormous number of nudes in return and I’ve never shown them around or used them as blackmail, which tells me that nudes aren’t the issue, but rather interacting with assholes is what causes the problem.

The Velveteen Ocelot

(115,683 posts)
87. What I don't understand is why any woman would *want* to receive dick pics.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 05:12 PM
Nov 2019

It's just electronic flashing and it's gross.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
88. It's only flashing if you aren't asked.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 07:10 PM
Nov 2019

Some women like looking at dicks. Sometimes they’re “evaluating”, as it were. Obviously I can’t say for certain as I’m barely able to comprehend the psychology of my own gender.

Doodley

(9,088 posts)
60. I would keep any photos of that type as security. Relationships can end in which one side wants to
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:49 PM
Nov 2019

hurt the other or get as much money as possible. Photos can be an insurance policy against that.

tulipsandroses

(5,124 posts)
61. While the age of the internet has certainly exploded things. This is not new
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:51 PM
Nov 2019

[link:https://www.theatlantic.com/technology/archive/2014/02/our-best-weapon-against-revenge-porn-copyright-law/283564/|

The Origins of Revenge Porn
Moore may have been the “King of Revenge Porn,” but he wasn’t the first contender for the throne.

In 1980, someone at Hustler Magazine had the idea to start Beaver Hunt, a contest that published reader-submitted images of naked women. Beaver Hunt photos were often accompanied by details about the woman: her hobbies, her sexual fantasies, and sometimes her name. Some of the photos were stolen. Exes submitted many more.

Throughout the '80s, women sued Hustler for publishing their photos in Beaver Hunt without their permission. Several courts determined that publishing intimate photos without verifying whether the pictured women actually gave the go-ahead gave the false impression that all of the featured women felt comfortable with their pictures appearing in a “coarse and sex-centered magazine.”

Quackers

(2,256 posts)
62. I got over the nude thing long ago.
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 06:52 PM
Nov 2019

I think once the army had us using group outhouses together, I’ve never gotten embarrassed again. Seriously, 8 of us sitting, side by side on outhouse toilets, touching elbows, and 5 more guys waiting in line for each toilet. We’re not talking about taking a leak either.

In regards to my nudes, I don’t care what my wife does with them if we split. I refuse to let anyone hold power over me like that.

TalenaGor

(1,104 posts)
63. I so wish I could send this to my former stalker...
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 07:31 PM
Nov 2019

But he finally shut up after 2 years I'm not about to contact him

We had a thing.... He had pictures.... Red flags went up I ended the thing.... Then the stalking began and went on for over 2 years.... He contacted me using VoIP services on probably 30 or more phone numbers.... I had them blocked I reported him to the companies, I sent cease and desist letters twice....I did everything I could I contacted authorities and victims groups I changed all my profiles online because he found me everywhere including here on DU....(this is why I look like a somewhat new account)

I nearly had a full-on breakdown over it.... I hadn't responded to him in years but he still contacted me several times a day one way or another.. he always found a way.....And he absolutely refused to delete my pictures...

Finally about two years ago he actually stopped......but as far as I know he still has those pictures and I worry every day that he's going to do something with them...

rownesheck

(2,343 posts)
67. Unfortunately
Fri Nov 1, 2019, 08:52 PM
Nov 2019

a large chunk of people are assholes after a relationship ends. I'm glad I've always been embarrassed of showing certain parts of my body so there are no nudes of me floating around.

I'm still trying to figure out a way to be intimate while fully clothed.

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