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Bayard

(22,062 posts)
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:32 PM Nov 2019

Debunking two viral (and deeply misleading) 2019 (political) maps

Washington (CNN)In the wake of a series of defeats at the ballot box on Tuesday -- Kentucky Gov. Matt Bevin's all-but-certain loss and Democrats' takeover of the Virginia state House and Senate -- Republicans, from President Donald Trump on down, have sought to downplay the meaningfulness of the results.

Arizona Republican party chairwoman Kelli Ward took that rationalizing to new heights late Wednesday when she pushed "send" on this tweet:

Dr. Kelli Ward 🇺🇸

@kelliwardaz
Should we look toward an #ElectoralCollege type system at the state level?

What Ward is driving at -- and what seems to be supported by these county-by-county maps in both Virginia and Kentucky -- is that there is a whole lot more red than blue on those maps. And yet, Democrats won in Virginia and appear to have ousted Bevin in Kentucky too. (Bevin, who trails Democrat Andy Beshear by just more than 5,000 votes, is asking for a recanvassing of the vote.)
Hence Ward's "Should we look toward an #ElectoralCollege type system at the state level?" tweet. Because if, say, every county in a state got one electoral vote (just as a for-instance) then, obviously, looking at the two maps above, the results would be a lot more favorable to Republicans.
The problem with Ward's argument is, well, it's dumb. Very dumb.

And it's dumb for a very simple reason: These county-by-county maps -- whether in a single state or nationally -- are hugely misleading. What they show is land, not population. So, when you see, say, a sparsely populated but large -- geographically speaking -- county in eastern Kentucky colored red and a small county with a major city in it colored blue, your first reaction might be: Hey, wait a minute -- that red county is way bigger!
By that logic, of course, Alaska would be the most important and powerful state in the country. It's super big!

https://www.cnn.com/2019/11/07/politics/kentucky-map-electoral-college/index.html

Good points explained in plain language.

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Debunking two viral (and deeply misleading) 2019 (political) maps (Original Post) Bayard Nov 2019 OP
Dems need a population based scheme. empedocles Nov 2019 #1
To be fair... jberryhill Nov 2019 #2
Perhaps each acre of dirt could count as 3/5ths of a voter. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #6
you trying to say that dirt can't vote? Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #8
About 10-15 years ago weren't they trying to turn blue states into split delegate states... Rstrstx Nov 2019 #3
Not to worry SCantiGOP Nov 2019 #4
Recommended. guillaumeb Nov 2019 #5
woot! includes a link to xkcd Hermit-The-Prog Nov 2019 #7
Great map, thanks. nt crickets Nov 2019 #9
Good points indeed. Duppers Nov 2019 #10
 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
2. To be fair...
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 07:53 PM
Nov 2019

Yes, it’s land and not people. But when the majority of people are dumb as dirt, then the dirt should get a fair say.

Or, uh, something like that.

Rstrstx

(1,399 posts)
3. About 10-15 years ago weren't they trying to turn blue states into split delegate states...
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:12 PM
Nov 2019

...similar to what Maine and Nebraska have now while keeping the red states as winner take all?

SCantiGOP

(13,869 posts)
4. Not to worry
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:12 PM
Nov 2019

Courts have been very consistent for a long time regarding “One man, one vote.”
Other than the US Senate, whose composition is defined in the Constitution, all states must treat each vote equally.

guillaumeb

(42,641 posts)
5. Recommended.
Thu Nov 7, 2019, 08:50 PM
Nov 2019

The national maps are also misleading. Most of the population lives in the blue areas, and the red areas are mainly low population density areas.

But the right loves these misleading graphics because the graphics support the right wing idea that the US is a conservative country.

Duppers

(28,120 posts)
10. Good points indeed.
Fri Nov 8, 2019, 03:38 PM
Nov 2019

And it really annoyed me when Steve Kornacki at MSNBC kept calling the western counties of Kentucky "coal country." Idiot.

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