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Fla Dem

(23,656 posts)
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 10:21 AM Nov 2019

The prophecy of Adam Gopnik in the New Yorker, May 20, 2016


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Adam Gopnik (born August 24, 1956) is an American writer and essayist. He is best known as a staff writer for The New Yorker—to which he has contributed non-fiction, fiction, memoir and criticism since 1986[1]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adam_Gopnik
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The prophecy of Adam Gopnik in the New Yorker, May 20, 2016 (Original Post) Fla Dem Nov 2019 OP
This. MontanaMama Nov 2019 #1
Poignant... Wounded Bear Nov 2019 #2
Should Dems take control of all three branches and embark on wholesale political, social, and Pepsidog Nov 2019 #3
While correct, the countries mentioned never had long-standing democracies Texin Nov 2019 #4
Thank you! Mme. Defarge Nov 2019 #20
Didn't take an Einstein to figure that out. gibraltar72 Nov 2019 #5
WOW he sure hit the mark. usaf-vet Nov 2019 #6
He's right. LuvNewcastle Nov 2019 #7
We will need a lot of education to counter trump's Ilsa Nov 2019 #8
So much of our future hinges on this week. joost5 Nov 2019 #9
Gopnik has the antidote in 2019 book: A Thousand Small Sanities: The Moral Adventure of Liberalism Bernardo de La Paz Nov 2019 #10
"Love is all we need" John Lennon KPN Nov 2019 #22
Thanks I'll look for this book FakeNoose Nov 2019 #23
K & R mountain grammy Nov 2019 #11
+1,000 Canoe52 Nov 2019 #12
Another +1000 Duppers Nov 2019 #14
That ... and racism/white supremacy. Both are belief systems. KPN Nov 2019 #21
Agree.. and I think that's at least half his base. mountain grammy Nov 2019 #36
Yup shanti Nov 2019 #24
I think his biggest asset was being a TV star. Look at how well Oprah polls. oldsoftie Nov 2019 #27
What oldsoftie said! not_the_one Nov 2019 #33
I think that's why the media gave him so much free air time mountain grammy Nov 2019 #35
The problem is the number of people who are ill informed or refuse to believe. Lonestarblue Nov 2019 #13
Every country's going to have those kind of morons though. cstanleytech Nov 2019 #18
The odds are against us shanti Nov 2019 #26
Well said extvbroadcaster Nov 2019 #15
Well said and spot on imo. KPN Nov 2019 #25
Stunning truth. defacto7 Nov 2019 #16
I don't think we're at that stage yet. cstanleytech Nov 2019 #17
"the American experiment would be over" saidsimplesimon Nov 2019 #19
I didn't believe it until a few months ago. Hamlette Nov 2019 #28
Heartbreaking.💔 dewsgirl Nov 2019 #29
previous OP and thread Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #30
Sorry Grasswire2, I did a site search for Adam Gopnik before I posted and your post didn't come up. Fla Dem Nov 2019 #31
oh, it's fine. Just wanted to add link to other comments. Grasswire2 Nov 2019 #34
It does seem already too late. How do we ever fully trust those 62,000,000 who voted for this KPN Nov 2019 #31
Truth... Blue_Tires Nov 2019 #37
And her emails ismnotwasm Nov 2019 #38
...I've been feeling so sad, it's gotten to be a constant undertow BlancheSplanchnik Nov 2019 #39
Wow Roland99 Nov 2019 #40

Pepsidog

(6,254 posts)
3. Should Dems take control of all three branches and embark on wholesale political, social, and
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:13 AM
Nov 2019

economic changes, we might emerge a stronger nation. Trump has exposed our weaknesses and where we go from here is up to us. It’s a tall order and let’s hope one we can fulfill.

Texin

(2,596 posts)
4. While correct, the countries mentioned never had long-standing democracies
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:16 AM
Nov 2019

or representative republics as the United States has had, and established early in its history. All of those countries mentioned were always ruled by monarchs or whichever thug managed to claw their way over the backs of other thugs to seize control. Russia, in particular, is a good example of that, in that it was first ruled by royalty, then by revolution, followed by those people who had supposedly risen to authority who then resorted to thuggery, in which a handful of the most powerful and influential thugs looted the coffers and brutalized their way into control over the majority of citizens.

LuvNewcastle

(16,844 posts)
7. He's right.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:22 AM
Nov 2019

I've lost faith in a lot of people who I thought would stop something like the Trump administration. I hope they're keeping an eye on him and are ready to stop him if he does something too awful. He's probably going to have to be removed by the military if he wins the next election. I just wonder if we'll be in a civil war after that happens.

Ilsa

(61,695 posts)
8. We will need a lot of education to counter trump's
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:31 AM
Nov 2019

destructive influence on democracy.

I'm grateful for movies like Midway that present the depth of sacrifice. We need more that reflect the annihilation brought by fascism.

joost5

(421 posts)
9. So much of our future hinges on this week.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:38 AM
Nov 2019

It's scary as heck. A few patriots doing the right thing for our Constitutional Republic, revealing crimes, while the crazy Faux News right are in bizzaro world believing that it was AcTUaLLy Ukraine and Biden not Russia and Trump that tried to interfere in the 2016 elections. I'd laugh if this weren't so serious.

Bernardo de La Paz

(49,001 posts)
10. Gopnik has the antidote in 2019 book: A Thousand Small Sanities: The Moral Adventure of Liberalism
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:40 AM
Nov 2019

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_Thousand_Small_Sanities

"Adam Gopnik finds kindness at the core of liberal values as he defends a way of life" review https://www.theguardian.com/books/2019/may/12/a-thousand-small-sanities-moral-adventure-liberalism-adam-gopnik-review

"Liberalism is in fact vivid, activist, questing. It is a moral movement to fashion a world for all of us, in our kaleidoscopic complexity, to live, love and learn in. Right now, liberals do not need a philosophy lecture. They need a rallying cry, and Gopnik gives us one." review https://www.brookings.edu/opinions/cry-freedom-review-of-adam-gopniks-book-a-thousand-small-sanities/

An unflattering review https://newrepublic.com/article/153781/emptiness-adam-gopniks-liberalism-review-thousand-small-sanities

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FakeNoose

(32,634 posts)
23. Thanks I'll look for this book
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:14 PM
Nov 2019

I need to read hopeful words from liberals right now. There's way too much despair going around.

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
11. K & R
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:42 AM
Nov 2019

I can see people being taking in by a populist, but Trump is so very dumb, inarticulate, and phony it's almost mind boggling that 62 million Americans accepted this.. I believe much of that acceptance was ordered from the pulpit, and to many, directly from god. I think gay marriage put them over the cliff after abortion brought them to the edge, and the idea of a woman president is a bridge too far for any fundamentalist Christian.

shanti

(21,675 posts)
24. Yup
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:19 PM
Nov 2019

They felt that a Rep, ANY Rep would be better for them than a Dem with regard to their social issues, to their detriment.

oldsoftie

(12,533 posts)
27. I think his biggest asset was being a TV star. Look at how well Oprah polls.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:24 PM
Nov 2019

If he had run without the Apprentice in his history I dont know that he would have won. People are just taken by celebrity bullshit
Look at how long "Keeping up with the Kardashians" has been on. And how they've ruined American culture.

 

not_the_one

(2,227 posts)
33. What oldsoftie said!
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:42 PM
Nov 2019


Name recognition and star power... we are so easily influenced.

And I couldn't agree more about the Kardashians. Filthy rich and world famous for ABSOLUTELY NOTHING. Not to mention Kenya, the hanger-on. (misspelled on purpose)

Remember "It Should Happen To You", with Judy Holliday? She saw a billboard on Columbus Circle, paid to have her name put on it, and became famous just because millions of people saw her name. (Gladys Glover)

Celebrity for nothing.

edit - Holliday has two Ls.

mountain grammy

(26,620 posts)
35. I think that's why the media gave him so much free air time
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 04:53 PM
Nov 2019

good for ratings.. but something had to get people past his obvious incompetence and lack of knowlege about how the government works. Oprah is also a celebrity, but she has intelligence and empathy that we can see, and she wasn't born into wealth.

I don't know, maybe it was, but I look at the fervor for him from the "Christians" and I think there's a lot more going on. My evangelical inlaws are right wing trumpers because their preacher preaches it. You are right about the Kardashian crap.

Lonestarblue

(9,984 posts)
13. The problem is the number of people who are ill informed or refuse to believe.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 11:57 AM
Nov 2019

I forget what I was watching last night, but I saw part of an interview with a Trump supporter who completely believes that some mythical deep state of elites are out to get Trump and that he has never done anything wrong. After justifying her support by quoting conspiracy theories, her last comment was that she believed that Hillary Clinton was behind a lot of the attacks on Trump. I don’t know the real size of Trump’s base because he has lost a lot of independents who voted for him last time, but let’s say it’s around 40 million. That’s 40 million people who have no understanding of what democracy means or even an interest in learning real facts instead of buying into wacko ideas. That’s fightening.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
18. Every country's going to have those kind of morons though.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:40 PM
Nov 2019

Rather than worrying about them we need to focus on getting the people who actually pay some attention out to vote.
If we can get them off their butts to the polls then we have a chance at getting some sanity back on our government.

extvbroadcaster

(343 posts)
15. Well said
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:24 PM
Nov 2019

Trump might be defeated, and go in the trash bin of history, but the wound is deep. How is America so weak as to not be able to remove such an obvious con man and criminal? The real warning is what is next. A real dictator that can charm the voters and Congress with a fake loyalty to America. It is good that Trump is such a crass buffoon. The next time we will not be so lucky.

cstanleytech

(26,291 posts)
17. I don't think we're at that stage yet.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:38 PM
Nov 2019

If he gets a second term yeah we're fucked but otherwise we can still recover at this point.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
19. "the American experiment would be over"
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 12:49 PM
Nov 2019

Thank you, Fla Dem. Adam Gopnik for expressing the horrible possibility that our Republic is in grave danger of becoming a dictatorship.

Hamlette

(15,412 posts)
28. I didn't believe it until a few months ago.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:24 PM
Nov 2019

I thought we would survive and go on as a country. I think it is the GOP reaction to the Ukraine deal that shook me.

I'm also reading "The Cult of Trump" which is quite good and upsetting.

Fla Dem

(23,656 posts)
31. Sorry Grasswire2, I did a site search for Adam Gopnik before I posted and your post didn't come up.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:47 PM
Nov 2019

Had it come up, I wouldn't have duplicated it.

Grasswire2

(13,569 posts)
34. oh, it's fine. Just wanted to add link to other comments.
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 02:52 PM
Nov 2019

The comments on twitter itself are devasting, too.

A remarkable bit of writing.

KPN

(15,643 posts)
31. It does seem already too late. How do we ever fully trust those 62,000,000 who voted for this
Mon Nov 11, 2019, 01:47 PM
Nov 2019

national horror show? How do you put toothpaste back in the tube?

On the upside, we are now aware of our own fallibility. There is that at least.

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