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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI think its time to boycott Facebook.
If you think you can't deal with the inconvenience of actually using email and phone calls to keep in touch - try imagining the inconvenience of living under Trump's fascist theocracy.
Zuckerberg has neither the will nor the ability to fact-check what is posted on Facebook and it will be used to continue the campaign of fake news that got him elected in 2016.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)maxsolomon
(33,327 posts)Did you delete your account?
Did you ever have one?
milestogo
(16,829 posts)I have had an account for about a year and am not a heavy user.
At this point I am committing to not using Facebook at all until they take responsibility for their advertising. If you don't log in, they don't make revenue from the advertising.
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LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)I dont know how many years it has been now. Facebook is infested with idiots. It was interesting at first because I reconnected with some old friends, but I wished I hadnt reconnected with some. I got the email and phone numbers of the people I liked and left Facebook behind.
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BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)Don't use it. Period. Fuckerberg is a corrupt, greedy bastard who is unAmerican and is aiding the fucking moron so he can pocket the profits. He is acting like a GOP politician (greed and power rules everything they touch). Never had Fakebook or Twitter and never will.
we can do it
(12,184 posts)Make actual human contact, not shitty post a pic and expect people to gawk at it. Or expect family to show up/respond with no actual invitation or notice. Rude and lazy.
zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)this is rarely an effective strategy. Boycotts are difficult and in this case it is mostly a case of leaving the medium to the right wing nut jobs. Quite honestly, the more effective strategy is to engage, engage, engage. Not so much confront as it is to merely point out falsehoods and shortcomings. Expose bots, challenge shills, and generally question everything. Avoid advocacy and merely challenge falsehood.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)zipplewrath
(16,646 posts)I've got an old high school girlfriend on Facebook that post right wing nonsense. I respond as calmly and non confrontational as I can with facts mostly. I occasionally even include conservative voices and quotes that conflict with the OP's. It's not going to change her but the number of "likes" and such that come from the others reading her screed indicate that the truth is being heard by people who are slightly more open to facts.
jimlup
(7,968 posts)what the hell? Facebook ... there exist alternatives. Like the fucking www. Get real people do you really need facebook to hold your hand? Time to grow up.
Amishman
(5,557 posts)And encourage others to do the same.
Facebook is a cesspool and we are better off without it.
democratisphere
(17,235 posts)Fakebook is a sea of rethuglicon lies, propaganda and massive corruption.
BigMin28
(1,176 posts)I dont miss it. And the fact that Facebook uses Breitbart to fact check now tells me Facebook and Zuckerberg are not to be trusted. He may as well invite the trump administration to fact check.
dweller
(23,629 posts)i don't see ads other than local business ads, and i have the option to block any ad from anyone ... i don't even see ads except once every few weeks my feed will show local business ads for about a day and then quits (i block them all)
then i just see friend's posts ...
i only use it to speak with a few friends and family, anyone outside that small domain is either linked to or posted by friend/family , i.e. no strangers on my page... uh i mean wall, whatever ...
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Skittles
(153,160 posts)there ARE other ways
progressoid
(49,988 posts)Some of us live in far flung regions and with Facebook private groups we can communicate as a group. And even locally, it comes in handy.
I'm in two local Democratic groups that are private. And a couple more for my work. We use them to coordinate functions, spread the word about candidates, for general chat, etc. It's easy to get people to join because they often already have a FB account. Until another platform becomes widespread and easy to use (a lot of our local Dems are of a certain age and don't do well with technological changes), we plan on sticking with FB despite it's failings.
dweller
(23,629 posts)they are available to talk...
FB is just a means to share with each other and others as well episodes of our day that interupting their day is not necessary
for example, my daughter has just had twins, she posts pics and expresses her
joy and satisfaction of new motherhood so all her friends can see it... if i didn't have FB, i wouldn't see that unless she sent me a txt also.. i suppose she could but she has her hands full already, so i get to share in that experience with many others...
as another example,
i'm friends with a person i used to work with years ago, her posts show on my wall... most times i don't feel a need to comment but i did tonite on a post ...
she only shows on my wall every other month or so, my comment is just a validation that i still see her and care about her... would i call to tell her so?
probably not.. we aren't that close, ex workmates, but i can let her know i see her and recognize her presence in my life still... she could shut off my contact anytime, as could i ... we don't and are both, i guess, ok with that... but i commented on her post, and she liked it 🙏🏻
i post many "political" cartoons, comments and statements on my FB wall ...
i never have any negative comments on them, and actually only few likes back from my FB friends, which leads me to believe
1- they are as a group with few exceptions, not using FB for political purposes or
2- the few friends i have on FB have unfriended me, which doesn't worry me at all...
in a way it's like noticing you, Skittles, have not placed me on ignore, nor i you, nor would i ever 😍 ... but it's still a bit of validation to know you exist in this cyberspace of DU (and haven't put me on ignore)
FB is like that too, just with family and friends who actually know me ..
now, kick my ass if you must, but i must tell you i'd consider it an honor
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Skittles
(153,160 posts)I really wish people would just get away from that piece of shit site
dalton99a
(81,475 posts)by wanting to know everything about you/your friends/your friend's friends/...
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)Last edited Tue Nov 5, 2019, 02:09 AM - Edit history (1)
I never got the idea of boycotts...they more often than not fail..and in some cases backfire...
FaceBook isn't going to suffer a penny loss if EVERY member here boycotts....
No it won't send a message, it won't show them we care, it won't do squat...
We just had a major shitshow storm here in Upstate N.Y....Halloween night.
We got creamed... ass kicked really....washed out roads, no phone, no electricity...but some of us had FB to keep up to date with our family and friends when we had no other means.
Right now I still have no house phone and it may not come back for another week....but I can keep in touch with my family with FB....and I know not to believe bullshit.
LeftInTX
(25,296 posts)My phone texting plan won't allow more than 10 in a group, so we chat via FB Messenger. Also the FB Messenger chatting occurs simultaneously via phone and computer. (Can't do that with SMS texting).
Most of the people in my group live within 20 miles of me.
For one-to-one connections or family, I will usually SMS text or call, but for groups over 10 I rely on FB Messenger. Other group text apps are Group Me and Slack.
Srkdqltr
(6,276 posts)I block The ones that annoy me. I don't see any political adds except from who I have allowed. I have never seen Republican adds. What pages do all of these "hair on fire" let's boycott people go to?
Srkdqltr
(6,276 posts)Hair on fire, omg isn't it awful, let's boycott, conspiracy people here. Very fun to read but not get swept up in the hysteria. 😊😊😊😊😊
Proud Liberal Dem
(24,412 posts)This is the thing that I don't get about people accusing Facebook of bias: The user (us) largely controls the content we see. We friend who we want to friend, block or refuse to follow those we want. The biggest problem I see with Facebook, Twitter, etc. is more what happens when certain individuals become abusive and the social media platform admins refuse to take matters seriously and allow them to continue to abuse and bully their victims. Twitter, for example, is being reluctant to take down some white supremacist/white nationalist pages simply because it would also take down some pages for Republicans, which is seriously disturbing/problematic in and of itself. Or when Facebook takes down people's pages and/or ban ("zucc" ) them for 30 days because some "algorithm" said that some content was offensive, inappropriate, etc., which is often subjective. Like I think that Facebook will now be banning the usage of some emojis on Facebook posts because they might be used in a "suggestive" way. That's just stupid and petty stuff. Those are the sort of things that annoy me. A lot of these problems are endemic to pretty much all of the major social media platforms, not just Facebook, although it's obviously the more ubiquitous of them all.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)I'm on FB every day and I still vote Democratic.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)And Facebook is a major tool in spreading fake news. Its not about you being misinformed. Its about the people who use Facebook as their sole source of information, and that includes millions of people.
Fascism sucks.
aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)milestogo
(16,829 posts)aikoaiko
(34,169 posts)in a way that its not weird on FB.
The thing about FB life is that you can take it or leave it. I can respond to my friends' pictures of meals, cats, dogs, kids, and politics or not. Its not the same with emails or phone calls.
FB has really been a good thing in my life. It allowed me to reconnect with people that I would never have talked to again.
I get it that we have a problem with misinformation and elections, but that will be there with or without FB.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)do a 1,00 of your so called "friends" care what you had for dinner?
Coventina
(27,115 posts)LeftInTX
(25,296 posts)It is a business promo thing, but it can promote small businesses that want/need the promo. I have 350 friends, occasionally I tag businesses...some of my friends tag businesses where they get cool costume jewelry etc, (thank you very much!!!) we also tag yummy Mexican bakeries and soul food restaurants etc. The jewelry ones are always popular...
Over the weekend, I went to a local Dia De Los Muertos event. I took pictures and was tagging the event. I will probably return to this specific event next year..The pictures promote the event...
LAS14
(13,783 posts)... he his undermining our democracy. His assertion that people should decide for themselves what's true is such utter clueless nonsense he needs to be sent to his room. People use trusted purveyors of news to help them decide what's true. FB is so big lots of people think what's on it is to be trusted. STOP HIM!!! Just because you don't see ads doesn't mean that millions of others don't.
dweller
(23,629 posts)search his name on FB
i did and found his page, didn't join, but you could ...
tell him what you want
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milestogo
(16,829 posts)MuseRider
(34,108 posts)I have a few R friends. The rabid, nasty ones I have mostly blocked, the people not blocked and I have an understanding. I do not see their stuff and I have put them off the list of people who see mine. There are a few relatives who I do not engage on any level other than personal and we made that pact a long time ago
I blocked ads and all the crap that is not safe anyway so it is an easy place for me almost all the time. Do I want to support Zuckerwhatever? No but I live many miles from almost all the people I care about and it is invaluable to me. I am not one for multiple hours on the phone or phone calls with multiple people on the line.
BTW, anyone who uses FB to get into other places is crazy. Anyone who pays for anything through FB is crazy. It is just so easy to use I suppose but really, it is easy to not use them for that as well.
Change your PW frequently and in all these years have had no problem.
I understand not wanting to support it but there are those of us who use it carefully who have no problems (so far anyway in 11 years) who are happy to have the place to chat.
cwydro
(51,308 posts)They all love FB, and thats how we stay in touch.
Ive never seen any right wing crap on my page; all my friends are Dems, some from DU.
Its just a friendly place for me and my family to post pictures of daily life. That being said, Ive been inactive there for quite some time.
Dont get those who call it a cesspool. It might be time to cull your friend list if thats the case.
Dirty Socialist
(3,252 posts)By posting stories like Danny Deutsch getting his ass handed to him by a Danish billionaire
VarryOn
(2,343 posts)Jarqui
(10,123 posts)GulfCoast66
(11,949 posts)From what little I see with my family and friends is is mainly showing off all the cool things you are doing mixed in with a little bit of keeping in touch.
Never found keeping in touch through emails, texts, phone calls and actually visiting to be a problem.
I find my life to be amazingly interesting. But realize most others do not share that opinion.
warmfeet
(3,321 posts)several years ago.
I won't return.
OnlinePoker
(5,719 posts)I also installed (on Firefox - don't know if it's available elsewhere) Facebook Container. This blocks FB from following you around the net even if you don't have FB installed. Any page you visit that has a FB share button will tell them you were there and they'll still have your data.
House of Roberts
(5,168 posts)that I locked down with nearly zero access five years ago. Then I lost my Comcast email addys, when I quit them. Now I don't have the passwords and can't retrieve them because I don't have access to those Comcast emails where F'book would send my passwords.
So, I'm done with them.
Scruffy1
(3,256 posts)What we really need is not for profit sharing sites. Anytime a company makes the dough they do they can afford to be arrogant and I never liked the idea of them selling personal information.
wasupaloopa
(4,516 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)Now that Twitter has set an example of a clear alternative, that bumped me off the fence.
Orrex
(63,208 posts)and everyone they know, and everyone they know were to boycott Facebook, it wouldn't even make a noticeable blip in their bottom line.
I'm all in favor of semi-invisible acts of principle, but it's ultimately a waste of effort that'll have no impact whatsoever.
It's a lot like trying to hold back the tide with a pitchfork.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Orrex
(63,208 posts)Facebook has around 1.5 billion active daily users and 2.41 billion active monthly users, but I'm sure that your principled boycott will really teach Zuckerberg a lesson.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)ramen
(790 posts)Either drops in the bucket amount to a flood or it's each of us for one's self.
I really, really hope it is the latter. Apart from the vehicle that particular social media platform provides for profoundly fake news, it cheapens actual human connection, gives false impression of community, and promotes the worst type of keeping up with the Joneses we have had. I just don't want any part of it.. I don't want or need it, and would love it if more bit on that position.
$.02
milestogo
(16,829 posts)Orrex
(63,208 posts)Whereas 1.49 billion people do check Facebook multiple times daily. And they get immediate social interaction and feedback from Facebook, but not from voting.
I'm not telling anyone that they have to use Facebook, because certainly they do not, but just as certainly their boycott won't make even a tiny bit of difference to that colossal worldwide corporation.
RainCaster
(10,870 posts)That method will keep the trolls from cloning my ID and going crazy. Plus, FB has to keep storing a shit ton of photos for me that way.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)you will be contributing to a growing message to Zuckerberg. Make the message public. Wait a week before deleting.
RainCaster
(10,870 posts)FB and my firm are talking.
Catch2.2
(629 posts)Haven't missed it one bit! I encourage others to do the same.
defacto7
(13,485 posts)I know what they do and how they do it. If someone thinks they're more savey than the FB model, administrators and coders they'd better think again. You can't use facebook without being used no matter how special or safeguarded someone may think they are. You've made an admirable choice, but I really admire people who live how they talk and vote with the choices they make, and dumping FB is a vote against the corruption of democracy.
we can do it
(12,184 posts)Skittles
(153,160 posts)my opinion of people who were NEVER sucked into the FB Borg is even higher than the ones who end up ditching it
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)time, but you are not "using Facebook." It is using you. See PBS Frontline that aired tonight on Artificial Intelligence. It is astounding where this is going.
LeftInTX
(25,296 posts)AI is everywhere....It's even on Netflix.................
Now almost all news sites are banning adblockers. Although I ignore the ads, disabling ad blockers provides more info gathering opportunity.
I stopped using facebook 3 years ago and Ive never regretted, that business is not good for our country.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Sure, people occasionally, well.. too often.. post foodie pics and airport pics..
But I use it to keep track of friends, acquaintances and colleagues in the world of classical music..happenings, equipment/instruments for sale, discussions on innumerable topics...-- info about my own particular interest... many well-known artists throughout the world.... and many not so well-known...
I never get or see ANY crappy posts-- I have no right wing friends... I get no lying ads... nada
I do however, understand other people's concerns...
luvallpeeps
(935 posts)They_Live
(3,232 posts)at the inception.
Blue Owl
(50,356 posts)And you're all outta bubble gum!
They_Live
(3,232 posts)Formaldehyde face!
NRaleighLiberal
(60,014 posts)Olafjoy
(937 posts)Dont miss it one bit. Facebook is the evil empire.
usaf-vet
(6,181 posts)...in our elections. I will honor this part of my oath....defend against all enemies foreign (Russians) and domestic (Trump, GOP, and now Facebook).
mahina
(17,649 posts)Outa there.
AncientGeezer
(2,146 posts)I never got the idea of boycotts...they more often than not fail..and in some cases backfire...
FaceBook isn't going to suffer a penny loss if EVERY member here boycotts....
No it won't send a message, it won't show them we care, it won't do squat...
We just had a major shitshow storm here in Upstate N.Y....Halloween night.
We got creamed... ass kicked really....washed out roads, no phone, no electricity...but some of us had FB to keep up to date with our family and friends when we had no other means.
Right now I still have no house phone and it may not come back for another week....but I can keep in touch with my family with FB....and I know not to believe bullshit.
we can do it
(12,184 posts)rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)pintobean
(18,101 posts)There's fake news all over the internet, including here. I'm sure it won't be swaying my vote.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)We should say STOP when a major purveyor of information has no checks on the kind of advertising they sell. Join the #DeleteFacebook movement. Help send a message.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)Captain Stern
(2,201 posts)I enjoy facebook.
I never see any political ads and none of my friends post pro-trump stuff. However, I am exposed to a lot of interesting things from my friends that I may not have otherwise ever seen.
Besides, I don't see how me boycotting something that I enjoy, keeps other people from seeing, and believing, fake news.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)I don't want to start yet another FB thread to ask this question, so hopefully people will see this and reply.
Are the family and friends you want to stay in touch with, for the most part, of like mind/heart as you? Are they Trumpers? Are they the "I don't do politics" types?
radical noodle
(8,000 posts)I keep in touch with via Facebook. Most of my friends on Facebook are people who hate trump. The few exceptions are old classmates that I still chat with occasionally. I belong to several liberal and anti-trump groups on Facebook. I also belong to groups that relate to my hobbies and other interests. I have many international friends on Facebook as well. For those reasons, I have no intention to boycott Facebook.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)LeftInTX
(25,296 posts)I have a few Republican family members and friends, but they don't post much politics. You can also select which friends read your posts.
I'm a Democratic Precinct Chair and I have a busy calendar with everything going on. Facebook is how so much of what we do is scheduled.
I'm always getting invites to local events/protests/campaign events etc. etc. It's also how our elected officials announce their town halls. I'm represented by a Democratic Congressman, State Senator, State Rep, and County Commissioner. My local city council rep and mayor are progressive. (I live in San Antonio) Facebook is also great for local civil engagement. Local government is always announcing volunteer opportunities via Facebook. It's how alot of our local progressive groups organize.
I'm also FB friends with numerous elected Democrats and candidates. I also follow and like all my elected officials.
We're kicking off campaign reelection events via Facebook.
For me it's mostly about connecting.
I'm also in a few hobby groups that involve Gardening and Genealogy.
I'm not giving it up. I don't care much for Zuckerberg, because I find his "connecting people" to be disingenuous because Zuckerberg is all about business, not about "creating relationships".
Google is actually much worse. I'm not giving up Google either. I'm not throwing my Android phone away..I'm not giving up YouTube... (YouTube is a RW cesspool)
Also I'm not Boycotting Amazon either.
Also I'm not boycotting Microsoft......(Although I don't use their stupid browsers!!!!)
If you wonder if FB is for you and aren't a member and don't have a reason to join, then it probably isn't worth it.
However if there are certain hobbies, groups, activities that you are involved with and if they connect via Facebook then you probably will want to join. I joined Facebook years ago because my local gardening group was on there.
If you have a reason to join then, it's probably worth it. If you don't have a reason, then it probably isn't worth it.
OneGrassRoot
(22,920 posts)melm00se
(4,991 posts)is what you use it for.
I use Facebook to keep in touch with friends and family as we are scattered across a dozen or states and couple of countries.
I ignore anything that is "news".
I avoid politics completely.
If you post too much political crap, I turn off notifications for you.
WhiskeyGrinder
(22,329 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)Thanks.
wildman76
(292 posts)Haven't use Facebook since 2016 🗽🇺🇸
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)dalton99a
(81,475 posts)especially when it comes to things automotive.
The numerous online forums which predate Facebook are far easier to use/search/navigate, and are generally well moderated.
MineralMan
(146,288 posts)It enables communities to form an find each other. It's also a familiar platform for people with capabilities for sharing that often don't exist on those older forums.
I've been using interest-specific forums for decades, and have even run a few of them. Facebook has simplified the process of creating such groups without anyone needing to know how to create a discussion forum. That means that more groups now have spaces available for sharing, in technical and non-technical social areas.
Dream Girl
(5,111 posts)Well thats different. Please proceed.
leftstreet
(36,107 posts)MineralMan
(146,288 posts)For example, I drive to the supermarket, because it's a long walk and I have bags of groceries.
I don't support Facebook. I use it to support my own needs and wants.
But, thanks. I will proceed.
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cwydro
(51,308 posts)My family all live in the UK. They use FB, and pretty much thats how we communicate.
Why is making things EASIER a bad thing for you?
I have a toaster, because thats easier; I have an iPad, because thats easier, I have a cell phone, because thats easier, I have a washing machine, because thats easier.
Now see, I dont have a dryer (I like hanging my clothes out), but thats NOT easier. I dont have an ice maker, just the old fashioned cube trays (NOT easier). I still iron my own clothes when needed (NOT easier)...I could go on lol.
Do you use a dryer or an ice maker? A car? A toaster?An elevator? Just curious.
beachbumbob
(9,263 posts)when GOP complains too, FB would be left with little choice but to stop all of it. Boycotting would do nothing
LeftInTX
(25,296 posts)Facebook ads are cheap. The Democrats can do it too.
Obama utilized FB to his advantage. The Republicans took notice.
For some reason, Hillary Clinton underutilized FB. I don't know why.
leftstreet
(36,107 posts)True Blue American
(17,984 posts)Only read Twitter when someone posts.
JonLP24
(29,322 posts)It was way too toxic for politics.
Odawg
(37 posts)Time to take that MF Zuckerburg down. He gave us Trump in 16 and wants to do it again in 20. He is on the Trump train cause he knows the Dems are coming down on FB when they get into power (at least they should if they have any balls or brains). I sold my stock and closed my FB page after 16, boycotting is the only thing they will understand!
milestogo
(16,829 posts)moondust
(19,979 posts)within the past 48 hours I've gotten two friend requests from old classmates I haven't heard from for at least 50 years. I'll probably keep the account just to occasionally keep in touch with a few folks.
soldierant
(6,857 posts)and, what's more, I don't have the ability to text I don't have any problem communicating with my friends (A few businesses, yes. Friends, no.)
I have always realized that Facebook is a game that the only way tp win is not to play (or to put it another way, if the product is free, then YOU are the product.)
But good luck getting off, especially if you also use Facebook Messenger.
https://justdeleteme.xyz lists Facebook as "medium" and Facebook messenger as "Impossible" to get out of. Basically, you can delete/close your account, but some data stays there forever.
Skittles
(153,160 posts)they'll love them some fascist facebook
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)The people who are most susceptible to disinformation and Russian antics are also addicted to the endorphin rush of likes. If you and I boycott it, great, but were not part of the dopey low info masses who believe literally anything they read. They are the ones who fuck up elections by voting for people like Dump.
milestogo
(16,829 posts)The door should be swung open for a competing product which does not take political ads at all. An ethical Facebook, if you will. If enough people protest in some way either a competitor will emerge or Zuckerberg will change his policy.
BannonsLiver
(16,370 posts)But my point is that there arent enough people that would care enough to drop Facebook to get that point across. Most people care more about the cat memes and bragging about how great their lives are than they do our democracy.
LuvNewcastle
(16,844 posts)A lot of people dont like Zuckerberg and they would use a different site if they could.
XRubicon
(2,212 posts)ETA: Young people have already left Facebook in mass when mom/dad/grandpa/grandma joined. I predict Facebook will become a right wing geriatric web site in the next 5 years. Deal with it.
Vestigial_Sister
(182 posts)I have never visited the home of the droid. I knew it would become a monster when it was first announced years ago. I'm proud to say I don't have a clue what it even looks like...and even prouder that Facebook is clueless to what I LOOK LIKE! Fuck 'em...
BigmanPigman
(51,590 posts)Neither has my immediate family. Fuckerberg is a greedy, power hungry opportunist, just like any member of the GOP. He is also unAmerican and helps to destroy our election process so he can get more rich. Has he donated any of his fortune to anyone? Bill Gates did.
JAD
(187 posts)Say no to Facebook.
Roy Rolling
(6,917 posts)Facebook sells advertising next to the content you are viewing. Whether its cat pictures or Nazi pictures.
Not viewing is a choice, dont view if you object to technology, Internet, Mark Zuckerberg, or whatever.
That isnt a boycott, thats a bit presumptuous and more a vehicle to air our own grievances than a real economic boycott.
Its like Yogi Berra said, If fans dont want to come out to the ballpark how you gonna stop them?
RainCaster
(10,870 posts)Look at this tech review "No one should buy the Facebook Portal TV".
https://www.cnet.com/news/no-one-should-buy-the-facebook-portal-tv