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mcar

(42,329 posts)
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:11 AM Nov 2019

A library wanted a New York Times subscription. Officials refused, citing Trump and 'fake news.'

This is where I live. We work very hard to have a Democratic presence in the midst of wingnut idiocy like this.

I'll be at the County Commission meeting this afternoon, with dozens of other Democrats. I'll be wearing my "I am woman, watch me vote" T-shirt!

****************

A library wanted a New York Times subscription. Officials refused, citing Trump and ‘fake news.’

The librarians of Citrus County, Fla., had what seemed like a modest wish: A digital subscription to the New York Times. For about $2,700 annually, they reasoned, they could offer their roughly 70,000 patrons an easy way to research and catch up on the news.

But when their request came before the Citrus County Commission last month, local officials literally laughed out loud. One commissioner, Scott Carnahan, declared the paper to be “fake news.”

"I agree with President Trump,” he said. “I will not be voting for this. I don’t want the New York Times in this county.”

In a move that is now generating intense online backlash, all five members of the commission agreed to reject the library’s request. The discussion took place on Oct. 24, the same day when the Trump administration announced plans to cancel federal agencies’ subscriptions to the Times and The Washington Post. While there’s no apparent connection — the Citrus County meeting began several hours before the Wall Street Journal broke the news of the new edict — the controversy unfolding in central Florida highlights how politicians nationwide are parroting the president’s disparaging rhetoric about the media.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/nation/2019/11/05/new-york-times-citrus-county-florida-library-subscription-rejected-fake-news/

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A library wanted a New York Times subscription. Officials refused, citing Trump and 'fake news.' (Original Post) mcar Nov 2019 OP
They should ask for the English version of Pravda. KentuckyWoman Nov 2019 #1
It's called Russia Today DBoon Nov 2019 #2
+1 dalton99a Nov 2019 #9
They've been running commercials for RT America on MSNBC featuring a rapper. NCLefty Nov 2019 #66
I believe that is exactly what they should do. ret5hd Nov 2019 #3
Love the smarm! ananda Nov 2019 #31
I find it odd they would have to go to the county commission for a $2700 expenditure. tanyev Nov 2019 #4
It wasn't about the expenditure - the media has gotten that wrong mcar Nov 2019 #5
Got it. That makes more sense. Sadly. tanyev Nov 2019 #7
micro management Captain Zero Nov 2019 #45
A commission of ignorance. madaboutharry Nov 2019 #6
A Confederacy of Dunces progressoid Nov 2019 #23
Gym Jordan's band of MerryMorons! madinmaryland Nov 2019 #50
They're proud to be dumbfucks Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Nov 2019 #8
They are proud to be dumbfucks and educated people are "elites" Mike 03 Nov 2019 #36
Just a stone's throw from The Villages jayschool2013 Nov 2019 #10
This is a very sad and dangerous thing to happen. damn. riversedge Nov 2019 #11
It IS dangerous. LuvNewcastle Nov 2019 #33
Imagine if someone like George Soros would donate the avebury Nov 2019 #12
That would be a good idea. BUT why can't the NYT and Washington Post DONATE free electronic copies usaf-vet Nov 2019 #20
Subscribers would cancel their paid subscriptions FakeNoose Nov 2019 #35
I doubt many people do or would go to a library just to read the NYT or WaPo... pangaia Nov 2019 #37
That is not the case in rural parts of the state. Where I live people do go to the library to access usaf-vet Nov 2019 #49
Nice idea, but not the point mcar Nov 2019 #55
Freedom Of The Press, Where Are You DallasNE Nov 2019 #13
Video here. edbermac Nov 2019 #14
The replies on Youtube are hilarious !! pangaia Nov 2019 #38
There are a large number of charitable foundations that might be willing to donate a subscription dlk Nov 2019 #15
This is, after all, Citrus County, a backwater along the Gulf coast, the reddest part of Florida sop Nov 2019 #16
I've lived here 27 years mcar Nov 2019 #43
We used to drive over from Gainesville to the Crystal River area, to watch manatees relaxing in sop Nov 2019 #46
The nuclear plant is closed, fortunately mcar Nov 2019 #47
I read that article early this morning. BumRushDaShow Nov 2019 #17
If moron-Americans like this, who went out of their way to keep themselves dirt-ignorant . . . MrModerate Nov 2019 #18
I've lived in Florida since 1998. The level of NoMoreRepugs Nov 2019 #19
The Citrus County Commission, proud to be stupid ... Fox News has done its work Botany Nov 2019 #21
This is what worries me most about 2020 elections. mysteryowl Nov 2019 #22
Lots more of us then they are of them. Botany Nov 2019 #24
Indeed. But a clean vote is not a reality. mysteryowl Nov 2019 #25
Yup! Botany Nov 2019 #27
Unfortunately, our electoral system does not respect the will of the majority. olegramps Nov 2019 #32
We have to frame it simply: You can either be pro American or a Republican but you ... Botany Nov 2019 #34
A great Democrat ran for commission in 2018 mcar Nov 2019 #44
Everyone in that photo Mr.Bill Nov 2019 #64
time to de elect these 5 members of the library board . AllaN01Bear Nov 2019 #26
The whole board of commissioners are either perverts or in trouble packman Nov 2019 #28
The words are Trump's but conservatives have had a special loathing for NYT and WaPo... JHB Nov 2019 #29
Ever hear of "book burning"? This is the modern equivalent. nt Atticus Nov 2019 #30
Meet The Shizzwits! struggle4progress Nov 2019 #39
K&R (good lawd) n/t demmiblue Nov 2019 #40
Educational level of Citrus County.. pangaia Nov 2019 #41
DU the community newspaper's online poll struggle4progress Nov 2019 #42
I voted too quickly. "Aghast" was further down. nt LAS14 Nov 2019 #60
You can vote again mcar Nov 2019 #67
Huh. When I went back it only showed a message, not the list of choices. nt LAS14 Nov 2019 #68
Update: Just came from the commission meeting mcar Nov 2019 #48
doesn't this qualify as censorship of the press by a local government?????? DENVERPOPS Nov 2019 #56
kick Demovictory9 Nov 2019 #51
This is censoring the media liberal N proud Nov 2019 #52
Is there a "Friends of the Library" group? trof Nov 2019 #53
We have a very active Friends of the Library group mcar Nov 2019 #54
Yes, I understood that it was politics, not money. trof Nov 2019 #57
The local newspaper has been all over this mcar Nov 2019 #58
The Friends should just do it. trof Nov 2019 #59
Fascism at its finest. n/t KY_EnviroGuy Nov 2019 #61
Florida county to revisit rejection of digital New York Times for libraries Eugene Nov 2019 #62
Oh, those poor little snowflakes! mcar Nov 2019 #63
This is another example of why the situation today is so dire. Dark n Stormy Knight Nov 2019 #65

NCLefty

(3,678 posts)
66. They've been running commercials for RT America on MSNBC featuring a rapper.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 12:32 AM
Nov 2019

I have no idea who they're trying to reach with that.

tanyev

(42,556 posts)
4. I find it odd they would have to go to the county commission for a $2700 expenditure.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:25 AM
Nov 2019

I went to their website, figuring it must be a very small library, but it looks to be of moderate size. The (larger) library system I used to work for had complete autonomy of purchases under $3000, a couple more steps of approval were required for $3000-$50,000, and you had to go to city council for anything above $50,000. Something's weird in Citrus County.

mcar

(42,329 posts)
5. It wasn't about the expenditure - the media has gotten that wrong
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:27 AM
Nov 2019

The funds were already allocated but the library director is not authorized to sign contracts. He just needed the commissioners to sign off on the contract.

tanyev

(42,556 posts)
7. Got it. That makes more sense. Sadly.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:35 AM
Nov 2019

The NYTimes was one of my library's most popular subscriptions. Maybe some Citrus County commissioners will learn this the hard way at their next election.

Mike 03

(16,616 posts)
36. They are proud to be dumbfucks and educated people are "elites"
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:06 PM
Nov 2019

to be ignored or worse, and if you're actually an expert in something, say climate science, forget having a job during this administration.

LuvNewcastle

(16,845 posts)
33. It IS dangerous.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:01 PM
Nov 2019

Some people can't deal with reality, so they try to block it out. I guess they'll buy a radio so everyone can listen to Rush Limbaugh and Alex Jones every day.

avebury

(10,952 posts)
12. Imagine if someone like George Soros would donate the
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:53 AM
Nov 2019

subscription to the library (along with the Washington Post) so that the library could get round the County Commissioners?

usaf-vet

(6,186 posts)
20. That would be a good idea. BUT why can't the NYT and Washington Post DONATE free electronic copies
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:40 AM
Nov 2019

to every library in the country.

ELECTRONIC access shouldn't cost them anymore that it already spends. Their advertisers would like to keep those extended potential customers reading their ads.

AND probably more important looking at the current trends do they really want to keep traitors and grifters in charge of the country.
They could easily find themselves fighting to be seen as the Constitutionally recognized FREE PRESS.

If these traitors and grifters take control of our entire government newspapers might find themselves facing new laws that make it hard (impossible) for newspapers to distribute their product via say a PRIVATIZED mail service. Remember this is a rightwing dream.

FIGHT THEM NOW or fight them with little or no ability to fight back when they have been designated the enemy of the state.

Laugh if you must... but look what less than three years of traitors and grifters have done to tear down our country.

FAKE NEWS is now a part of the daily language surrounding us.

FakeNoose

(32,639 posts)
35. Subscribers would cancel their paid subscriptions
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:04 PM
Nov 2019

...and read the newspapers online for free from the library. I'm sure that's part of it.

Of course the newspapers realize that not everyone can afford a subscription, and the libraries in America are "free for all."

usaf-vet

(6,186 posts)
49. That is not the case in rural parts of the state. Where I live people do go to the library to access
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 03:46 PM
Nov 2019

..... news sites.

Check out movies, audiobooks, and yes books to read. Part of my argument takes into account that at some point if the republicans get their way the post office will be privatized. Then who will keep the subscription if the cost doubles or triples.

mcar

(42,329 posts)
55. Nice idea, but not the point
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:09 PM
Nov 2019

The county commissioners would still have to sign off on the contract with the NYT. Do you really think they'd do that with a donation from Soros?

DallasNE

(7,403 posts)
13. Freedom Of The Press, Where Are You
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:55 AM
Nov 2019

Obviously, only the real fake news is allowed. Which subscriptions do they have - Murdoch owned Wall Street Journal?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
38. The replies on Youtube are hilarious !!
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:15 PM
Nov 2019
No need for it there. Their poor, white racist constituents are illiterate. The NYT doesn’t print enough pictures to entertain them. I’m surprised one of these clowns didn’t object to it being about NY news, as the title implies. I’ve heard that said in many other parts of the country.



dlk

(11,566 posts)
15. There are a large number of charitable foundations that might be willing to donate a subscription
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:07 AM
Nov 2019

It would be worth the time to look into it.

sop

(10,177 posts)
16. This is, after all, Citrus County, a backwater along the Gulf coast, the reddest part of Florida
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:10 AM
Nov 2019

Solidly Republican, 95% white, the largest community is Homosassa Springs, total population is 145,000, per capita income about $18,000/yr, the largest percentage of its residents are over 65.

mcar

(42,329 posts)
43. I've lived here 27 years
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:23 PM
Nov 2019

My kids grew up here. Beautiful springs, and waterways, manatees, great festivals, and one of the best rail trails in the country. And a lot of Democrats fighting an uphill battle for change.

sop

(10,177 posts)
46. We used to drive over from Gainesville to the Crystal River area, to watch manatees relaxing in
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:51 PM
Nov 2019

the warm water discharged from the nuclear plant during the winter months. It's a beautiful part of Florida.

BumRushDaShow

(128,963 posts)
17. I read that article early this morning.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:19 AM
Nov 2019


IMHO, perhaps all Democratic-majority municipalities should pass ordinances that forbid Faux Snooze within any cable/satellite dish subscription (demand a block if it cannot be unbundled).

And yes I will put this here --> for those who are for absolutely no censorship and who might disagree with me but I am serious otherwise.

The interesting difference between Democrats and RW loons is that we "self-police" and remind ourselves of the spirit of the Constitution and the GOP refuses to do any such thing, preferring to go for autocracy of thought and governance. I.e., they embrace tyranny without any consequences or critique from within their party, which includes being free from hounding out of office.
 

MrModerate

(9,753 posts)
18. If moron-Americans like this, who went out of their way to keep themselves dirt-ignorant . . .
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:25 AM
Nov 2019

. . . exceed about 40% of the electorate, Trump will be reelected.

NoMoreRepugs

(9,423 posts)
19. I've lived in Florida since 1998. The level of
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:38 AM
Nov 2019

Dumbfuckery has never stopped increasing since the day I got here. My fellow oldsters (I'm 70) never stop amazing me at how utterly stupid they are about supporting a political party that doesn't give a rat's ass about them, but as long as they say they do it's good enough for the geezers. Perception over reality is in the orange juice down here.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
24. Lots more of us then they are of them.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 10:57 AM
Nov 2019

However we need a clean vote and that is in question

One commissioner, Scott Carnahan, declared the paper to be “fake news.” he would be 2nd from
the right with the bad toupee ... must be why he likes Trump.

mysteryowl

(7,383 posts)
25. Indeed. But a clean vote is not a reality.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:00 AM
Nov 2019

With gerrymandering, voter ID laws, voter roll purging, limiting voting poll access, hacked systems and on and on.

Our only chance is to flood the polls with massive numbers of democratic voters.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
27. Yup!
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:08 AM
Nov 2019

No way Bevin should win this election but he will.

The GOP knows they are a dying breed because of demographics and social issues so
they have to cheat, pack the courts, and reach out to the racist white stupid dumb fucks
who can give them a solid 25 to 30% base.

BTW ever since they passed HAVA (help America vote act) which got us all on electronic
voting machines we have seen a res state shift in voting that does not match population
demographics. Except for places like Oklahoma which is lost.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
32. Unfortunately, our electoral system does not respect the will of the majority.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:47 AM
Nov 2019

Don't be terribly surprised just how close the next election will be if the situation doesn't change radically. The fact is this: the Republican Party is becoming the party of the paranoid White Class whose privileged position in our nation they fear is being threatened by minorities and of course liberal God-hating, immoral, unpatriotic Democrats. It is a situation that is ripe for the exploitation by Republican demagogues who control a substantial share of the news outlets and can spread their outright lies 24/7 without opposition.

At the present I would have to conclude that they are winning the war to overturn the very basis upon which this country was founded: That it is a nation of that is ruled by the laws and not men. It was founded on the basic rebellion against the aristocracy that was above being judged and a law on to itself. Our nation was founded on the principle of one man, one vote all of equal value and to be a nation united by its motto of E pluribus Unum (Out of many one).

We are witnessing the outright contempt for the law by the president who is being joined by numerous Republicans who have taken an oath to protect the constitution and the law of the land. Can a nation survive if very basis of its founding are is contradicted by those entrusted to up hold its laws? As many scholars are warning our democracy is being threatened and the threat should be taken seriously.

I find it less than reassuring when our candidates appear to be more interested in advancing their agenda rather than addressing the mammoth evil that is growing daily virtually unopposed. They are say oh, by the way we must beat Trump, but fail to tell us just why he presents the greatest challenge that our nation is presently facing. The basic truth is that the Republican Party is developed into a criminal enterprise in which each succeeding administration dating from Nixon has been rocked by one scandal after the other. They are so entrenched and sure of their lock-step constituency they are above any challenge. The threat is internal and not from our enemies that will take down the nation.

Botany

(70,504 posts)
34. We have to frame it simply: You can either be pro American or a Republican but you ...
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:03 PM
Nov 2019

... can't be both.

I might be wrong but I think when the Mueller report comes out it will be a game changer
because the level of corruption and crimes will be staggering. McConnell was there @ the
RNC in Cleveland in 2016 when Manafort, team Trump, and Russian/Ukrainian agents changed
the party platform to make it more Putin/Ukrainian Thug friendly. @ that point McConnell
knew "the fix was in."

In Ohio after 2010 the GOP and ALEC (American legislative exchange council) made my vote
for congress all but null and void. In OH 2012 both Obama and Sen. Brown won the state easily
(the real #s might have been much bigger) but 12 of the 15 House seats went to the Rs..

We have to expose the level of corruption and rigging the GOP, right wing media,and the very
rich has done to our nation. Reagan's killing of the fairness doctrine has really hurt.

Watch Bevin "win" his election for Gov. in KY today even though he is underwater.



mcar

(42,329 posts)
44. A great Democrat ran for commission in 2018
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 01:24 PM
Nov 2019

She wiped the floor with Carnahan in a candidate forum. She got about 30% of the vote.

It gets discouraging.

JHB

(37,160 posts)
29. The words are Trump's but conservatives have had a special loathing for NYT and WaPo...
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 11:15 AM
Nov 2019
https://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/01/the-conservative-war-on-liberal-media-has-a-long-history/283149/

Conservatives spent most of the 1950s establishing their own media outlets: publications like National Review and Human Events, publishing houses like Regnery and Devin-Adair, and broadcasts like the Manion Forum and the Dan Smoot Report. But two events in the early 1960s convinced the right that creating conservative media wasn’t enough to achieve balance. Conservatives would also have to discredit existing media.

***

If the Fairness Doctrine convinced conservatives that unbalanced journalism was an institutional problem, Barry Goldwater’s 1964 presidential campaign made clear that it was a political problem as well. During his presidential run, the media bedeviled Goldwater. His press secretary even handed out gold pins to reporters that read “Eastern Liberal Press.”

***

The combined forces of the administration and its conservative media-research wing had an effect. By 1971 CBS Radio had launched Spectrum, a debate show featuring conservatives like Stan Evans, James Kilpatrick, and Phyllis Schlafly. That same year 60 Minutes pitted conservative Kilpatrick against liberal Nicholas von Hoffman in a regular segment called “Point/Counterpoint.” By then, even the publisher of Human Events, in the midst of selling his paper as an alternative to liberal media, had to admit that conservatives were popping up all over established media—even the editorial pages of “that holy house organ of Liberalism—the New York Times.”


Add to this the WaPo's role in Watergate coverage and both newspapers publishing of the Pentagon Papers. Conservatives needed no prompting from Trump to go on the warpath against the NYTimes. However, like with so many other things, he provides the license for them shed any restraint and let their junk hang out in the open.

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
41. Educational level of Citrus County..
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 12:24 PM
Nov 2019

I think this might be only as of 20018-- last census--

EDUCATIONAL ATTAINMENT
Number
Adults age 25 and older .................................................... 109,867
Less than 9th grade ............................................................... 5,476
9th to 12th grade, no diploma .......................................... 15,031
High School graduate (includes equvalency) ................... 42,766 ---- LOL ! YUP
Some college, no degree ..................................................... 22,669
Associate’s degree .................................................................. 6,667
Bachelor’s degree .................................................................. 9,902
Graduate or professional degree ........................................... 7,356
Percent
Percent high school graduate or higher ............................ 81.3%
Percent bachelor’s degree or higher .................................. 15.7%

mcar

(42,329 posts)
48. Update: Just came from the commission meeting
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 03:36 PM
Nov 2019

The issue has been placed back on the agenda for the 11/19 meeting, but people wanted to express their opinions today.

The commission hall was about 2/3rds full, a true rarity. The majority of the people there were present to support those who were speaking against the commissioners' idiotic decision. There were some great comments.

At least a dozen spoke against the commission; 1 woman spoke in favor of their decision ("the New York Times doesn't do real who-what-when-where-why reporting; they just print opinions" ).

Reporters from the local paper, the Tampa Bay Times and another outlet were there.

One of our speakers, a quite elderly woman, said she had been a public school teacher for 43 years and called the commissioners "scallywags."

Another said that her daughter, who also lives in the county, is afraid to have her kids put their Citrus County addresses on their college admission applications. She also noted that people who are considering moving here are reading this in the media and we could lose business - I noticed a couple of the commissioners sat up at that one.

One brought a copy of Sunday's NYT and suggested they actually read it.

Another read them the 1st Amendment and let them know that their actions violated it.

A young man spoke and talked about the books available at libraries, including Mein Kampf, which need to be available, even if we don't agree with it.

Also, the local paper has said that this issue has broken records re comments. They've never gotten so many in their 125 year history - AND the comments are overwhelmingly against the commissioners. That made me sit up and .

Another day of activism in action. We'll be back on the 19th.

DENVERPOPS

(8,820 posts)
56. doesn't this qualify as censorship of the press by a local government??????
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:20 PM
Nov 2019

I fully expect in a lot of these right wing communities that book burnings are soon to follow........

trof

(54,256 posts)
53. Is there a "Friends of the Library" group?
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 07:30 PM
Nov 2019

If not, start one.
Ours, in a small (pop. circa 20,000) coastal Alabama town, raises several thousand dollars for our library for things that the city can't/won't fund.

http://www.foleylibrary.org/FRIENDS.html

http://www.foleylibrary.org/FOFLBkStorePhotos.html

mcar

(42,329 posts)
54. We have a very active Friends of the Library group
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:08 PM
Nov 2019

Many were at today's commission meeting.

Again, the issue is not the money - it's already been allocated and it's a fraction of the budget. The issue is that the Library Director doesn't have the authority to sign contracts. The commission must do that. That's all this is about.

We are working hard to make sure they don't "spin" it as a budget thing.

trof

(54,256 posts)
57. Yes, I understood that it was politics, not money.
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:22 PM
Nov 2019

Our director can pretty much order whatever he (or our patrons) want.
Could the Friends contract with and pay the NYT directly?

Also, try and get this info out to the community as much as you can.
The commission is censoring what can be in the library.

mcar

(42,329 posts)
58. The local newspaper has been all over this
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:32 PM
Nov 2019

They have reported that the letters and calls have broken all records for the paper. And they seem to be running 70-30 in favor of free speech.

That gives me hope, despite the idiocy.

KY_EnviroGuy

(14,490 posts)
61. Fascism at its finest. n/t
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 08:39 PM
Nov 2019

Floriduh.........

Just what America needs - - politicized libraries.......

Eugene

(61,894 posts)
62. Florida county to revisit rejection of digital New York Times for libraries
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:33 PM
Nov 2019

Source: Reuters

U.S. NOVEMBER 5, 2019 / 11:27 AM / UPDATED 4 HOURS AGO

Florida county to revisit rejection of digital New York Times for libraries

Peter Szekely
3 MIN READ

(Reuters) - Responding to a public furor, a Florida county board on Tuesday said it would revisit its decision to reject its library system’s request for a digital subscription to the New York Times, whose reporting one member had called “fake news.”

The Oct. 24 decision by the Citrus County commissioners drew sharp opposition as well as national attention when it came to light in a local report late last week.

“One of the most, if not the most, disappointing aspects of all of this has been the vitriol that has come about so quickly,” said Jeff Kinnar, chairman of the Board of County Commissioners. “I have gotten more foul language in my emails in the last 48 hours than I have gotten in the past three years.”

Members of the five-person board in Citrus County, about 75 miles (121 km) north of Tampa, said the request for about $2,700 a year to fund the Times digital version would be taken up again their Nov. 19 meeting.

“Come back during the next meeting when it’s on the agenda,” Commissioner Jimmie Smith urged critics of the decision. “I don’t expect us all to agree on all these issues. But let’s have a civil conversation. Stop the name-calling.”

-snip-


Read more: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-florida-new-york-times/florida-county-to-revisit-rejection-of-digital-new-york-times-for-libraries-idUSKBN1XF22R

mcar

(42,329 posts)
63. Oh, those poor little snowflakes!
Tue Nov 5, 2019, 09:38 PM
Nov 2019

Yes, they've put it on the agenda for 11/19. But the fact that they are trying to make this out to be a "people are being mean to me. Waah!" issue is just sad.

Dark n Stormy Knight

(9,760 posts)
65. This is another example of why the situation today is so dire.
Wed Nov 6, 2019, 12:30 AM
Nov 2019

Although I've had my complaints with the NYTimes, the idea that they are "fake news," along with CNN, etc. is a massive win for the RW propagandists. It's maddening.

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