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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsA library wanted a New York Times subscription. Officials refused, citing Trump and 'fake news.'
This is where I live. We work very hard to have a Democratic presence in the midst of wingnut idiocy like this.
I'll be at the County Commission meeting this afternoon, with dozens of other Democrats. I'll be wearing my "I am woman, watch me vote" T-shirt!
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A library wanted a New York Times subscription. Officials refused, citing Trump and fake news.
The librarians of Citrus County, Fla., had what seemed like a modest wish: A digital subscription to the New York Times. For about $2,700 annually, they reasoned, they could offer their roughly 70,000 patrons an easy way to research and catch up on the news.
But when their request came before the Citrus County Commission last month, local officials literally laughed out loud. One commissioner, Scott Carnahan, declared the paper to be fake news.
"I agree with President Trump, he said. I will not be voting for this. I dont want the New York Times in this county.
In a move that is now generating intense online backlash, all five members of the commission agreed to reject the librarys request. The discussion took place on Oct. 24, the same day when the Trump administration announced plans to cancel federal agencies subscriptions to the Times and The Washington Post. While theres no apparent connection the Citrus County meeting began several hours before the Wall Street Journal broke the news of the new edict the controversy unfolding in central Florida highlights how politicians nationwide are parroting the presidents disparaging rhetoric about the media.
https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/11/05/new-york-times-citrus-county-florida-library-subscription-rejected-fake-news/
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)Yes, I'm being smarmy.
DBoon
(22,366 posts)and I'm sure they would have no problem subscribing to it
NCLefty
(3,678 posts)I have no idea who they're trying to reach with that.
ret5hd
(20,491 posts)Expose the idiots.
ananda
(28,859 posts)Lol
tanyev
(42,556 posts)I went to their website, figuring it must be a very small library, but it looks to be of moderate size. The (larger) library system I used to work for had complete autonomy of purchases under $3000, a couple more steps of approval were required for $3000-$50,000, and you had to go to city council for anything above $50,000. Something's weird in Citrus County.
mcar
(42,329 posts)The funds were already allocated but the library director is not authorized to sign contracts. He just needed the commissioners to sign off on the contract.
tanyev
(42,556 posts)The NYTimes was one of my library's most popular subscriptions. Maybe some Citrus County commissioners will learn this the hard way at their next election.
Captain Zero
(6,805 posts)nt
madaboutharry
(40,210 posts)progressoid
(49,990 posts)madinmaryland
(64,933 posts)Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin
(107,972 posts)Mike 03
(16,616 posts)to be ignored or worse, and if you're actually an expert in something, say climate science, forget having a job during this administration.
jayschool2013
(2,312 posts)The GOP capital of Floriduh.
riversedge
(70,214 posts)LuvNewcastle
(16,845 posts)Some people can't deal with reality, so they try to block it out. I guess they'll buy a radio so everyone can listen to Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones every day.
avebury
(10,952 posts)subscription to the library (along with the Washington Post) so that the library could get round the County Commissioners?
usaf-vet
(6,186 posts)to every library in the country.
ELECTRONIC access shouldn't cost them anymore that it already spends. Their advertisers would like to keep those extended potential customers reading their ads.
AND probably more important looking at the current trends do they really want to keep traitors and grifters in charge of the country.
They could easily find themselves fighting to be seen as the Constitutionally recognized FREE PRESS.
If these traitors and grifters take control of our entire government newspapers might find themselves facing new laws that make it hard (impossible) for newspapers to distribute their product via say a PRIVATIZED mail service. Remember this is a rightwing dream.
FIGHT THEM NOW or fight them with little or no ability to fight back when they have been designated the enemy of the state.
Laugh if you must... but look what less than three years of traitors and grifters have done to tear down our country.
FAKE NEWS is now a part of the daily language surrounding us.
FakeNoose
(32,639 posts)...and read the newspapers online for free from the library. I'm sure that's part of it.
Of course the newspapers realize that not everyone can afford a subscription, and the libraries in America are "free for all."
pangaia
(24,324 posts)usaf-vet
(6,186 posts)..... news sites.
Check out movies, audiobooks, and yes books to read. Part of my argument takes into account that at some point if the republicans get their way the post office will be privatized. Then who will keep the subscription if the cost doubles or triples.
mcar
(42,329 posts)The county commissioners would still have to sign off on the contract with the NYT. Do you really think they'd do that with a donation from Soros?
DallasNE
(7,403 posts)Obviously, only the real fake news is allowed. Which subscriptions do they have - Murdoch owned Wall Street Journal?
edbermac
(15,939 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)dlk
(11,566 posts)It would be worth the time to look into it.
sop
(10,177 posts)Solidly Republican, 95% white, the largest community is Homosassa Springs, total population is 145,000, per capita income about $18,000/yr, the largest percentage of its residents are over 65.
mcar
(42,329 posts)My kids grew up here. Beautiful springs, and waterways, manatees, great festivals, and one of the best rail trails in the country. And a lot of Democrats fighting an uphill battle for change.
sop
(10,177 posts)the warm water discharged from the nuclear plant during the winter months. It's a beautiful part of Florida.
mcar
(42,329 posts)But we still get loads of manatees in the springs.
BumRushDaShow
(128,963 posts)IMHO, perhaps all Democratic-majority municipalities should pass ordinances that forbid Faux Snooze within any cable/satellite dish subscription (demand a block if it cannot be unbundled).
And yes I will put this here --> for those who are for absolutely no censorship and who might disagree with me but I am serious otherwise.
The interesting difference between Democrats and RW loons is that we "self-police" and remind ourselves of the spirit of the Constitution and the GOP refuses to do any such thing, preferring to go for autocracy of thought and governance. I.e., they embrace tyranny without any consequences or critique from within their party, which includes being free from hounding out of office.
MrModerate
(9,753 posts). . . exceed about 40% of the electorate, Trump will be reelected.
NoMoreRepugs
(9,423 posts)Dumbfuckery has never stopped increasing since the day I got here. My fellow oldsters (I'm 70) never stop amazing me at how utterly stupid they are about supporting a political party that doesn't give a rat's ass about them, but as long as they say they do it's good enough for the geezers. Perception over reality is in the orange juice down here.
Botany
(70,504 posts)mysteryowl
(7,383 posts)GOP and trump propaganda is working.
Botany
(70,504 posts)However we need a clean vote and that is in question
One commissioner, Scott Carnahan, declared the paper to be fake news. he would be 2nd from
the right with the bad toupee ... must be why he likes Trump.
mysteryowl
(7,383 posts)With gerrymandering, voter ID laws, voter roll purging, limiting voting poll access, hacked systems and on and on.
Our only chance is to flood the polls with massive numbers of democratic voters.
No way Bevin should win this election but he will.
The GOP knows they are a dying breed because of demographics and social issues so
they have to cheat, pack the courts, and reach out to the racist white stupid dumb fucks
who can give them a solid 25 to 30% base.
BTW ever since they passed HAVA (help America vote act) which got us all on electronic
voting machines we have seen a res state shift in voting that does not match population
demographics. Except for places like Oklahoma which is lost.
olegramps
(8,200 posts)Don't be terribly surprised just how close the next election will be if the situation doesn't change radically. The fact is this: the Republican Party is becoming the party of the paranoid White Class whose privileged position in our nation they fear is being threatened by minorities and of course liberal God-hating, immoral, unpatriotic Democrats. It is a situation that is ripe for the exploitation by Republican demagogues who control a substantial share of the news outlets and can spread their outright lies 24/7 without opposition.
At the present I would have to conclude that they are winning the war to overturn the very basis upon which this country was founded: That it is a nation of that is ruled by the laws and not men. It was founded on the basic rebellion against the aristocracy that was above being judged and a law on to itself. Our nation was founded on the principle of one man, one vote all of equal value and to be a nation united by its motto of E pluribus Unum (Out of many one).
We are witnessing the outright contempt for the law by the president who is being joined by numerous Republicans who have taken an oath to protect the constitution and the law of the land. Can a nation survive if very basis of its founding are is contradicted by those entrusted to up hold its laws? As many scholars are warning our democracy is being threatened and the threat should be taken seriously.
I find it less than reassuring when our candidates appear to be more interested in advancing their agenda rather than addressing the mammoth evil that is growing daily virtually unopposed. They are say oh, by the way we must beat Trump, but fail to tell us just why he presents the greatest challenge that our nation is presently facing. The basic truth is that the Republican Party is developed into a criminal enterprise in which each succeeding administration dating from Nixon has been rocked by one scandal after the other. They are so entrenched and sure of their lock-step constituency they are above any challenge. The threat is internal and not from our enemies that will take down the nation.
Botany
(70,504 posts)... can't be both.
I might be wrong but I think when the Mueller report comes out it will be a game changer
because the level of corruption and crimes will be staggering. McConnell was there @ the
RNC in Cleveland in 2016 when Manafort, team Trump, and Russian/Ukrainian agents changed
the party platform to make it more Putin/Ukrainian Thug friendly. @ that point McConnell
knew "the fix was in."
In Ohio after 2010 the GOP and ALEC (American legislative exchange council) made my vote
for congress all but null and void. In OH 2012 both Obama and Sen. Brown won the state easily
(the real #s might have been much bigger) but 12 of the 15 House seats went to the Rs..
We have to expose the level of corruption and rigging the GOP, right wing media,and the very
rich has done to our nation. Reagan's killing of the fairness doctrine has really hurt.
Watch Bevin "win" his election for Gov. in KY today even though he is underwater.
mcar
(42,329 posts)She wiped the floor with Carnahan in a candidate forum. She got about 30% of the vote.
It gets discouraging.
Mr.Bill
(24,287 posts)is hiding the scrapes on some of their knuckles from them dragging.
AllaN01Bear
(18,201 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)JHB
(37,160 posts)***
If the Fairness Doctrine convinced conservatives that unbalanced journalism was an institutional problem, Barry Goldwaters 1964 presidential campaign made clear that it was a political problem as well. During his presidential run, the media bedeviled Goldwater. His press secretary even handed out gold pins to reporters that read Eastern Liberal Press.
***
The combined forces of the administration and its conservative media-research wing had an effect. By 1971 CBS Radio had launched Spectrum, a debate show featuring conservatives like Stan Evans, James Kilpatrick, and Phyllis Schlafly. That same year 60 Minutes pitted conservative Kilpatrick against liberal Nicholas von Hoffman in a regular segment called Point/Counterpoint. By then, even the publisher of Human Events, in the midst of selling his paper as an alternative to liberal media, had to admit that conservatives were popping up all over established mediaeven the editorial pages of that holy house organ of Liberalismthe New York Times.
Add to this the WaPo's role in Watergate coverage and both newspapers publishing of the Pentagon Papers. Conservatives needed no prompting from Trump to go on the warpath against the NYTimes. However, like with so many other things, he provides the license for them shed any restraint and let their junk hang out in the open.
Atticus
(15,124 posts)struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)demmiblue
(36,850 posts)pangaia
(24,324 posts)I think this might be only as of 20018-- last census--
EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT
Number
Adults age 25 and older .................................................... 109,867
Less than 9th grade ............................................................... 5,476
9th to 12th grade, no diploma .......................................... 15,031
High School graduate (includes equvalency) ................... 42,766 ---- LOL ! YUP
Some college, no degree ..................................................... 22,669
Associates degree .................................................................. 6,667
Bachelors degree .................................................................. 9,902
Graduate or professional degree ........................................... 7,356
Percent
Percent high school graduate or higher ............................ 81.3%
Percent bachelors degree or higher .................................. 15.7%
struggle4progress
(118,282 posts)LAS14
(13,783 posts)mcar
(42,329 posts)I have, several times.
LAS14
(13,783 posts)mcar
(42,329 posts)The issue has been placed back on the agenda for the 11/19 meeting, but people wanted to express their opinions today.
The commission hall was about 2/3rds full, a true rarity. The majority of the people there were present to support those who were speaking against the commissioners' idiotic decision. There were some great comments.
At least a dozen spoke against the commission; 1 woman spoke in favor of their decision ("the New York Times doesn't do real who-what-when-where-why reporting; they just print opinions" ).
Reporters from the local paper, the Tampa Bay Times and another outlet were there.
One of our speakers, a quite elderly woman, said she had been a public school teacher for 43 years and called the commissioners "scallywags."
Another said that her daughter, who also lives in the county, is afraid to have her kids put their Citrus County addresses on their college admission applications. She also noted that people who are considering moving here are reading this in the media and we could lose business - I noticed a couple of the commissioners sat up at that one.
One brought a copy of Sunday's NYT and suggested they actually read it.
Another read them the 1st Amendment and let them know that their actions violated it.
A young man spoke and talked about the books available at libraries, including Mein Kampf, which need to be available, even if we don't agree with it.
Also, the local paper has said that this issue has broken records re comments. They've never gotten so many in their 125 year history - AND the comments are overwhelmingly against the commissioners. That made me sit up and .
Another day of activism in action. We'll be back on the 19th.
DENVERPOPS
(8,820 posts)I fully expect in a lot of these right wing communities that book burnings are soon to follow........
Demovictory9
(32,455 posts)liberal N proud
(60,334 posts)Censoring free press
trof
(54,256 posts)If not, start one.
Ours, in a small (pop. circa 20,000) coastal Alabama town, raises several thousand dollars for our library for things that the city can't/won't fund.
http://www.foleylibrary.org/FRIENDS.html
http://www.foleylibrary.org/FOFLBkStorePhotos.html
mcar
(42,329 posts)Many were at today's commission meeting.
Again, the issue is not the money - it's already been allocated and it's a fraction of the budget. The issue is that the Library Director doesn't have the authority to sign contracts. The commission must do that. That's all this is about.
We are working hard to make sure they don't "spin" it as a budget thing.
trof
(54,256 posts)Our director can pretty much order whatever he (or our patrons) want.
Could the Friends contract with and pay the NYT directly?
Also, try and get this info out to the community as much as you can.
The commission is censoring what can be in the library.
mcar
(42,329 posts)They have reported that the letters and calls have broken all records for the paper. And they seem to be running 70-30 in favor of free speech.
That gives me hope, despite the idiocy.
trof
(54,256 posts)KY_EnviroGuy
(14,490 posts)Floriduh.........
Just what America needs - - politicized libraries.......
Eugene
(61,894 posts)Source: Reuters
Florida county to revisit rejection of digital New York Times for libraries
Peter Szekely
3 MIN READ
(Reuters) - Responding to a public furor, a Florida county board on Tuesday said it would revisit its decision to reject its library systems request for a digital subscription to the New York Times, whose reporting one member had called fake news.
The Oct. 24 decision by the Citrus County commissioners drew sharp opposition as well as national attention when it came to light in a local report late last week.
One of the most, if not the most, disappointing aspects of all of this has been the vitriol that has come about so quickly, said Jeff Kinnar, chairman of the Board of County Commissioners. I have gotten more foul language in my emails in the last 48 hours than I have gotten in the past three years.
Members of the five-person board in Citrus County, about 75 miles (121 km) north of Tampa, said the request for about $2,700 a year to fund the Times digital version would be taken up again their Nov. 19 meeting.
Come back during the next meeting when its on the agenda, Commissioner Jimmie Smith urged critics of the decision. I dont expect us all to agree on all these issues. But lets have a civil conversation. Stop the name-calling.
-snip-
Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-new-york-times/florida-county-to-revisit-rejection-of-digital-new-york-times-for-libraries-idUSKBN1XF22R
mcar
(42,329 posts)Yes, they've put it on the agenda for 11/19. But the fact that they are trying to make this out to be a "people are being mean to me. Waah!" issue is just sad.
Dark n Stormy Knight
(9,760 posts)Although I've had my complaints with the NYTimes, the idea that they are "fake news," along with CNN, etc. is a massive win for the RW propagandists. It's maddening.