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milestogo

(16,829 posts)
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:24 PM Nov 2019

I think its time to boycott Facebook.

If you think you can't deal with the inconvenience of actually using email and phone calls to keep in touch - try imagining the inconvenience of living under Trump's fascist theocracy.

Zuckerberg has neither the will nor the ability to fact-check what is posted on Facebook and it will be used to continue the campaign of fake news that got him elected in 2016.

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I think its time to boycott Facebook. (Original Post) milestogo Nov 2019 OP
Yes!! Laura PourMeADrink Nov 2019 #1
OK, go for it. maxsolomon Nov 2019 #2
I am going to uninstall it from my phone and log out on my computer. milestogo Nov 2019 #4
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #3
Same here. LuvNewcastle Nov 2019 #113
This message was self-deleted by its author Chin music Nov 2019 #120
Way past time! No boycott though, stop all together. BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #5
This exactly. we can do it Nov 2019 #63
Taking ones ball and going home zipplewrath Nov 2019 #6
They don't listen and they are nasty. I do not and will not engage. milestogo Nov 2019 #8
It's more for the lurkers zipplewrath Nov 2019 #10
I absolutely agree jimlup Nov 2019 #7
Just walk away from it, and never return Amishman Nov 2019 #9
Fakebook is no better, and may actually be worse than the fox propaganda network. democratisphere Nov 2019 #11
Deleted mine the in 2016. BigMin28 Nov 2019 #12
i don't understand this dilemma dweller Nov 2019 #13
why do you need FB to talk to friends and family? Skittles Nov 2019 #16
Not always. progressoid Nov 2019 #41
i talk to them in person and txt often, phone not so much unless i know dweller Nov 2019 #43
as long as you are part of FB, you support FB Skittles Nov 2019 #49
+1. That's how Zuckerberg got rich dalton99a Nov 2019 #75
I'll tell you what I told the OP AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #60
Do you think it's wrong to text friends and family? LeftInTX Nov 2019 #112
I see a lot of business adds. Srkdqltr Nov 2019 #18
I have come to realize that there are a lot of Srkdqltr Nov 2019 #21
I don't see anything really either Proud Liberal Dem Nov 2019 #111
I'm with you. FB serves me well for staying connected to people. aikoaiko Nov 2019 #27
There are other ways of connecting to people. Many other ways. milestogo Nov 2019 #31
What's a better way of staying connected? aikoaiko Nov 2019 #33
How about email and phone calls? milestogo Nov 2019 #36
It would seem weird to email my 1000+ friends pictures of my dinner aikoaiko Nov 2019 #39
Nice rationalization you got there... Dream Girl Nov 2019 #52
You need to inform 1000+ people about your dinner? Coventina Nov 2019 #54
One thing about going out to dinner, you have the option of tagging the restaurant LeftInTX Nov 2019 #117
The dilemma is, How do I help send a message to Zuckerberg that... LAS14 Nov 2019 #29
pretty simple dweller Nov 2019 #44
He ignores Congress when they tell him what they want. milestogo Nov 2019 #62
Mine is shut down pretty tightly. MuseRider Nov 2019 #79
Same here. All my family lives in the UK. cwydro Nov 2019 #103
I am "polluting" facebook Dirty Socialist Nov 2019 #14
Better late than never to realize this nt VarryOn Nov 2019 #15
Wish I could join you except I dumped it years ago ... nt Jarqui Nov 2019 #17
Never had it. Can't miss it. GulfCoast66 Nov 2019 #19
I left warmfeet Nov 2019 #20
Rec Ponietz Nov 2019 #22
I deleted it a year ago and don't miss it. OnlinePoker Nov 2019 #23
I have two accounts, House of Roberts Nov 2019 #24
Been boycotting it for about 2 or 3 years. Scruffy1 Nov 2019 #25
I am in my second week without facebook wasupaloopa Nov 2019 #26
I posted my decision two days ago. Will delete at the end of the week. LAS14 Nov 2019 #28
If you and I and everyone we know... Orrex Nov 2019 #30
Sounds like Debbie Downer doesn't have any Data. milestogo Nov 2019 #34
LOL. Sure. Orrex Nov 2019 #95
Millions of people say that about voting. defacto7 Nov 2019 #42
Yeah. I think we can't have this both ways ramen Nov 2019 #45
I agree. defacto7 Nov 2019 #47
Well said. milestogo Nov 2019 #82
But millions of people don't vote multiple times daily Orrex Nov 2019 #96
I will keep my account, but not use it anymore RainCaster Nov 2019 #32
If you delete your account, but first leave a message with #DeleteFAcebook in it, LAS14 Nov 2019 #37
That may have business implications for me RainCaster Nov 2019 #38
Got rid of Facebook a long time ago... Catch2.2 Nov 2019 #35
I've worked Internet security for years. defacto7 Nov 2019 #40
Thank you for this. we can do it Nov 2019 #64
people are SO naive Skittles Nov 2019 #101
This is the real issue. Not that Facebook is vapid and a waste of LuckyLib Nov 2019 #107
Will watch LeftInTX Nov 2019 #118
Yes seta1950 Nov 2019 #46
I use FB professionally, NOT to avoid emails, or phone calls,, pangaia Nov 2019 #48
Done with it a year ago and I honestly don't miss it.n/t luvallpeeps Nov 2019 #50
I already did... They_Live Nov 2019 #51
You came to avoid facebook and chew bubble gum... Blue Owl Nov 2019 #56
Mama don't like tattletales! They_Live Nov 2019 #74
departed a few weeks ago. twitter too. So much happier. NRaleighLiberal Nov 2019 #53
Deleted Olafjoy Nov 2019 #55
Started doing that months ago. As long as they are going to assisted foreign governments interfering usaf-vet Nov 2019 #57
On it. mahina Nov 2019 #58
Why not just reseach and blow off the bullshit if you find it? AncientGeezer Nov 2019 #59
Waste of time. we can do it Nov 2019 #65
Well that should've been going on since 2016 election. rockfordfile Nov 2019 #61
No thanks pintobean Nov 2019 #66
But it reinforces false world views for a lot of people. LAS14 Nov 2019 #85
Again, no. pintobean Nov 2019 #87
I think I'll pass. Captain Stern Nov 2019 #67
QUESTION! OneGrassRoot Nov 2019 #68
I have several family members radical noodle Nov 2019 #102
Understood. Thank you! n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 2019 #114
Most of mine are Democrats and we're very like minded LeftInTX Nov 2019 #110
All EXCELLENT points. Thanks so much. n/t OneGrassRoot Nov 2019 #115
Facebook (or even DU for that matter) melm00se Nov 2019 #69
Knock yourself out. I'm good. WhiskeyGrinder Nov 2019 #70
You do you. I'll do me. MineralMan Nov 2019 #71
Already I have wildman76 Nov 2019 #72
Here's a different look at Facebook: MineralMan Nov 2019 #73
You don't need Facebook to ask a question and receive an answer in your field of interest dalton99a Nov 2019 #76
I realize that. However, Facebook makes it even easier. MineralMan Nov 2019 #78
Oh I get it, you support Facebook cuz it makes things EASIER for you Dream Girl Nov 2019 #80
What's wrong with that? Do you grow your own food? leftstreet Nov 2019 #84
I do a lot of things because they make it easier for me. MineralMan Nov 2019 #89
Post removed Post removed Nov 2019 #90
It's easier for me too. cwydro Nov 2019 #104
actually the best route is for Dem candidates and PACs to run a huge number of misleading ads beachbumbob Nov 2019 #77
Here's the deal: LeftInTX Nov 2019 #119
Who will 'fact check' ads on TV and radio? leftstreet Nov 2019 #81
Account I never use. True Blue American Nov 2019 #83
I deleted mine JonLP24 Nov 2019 #86
Totally Agree Odawg Nov 2019 #88
Welcome to DU, and thanks for your input. milestogo Nov 2019 #92
I seldom log on there but... moondust Nov 2019 #91
I have never had a Facebook account soldierant Nov 2019 #93
as long as people don't have to put any effort into "keeping up with family and friends" Skittles Nov 2019 #94
Here's the problem with that BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #97
Its about Zuckerberg, first and foremost. milestogo Nov 2019 #98
Right BannonsLiver Nov 2019 #100
I agree. Facebook needs competition. LuvNewcastle Nov 2019 #116
Yes. It is time. XRubicon Nov 2019 #99
I've boycotted from its inception... Vestigial_Sister Nov 2019 #105
Never had it or Twitter. BigmanPigman Nov 2019 #106
SAVE DEMOCRACY. DUMP FACEBOOK JAD Nov 2019 #108
There is nothing to "boycott" Roy Rolling Nov 2019 #109
Even the big tech magazines are disconnecting from FB RainCaster Nov 2019 #121

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
4. I am going to uninstall it from my phone and log out on my computer.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:36 PM
Nov 2019

I have had an account for about a year and am not a heavy user.

At this point I am committing to not using Facebook at all until they take responsibility for their advertising. If you don't log in, they don't make revenue from the advertising.

Response to milestogo (Original post)

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
113. Same here.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:30 AM
Nov 2019

I don’t know how many years it has been now. Facebook is infested with idiots. It was interesting at first because I reconnected with some old friends, but I wished I hadn’t reconnected with some. I got the email and phone numbers of the people I liked and left Facebook behind.

Response to LuvNewcastle (Reply #113)

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
5. Way past time! No boycott though, stop all together.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:42 PM
Nov 2019

Don't use it. Period. Fuckerberg is a corrupt, greedy bastard who is unAmerican and is aiding the fucking moron so he can pocket the profits. He is acting like a GOP politician (greed and power rules everything they touch). Never had Fakebook or Twitter and never will.

we can do it

(12,184 posts)
63. This exactly.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:19 AM
Nov 2019

Make actual human contact, not shitty post a pic and expect people to gawk at it. Or expect family to show up/respond with no actual invitation or notice. Rude and lazy.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
6. Taking ones ball and going home
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:44 PM
Nov 2019

this is rarely an effective strategy. Boycotts are difficult and in this case it is mostly a case of leaving the medium to the right wing nut jobs. Quite honestly, the more effective strategy is to engage, engage, engage. Not so much confront as it is to merely point out falsehoods and shortcomings. Expose bots, challenge shills, and generally question everything. Avoid advocacy and merely challenge falsehood.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
10. It's more for the lurkers
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:56 PM
Nov 2019

I've got an old high school girlfriend on Facebook that post right wing nonsense. I respond as calmly and non confrontational as I can with facts mostly. I occasionally even include conservative voices and quotes that conflict with the OP's. It's not going to change her but the number of "likes" and such that come from the others reading her screed indicate that the truth is being heard by people who are slightly more open to facts.

jimlup

(7,968 posts)
7. I absolutely agree
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:47 PM
Nov 2019

what the hell? Facebook ... there exist alternatives. Like the fucking www. Get real people do you really need facebook to hold your hand? Time to grow up.

Amishman

(5,557 posts)
9. Just walk away from it, and never return
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:53 PM
Nov 2019

And encourage others to do the same.

Facebook is a cesspool and we are better off without it.

democratisphere

(17,235 posts)
11. Fakebook is no better, and may actually be worse than the fox propaganda network.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 09:59 PM
Nov 2019

Fakebook is a sea of rethuglicon lies, propaganda and massive corruption.

BigMin28

(1,176 posts)
12. Deleted mine the in 2016.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:03 PM
Nov 2019

I dont miss it. And the fact that Facebook uses Breitbart to fact check now tells me Facebook and Zuckerberg are not to be trusted. He may as well invite the trump administration to fact check.

dweller

(23,629 posts)
13. i don't understand this dilemma
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:03 PM
Nov 2019

i don't see ads other than local business ads, and i have the option to block any ad from anyone ... i don't even see ads except once every few weeks my feed will show local business ads for about a day and then quits (i block them all)
then i just see friend's posts ...

i only use it to speak with a few friends and family, anyone outside that small domain is either linked to or posted by friend/family , i.e. no strangers on my page... uh i mean wall, whatever ...

✌🏼

progressoid

(49,988 posts)
41. Not always.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:39 PM
Nov 2019

Some of us live in far flung regions and with Facebook private groups we can communicate as a group. And even locally, it comes in handy.

I'm in two local Democratic groups that are private. And a couple more for my work. We use them to coordinate functions, spread the word about candidates, for general chat, etc. It's easy to get people to join because they often already have a FB account. Until another platform becomes widespread and easy to use (a lot of our local Dems are of a certain age and don't do well with technological changes), we plan on sticking with FB despite it's failings.

dweller

(23,629 posts)
43. i talk to them in person and txt often, phone not so much unless i know
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:48 PM
Nov 2019

they are available to talk...
FB is just a means to share with each other and others as well episodes of our day that interupting their day is not necessary
for example, my daughter has just had twins, she posts pics and expresses her
joy and satisfaction of new motherhood so all her friends can see it... if i didn't have FB, i wouldn't see that unless she sent me a txt also.. i suppose she could but she has her hands full already, so i get to share in that experience with many others...
as another example,
i'm friends with a person i used to work with years ago, her posts show on my wall... most times i don't feel a need to comment but i did tonite on a post ...
she only shows on my wall every other month or so, my comment is just a validation that i still see her and care about her... would i call to tell her so?
probably not.. we aren't that close, ex workmates, but i can let her know i see her and recognize her presence in my life still... she could shut off my contact anytime, as could i ... we don't and are both, i guess, ok with that... but i commented on her post, and she liked it 🙏🏻

i post many "political" cartoons, comments and statements on my FB wall ...
i never have any negative comments on them, and actually only few likes back from my FB friends, which leads me to believe

1- they are as a group with few exceptions, not using FB for political purposes or
2- the few friends i have on FB have unfriended me, which doesn't worry me at all...

in a way it's like noticing you, Skittles, have not placed me on ignore, nor i you, nor would i ever 😍 ... but it's still a bit of validation to know you exist in this cyberspace of DU (and haven't put me on ignore)
FB is like that too, just with family and friends who actually know me ..

now, kick my ass if you must, but i must tell you i'd consider it an honor

✌🏼

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
49. as long as you are part of FB, you support FB
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:09 AM
Nov 2019

I really wish people would just get away from that piece of shit site

dalton99a

(81,475 posts)
75. +1. That's how Zuckerberg got rich
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:40 AM
Nov 2019

by wanting to know everything about you/your friends/your friend's friends/...


 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
60. I'll tell you what I told the OP
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:03 AM
Nov 2019

Last edited Tue Nov 5, 2019, 02:09 AM - Edit history (1)

I never got the idea of boycotts...they more often than not fail..and in some cases backfire...
FaceBook isn't going to suffer a penny loss if EVERY member here boycotts....

No it won't send a message, it won't show them we care, it won't do squat...

We just had a major shitshow storm here in Upstate N.Y....Halloween night.
We got creamed... ass kicked really....washed out roads, no phone, no electricity...but some of us had FB to keep up to date with our family and friends when we had no other means.
Right now I still have no house phone and it may not come back for another week....but I can keep in touch with my family with FB....and I know not to believe bullshit.

LeftInTX

(25,296 posts)
112. Do you think it's wrong to text friends and family?
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:22 AM
Nov 2019

My phone texting plan won't allow more than 10 in a group, so we chat via FB Messenger. Also the FB Messenger chatting occurs simultaneously via phone and computer. (Can't do that with SMS texting).
Most of the people in my group live within 20 miles of me.

For one-to-one connections or family, I will usually SMS text or call, but for groups over 10 I rely on FB Messenger. Other group text apps are Group Me and Slack.

Srkdqltr

(6,276 posts)
18. I see a lot of business adds.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:30 PM
Nov 2019

I block The ones that annoy me. I don't see any political adds except from who I have allowed. I have never seen Republican adds. What pages do all of these "hair on fire" let's boycott people go to?

Srkdqltr

(6,276 posts)
21. I have come to realize that there are a lot of
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:39 PM
Nov 2019

Hair on fire, omg isn't it awful, let's boycott, conspiracy people here. Very fun to read but not get swept up in the hysteria. 😊😊😊😊😊

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,412 posts)
111. I don't see anything really either
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:17 AM
Nov 2019

This is the thing that I don't get about people accusing Facebook of bias: The user (us) largely controls the content we see. We friend who we want to friend, block or refuse to follow those we want. The biggest problem I see with Facebook, Twitter, etc. is more what happens when certain individuals become abusive and the social media platform admins refuse to take matters seriously and allow them to continue to abuse and bully their victims. Twitter, for example, is being reluctant to take down some white supremacist/white nationalist pages simply because it would also take down some pages for Republicans, which is seriously disturbing/problematic in and of itself. Or when Facebook takes down people's pages and/or ban ("zucc" ) them for 30 days because some "algorithm" said that some content was offensive, inappropriate, etc., which is often subjective. Like I think that Facebook will now be banning the usage of some emojis on Facebook posts because they might be used in a "suggestive" way. That's just stupid and petty stuff. Those are the sort of things that annoy me. A lot of these problems are endemic to pretty much all of the major social media platforms, not just Facebook, although it's obviously the more ubiquitous of them all.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
27. I'm with you. FB serves me well for staying connected to people.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:55 PM
Nov 2019


I'm on FB every day and I still vote Democratic.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
31. There are other ways of connecting to people. Many other ways.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:08 PM
Nov 2019

And Facebook is a major tool in spreading fake news. Its not about you being misinformed. Its about the people who use Facebook as their sole source of information, and that includes millions of people.

Fascism sucks.

aikoaiko

(34,169 posts)
39. It would seem weird to email my 1000+ friends pictures of my dinner
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:27 PM
Nov 2019


in a way that its not weird on FB.

The thing about FB life is that you can take it or leave it. I can respond to my friends' pictures of meals, cats, dogs, kids, and politics or not. Its not the same with emails or phone calls.

FB has really been a good thing in my life. It allowed me to reconnect with people that I would never have talked to again.

I get it that we have a problem with misinformation and elections, but that will be there with or without FB.








 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
52. Nice rationalization you got there...
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:14 AM
Nov 2019

do a 1,00 of your so called "friends" care what you had for dinner?

LeftInTX

(25,296 posts)
117. One thing about going out to dinner, you have the option of tagging the restaurant
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 12:10 PM
Nov 2019

It is a business promo thing, but it can promote small businesses that want/need the promo. I have 350 friends, occasionally I tag businesses...some of my friends tag businesses where they get cool costume jewelry etc, (thank you very much!!!) we also tag yummy Mexican bakeries and soul food restaurants etc. The jewelry ones are always popular...

Over the weekend, I went to a local Dia De Los Muertos event. I took pictures and was tagging the event. I will probably return to this specific event next year..The pictures promote the event...

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
29. The dilemma is, How do I help send a message to Zuckerberg that...
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:59 PM
Nov 2019

... he his undermining our democracy. His assertion that people should decide for themselves what's true is such utter clueless nonsense he needs to be sent to his room. People use trusted purveyors of news to help them decide what's true. FB is so big lots of people think what's on it is to be trusted. STOP HIM!!! Just because you don't see ads doesn't mean that millions of others don't.

dweller

(23,629 posts)
44. pretty simple
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:57 PM
Nov 2019

search his name on FB
i did and found his page, didn't join, but you could ...
tell him what you want

✌🏼

MuseRider

(34,108 posts)
79. Mine is shut down pretty tightly.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:53 AM
Nov 2019

I have a few R friends. The rabid, nasty ones I have mostly blocked, the people not blocked and I have an understanding. I do not see their stuff and I have put them off the list of people who see mine. There are a few relatives who I do not engage on any level other than personal and we made that pact a long time ago

I blocked ads and all the crap that is not safe anyway so it is an easy place for me almost all the time. Do I want to support Zuckerwhatever? No but I live many miles from almost all the people I care about and it is invaluable to me. I am not one for multiple hours on the phone or phone calls with multiple people on the line.

BTW, anyone who uses FB to get into other places is crazy. Anyone who pays for anything through FB is crazy. It is just so easy to use I suppose but really, it is easy to not use them for that as well.

Change your PW frequently and in all these years have had no problem.

I understand not wanting to support it but there are those of us who use it carefully who have no problems (so far anyway in 11 years) who are happy to have the place to chat.

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
103. Same here. All my family lives in the UK.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 12:50 AM
Nov 2019

They all love FB, and that’s how we stay in touch.

I’ve never seen any right wing crap on my page; all my friends are Dems, some from DU.

It’s just a friendly place for me and my family to post pictures of daily life. That being said, I’ve been inactive there for quite some time.

Don’t get those who call it a cesspool. It might be time to cull your friend list if that’s the case.

Dirty Socialist

(3,252 posts)
14. I am "polluting" facebook
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:07 PM
Nov 2019

By posting stories like Danny Deutsch getting his ass handed to him by a Danish billionaire

GulfCoast66

(11,949 posts)
19. Never had it. Can't miss it.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:31 PM
Nov 2019

From what little I see with my family and friends is is mainly showing off all the cool things you are doing mixed in with a little bit of keeping in touch.

Never found keeping in touch through emails, texts, phone calls and actually visiting to be a problem.

I find my life to be amazingly interesting. But realize most others do not share that opinion.

OnlinePoker

(5,719 posts)
23. I deleted it a year ago and don't miss it.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:40 PM
Nov 2019

I also installed (on Firefox - don't know if it's available elsewhere) Facebook Container. This blocks FB from following you around the net even if you don't have FB installed. Any page you visit that has a FB share button will tell them you were there and they'll still have your data.

House of Roberts

(5,168 posts)
24. I have two accounts,
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:41 PM
Nov 2019

that I locked down with nearly zero access five years ago. Then I lost my Comcast email addys, when I quit them. Now I don't have the passwords and can't retrieve them because I don't have access to those Comcast emails where F'book would send my passwords.

So, I'm done with them.

Scruffy1

(3,256 posts)
25. Been boycotting it for about 2 or 3 years.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:47 PM
Nov 2019

What we really need is not for profit sharing sites. Anytime a company makes the dough they do they can afford to be arrogant and I never liked the idea of them selling personal information.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
28. I posted my decision two days ago. Will delete at the end of the week.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:56 PM
Nov 2019

Now that Twitter has set an example of a clear alternative, that bumped me off the fence.

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
30. If you and I and everyone we know...
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 10:59 PM
Nov 2019

and everyone they know, and everyone they know were to boycott Facebook, it wouldn't even make a noticeable blip in their bottom line.

I'm all in favor of semi-invisible acts of principle, but it's ultimately a waste of effort that'll have no impact whatsoever.

It's a lot like trying to hold back the tide with a pitchfork.


Orrex

(63,208 posts)
95. LOL. Sure.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:27 PM
Nov 2019

Facebook has around 1.5 billion active daily users and 2.41 billion active monthly users, but I'm sure that your principled boycott will really teach Zuckerberg a lesson.

ramen

(790 posts)
45. Yeah. I think we can't have this both ways
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:59 PM
Nov 2019

Either drops in the bucket amount to a flood or it's each of us for one's self.

I really, really hope it is the latter. Apart from the vehicle that particular social media platform provides for profoundly fake news, it cheapens actual human connection, gives false impression of community, and promotes the worst type of keeping up with the Joneses we have had. I just don't want any part of it.. I don't want or need it, and would love it if more bit on that position.

$.02

Orrex

(63,208 posts)
96. But millions of people don't vote multiple times daily
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:31 PM
Nov 2019

Whereas 1.49 billion people do check Facebook multiple times daily. And they get immediate social interaction and feedback from Facebook, but not from voting.

I'm not telling anyone that they have to use Facebook, because certainly they do not, but just as certainly their boycott won't make even a tiny bit of difference to that colossal worldwide corporation.

RainCaster

(10,870 posts)
32. I will keep my account, but not use it anymore
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:09 PM
Nov 2019

That method will keep the trolls from cloning my ID and going crazy. Plus, FB has to keep storing a shit ton of photos for me that way.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
37. If you delete your account, but first leave a message with #DeleteFAcebook in it,
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:11 PM
Nov 2019

you will be contributing to a growing message to Zuckerberg. Make the message public. Wait a week before deleting.

defacto7

(13,485 posts)
40. I've worked Internet security for years.
Mon Nov 4, 2019, 11:27 PM
Nov 2019

I know what they do and how they do it. If someone thinks they're more savey than the FB model, administrators and coders they'd better think again. You can't use facebook without being used no matter how special or safeguarded someone may think they are. You've made an admirable choice, but I really admire people who live how they talk and vote with the choices they make, and dumping FB is a vote against the corruption of democracy.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
101. people are SO naive
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:38 PM
Nov 2019

my opinion of people who were NEVER sucked into the FB Borg is even higher than the ones who end up ditching it

LuckyLib

(6,819 posts)
107. This is the real issue. Not that Facebook is vapid and a waste of
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 04:52 AM
Nov 2019

time, but you are not "using Facebook." It is using you. See PBS Frontline that aired tonight on Artificial Intelligence. It is astounding where this is going.

LeftInTX

(25,296 posts)
118. Will watch
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 12:22 PM
Nov 2019

AI is everywhere....It's even on Netflix.................

Now almost all news sites are banning adblockers. Although I ignore the ads, disabling ad blockers provides more info gathering opportunity.

seta1950

(932 posts)
46. Yes
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:04 AM
Nov 2019

I stopped using facebook 3 years ago and I’ve never regretted, that business is not good for our country.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
48. I use FB professionally, NOT to avoid emails, or phone calls,,
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:08 AM
Nov 2019

Sure, people occasionally, well.. too often.. post foodie pics and airport pics..

But I use it to keep track of friends, acquaintances and colleagues in the world of classical music..happenings, equipment/instruments for sale, discussions on innumerable topics...-- info about my own particular interest... many well-known artists throughout the world.... and many not so well-known...

I never get or see ANY crappy posts-- I have no right wing friends... I get no lying ads... nada


I do however, understand other people's concerns...


usaf-vet

(6,181 posts)
57. Started doing that months ago. As long as they are going to assisted foreign governments interfering
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:26 AM
Nov 2019

...in our elections. I will honor this part of my oath....defend against all enemies foreign (Russians) and domestic (Trump, GOP, and now Facebook).

 

AncientGeezer

(2,146 posts)
59. Why not just reseach and blow off the bullshit if you find it?
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:56 AM
Nov 2019

I never got the idea of boycotts...they more often than not fail..and in some cases backfire...
FaceBook isn't going to suffer a penny loss if EVERY member here boycotts....

No it won't send a message, it won't show them we care, it won't do squat...

We just had a major shitshow storm here in Upstate N.Y....Halloween night.
We got creamed... ass kicked really....washed out roads, no phone, no electricity...but some of us had FB to keep up to date with our family and friends when we had no other means.
Right now I still have no house phone and it may not come back for another week....but I can keep in touch with my family with FB....and I know not to believe bullshit.

 

pintobean

(18,101 posts)
66. No thanks
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:41 AM
Nov 2019

There's fake news all over the internet, including here. I'm sure it won't be swaying my vote.

LAS14

(13,783 posts)
85. But it reinforces false world views for a lot of people.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:39 PM
Nov 2019

We should say STOP when a major purveyor of information has no checks on the kind of advertising they sell. Join the #DeleteFacebook movement. Help send a message.

Captain Stern

(2,201 posts)
67. I think I'll pass.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:58 AM
Nov 2019

I enjoy facebook.

I never see any political ads and none of my friends post pro-trump stuff. However, I am exposed to a lot of interesting things from my friends that I may not have otherwise ever seen.

Besides, I don't see how me boycotting something that I enjoy, keeps other people from seeing, and believing, fake news.

OneGrassRoot

(22,920 posts)
68. QUESTION!
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:04 AM
Nov 2019

I don't want to start yet another FB thread to ask this question, so hopefully people will see this and reply.

Are the family and friends you want to stay in touch with, for the most part, of like mind/heart as you? Are they Trumpers? Are they the "I don't do politics" types?

radical noodle

(8,000 posts)
102. I have several family members
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 12:42 AM
Nov 2019

I keep in touch with via Facebook. Most of my friends on Facebook are people who hate trump. The few exceptions are old classmates that I still chat with occasionally. I belong to several liberal and anti-trump groups on Facebook. I also belong to groups that relate to my hobbies and other interests. I have many international friends on Facebook as well. For those reasons, I have no intention to boycott Facebook.

LeftInTX

(25,296 posts)
110. Most of mine are Democrats and we're very like minded
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 11:05 AM
Nov 2019

I have a few Republican family members and friends, but they don't post much politics. You can also select which friends read your posts.

I'm a Democratic Precinct Chair and I have a busy calendar with everything going on. Facebook is how so much of what we do is scheduled.

I'm always getting invites to local events/protests/campaign events etc. etc. It's also how our elected officials announce their town halls. I'm represented by a Democratic Congressman, State Senator, State Rep, and County Commissioner. My local city council rep and mayor are progressive. (I live in San Antonio) Facebook is also great for local civil engagement. Local government is always announcing volunteer opportunities via Facebook. It's how alot of our local progressive groups organize.

I'm also FB friends with numerous elected Democrats and candidates. I also follow and like all my elected officials.

We're kicking off campaign reelection events via Facebook.

For me it's mostly about connecting.

I'm also in a few hobby groups that involve Gardening and Genealogy.

I'm not giving it up. I don't care much for Zuckerberg, because I find his "connecting people" to be disingenuous because Zuckerberg is all about business, not about "creating relationships".

Google is actually much worse. I'm not giving up Google either. I'm not throwing my Android phone away..I'm not giving up YouTube... (YouTube is a RW cesspool)
Also I'm not Boycotting Amazon either.

Also I'm not boycotting Microsoft......(Although I don't use their stupid browsers!!!!)

If you wonder if FB is for you and aren't a member and don't have a reason to join, then it probably isn't worth it.

However if there are certain hobbies, groups, activities that you are involved with and if they connect via Facebook then you probably will want to join. I joined Facebook years ago because my local gardening group was on there.

If you have a reason to join then, it's probably worth it. If you don't have a reason, then it probably isn't worth it.

melm00se

(4,991 posts)
69. Facebook (or even DU for that matter)
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:52 AM
Nov 2019

is what you use it for.

I use Facebook to keep in touch with friends and family as we are scattered across a dozen or states and couple of countries.
I ignore anything that is "news".
I avoid politics completely.

If you post too much political crap, I turn off notifications for you.

dalton99a

(81,475 posts)
76. You don't need Facebook to ask a question and receive an answer in your field of interest
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:47 AM
Nov 2019

especially when it comes to things automotive.

The numerous online forums which predate Facebook are far easier to use/search/navigate, and are generally well moderated.



MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
78. I realize that. However, Facebook makes it even easier.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:52 AM
Nov 2019

It enables communities to form an find each other. It's also a familiar platform for people with capabilities for sharing that often don't exist on those older forums.

I've been using interest-specific forums for decades, and have even run a few of them. Facebook has simplified the process of creating such groups without anyone needing to know how to create a discussion forum. That means that more groups now have spaces available for sharing, in technical and non-technical social areas.

 

Dream Girl

(5,111 posts)
80. Oh I get it, you support Facebook cuz it makes things EASIER for you
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:58 AM
Nov 2019

Well that’s different. Please proceed.

MineralMan

(146,288 posts)
89. I do a lot of things because they make it easier for me.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 04:52 PM
Nov 2019

For example, I drive to the supermarket, because it's a long walk and I have bags of groceries.

I don't support Facebook. I use it to support my own needs and wants.

But, thanks. I will proceed.

Response to MineralMan (Reply #89)

 

cwydro

(51,308 posts)
104. It's easier for me too.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 01:00 AM
Nov 2019

My family all live in the UK. They use FB, and pretty much that’s how we communicate.

Why is making things “EASIER” a bad thing for you?

I have a toaster, because that’s easier; I have an iPad, because that’s easier, I have a cell phone, because that’s easier, I have a washing machine, because that’s easier.

Now see, I don’t have a dryer (I like hanging my clothes out), but that’s NOT easier. I don’t have an ice maker, just the old fashioned cube trays (NOT easier). I still iron my own clothes when needed (NOT easier)...I could go on lol.

Do you use a dryer or an ice maker? A car? A toaster?An elevator? Just curious.

 

beachbumbob

(9,263 posts)
77. actually the best route is for Dem candidates and PACs to run a huge number of misleading ads
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:51 AM
Nov 2019

when GOP complains too, FB would be left with little choice but to stop all of it. Boycotting would do nothing

LeftInTX

(25,296 posts)
119. Here's the deal:
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 12:34 PM
Nov 2019


Facebook ads are cheap. The Democrats can do it too.

Obama utilized FB to his advantage. The Republicans took notice.

For some reason, Hillary Clinton underutilized FB. I don't know why.
 

Odawg

(37 posts)
88. Totally Agree
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 04:44 PM
Nov 2019

Time to take that MF Zuckerburg down. He gave us Trump in 16 and wants to do it again in 20. He is on the Trump train cause he knows the Dems are coming down on FB when they get into power (at least they should if they have any balls or brains). I sold my stock and closed my FB page after 16, boycotting is the only thing they will understand!

moondust

(19,979 posts)
91. I seldom log on there but...
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 05:34 PM
Nov 2019

within the past 48 hours I've gotten two friend requests from old classmates I haven't heard from for at least 50 years. I'll probably keep the account just to occasionally keep in touch with a few folks.

soldierant

(6,857 posts)
93. I have never had a Facebook account
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:09 PM
Nov 2019

and, what's more, I don't have the ability to text I don't have any problem communicating with my friends (A few businesses, yes. Friends, no.)

I have always realized that Facebook is a game that the only way tp win is not to play (or to put it another way, if the product is free, then YOU are the product.)

But good luck getting off, especially if you also use Facebook Messenger.

https://justdeleteme.xyz lists Facebook as "medium" and Facebook messenger as "Impossible" to get out of. Basically, you can delete/close your account, but some data stays there forever.

Skittles

(153,160 posts)
94. as long as people don't have to put any effort into "keeping up with family and friends"
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:19 PM
Nov 2019

they'll love them some fascist facebook

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
97. Here's the problem with that
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:04 PM
Nov 2019

The people who are most susceptible to disinformation and Russian antics are also addicted to the endorphin rush of “likes”. If you and I boycott it, great, but we’re not part of the dopey low info masses who believe literally anything they read. They are the ones who fuck up elections by voting for people like Dump.

milestogo

(16,829 posts)
98. Its about Zuckerberg, first and foremost.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:22 PM
Nov 2019

The door should be swung open for a competing product which does not take political ads at all. An ethical Facebook, if you will. If enough people protest in some way either a competitor will emerge or Zuckerberg will change his policy.

BannonsLiver

(16,370 posts)
100. Right
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:47 PM
Nov 2019

But my point is that there aren’t enough people that would care enough to drop Facebook to get that point across. Most people care more about the cat memes and bragging about how great their lives are than they do our democracy.

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
116. I agree. Facebook needs competition.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 12:01 PM
Nov 2019

A lot of people don’t like Zuckerberg and they would use a different site if they could.

XRubicon

(2,212 posts)
99. Yes. It is time.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:24 PM
Nov 2019

ETA: Young people have already left Facebook in mass when mom/dad/grandpa/grandma joined. I predict Facebook will become a right wing geriatric web site in the next 5 years. Deal with it.

Vestigial_Sister

(182 posts)
105. I've boycotted from its inception...
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:04 AM
Nov 2019

I have never visited the home of the droid. I knew it would become a monster when it was first announced years ago. I'm proud to say I don't have a clue what it even looks like...and even prouder that Facebook is clueless to what I LOOK LIKE! Fuck 'em...

BigmanPigman

(51,590 posts)
106. Never had it or Twitter.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 03:22 AM
Nov 2019

Neither has my immediate family. Fuckerberg is a greedy, power hungry opportunist, just like any member of the GOP. He is also unAmerican and helps to destroy our election process so he can get more rich. Has he donated any of his fortune to anyone? Bill Gates did.

Roy Rolling

(6,917 posts)
109. There is nothing to "boycott"
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 10:26 AM
Nov 2019

Facebook sells advertising next to the “content” you are viewing. Whether it’s cat pictures or Nazi pictures.

Not viewing is a choice, don’t view if you object to technology, Internet, Mark Zuckerberg, or whatever.

That isn’t a “boycott”, that’s a bit presumptuous and more a vehicle to air our own grievances than a real economic boycott.

It’s like Yogi Berra said, “If fans don’t want to come out to the ballpark how you gonna stop them?”

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