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http://nymag.com/intelligencer/2019/11/republican-thornberry-impeachment-ukraine-trump-he-does-this-all-the-time.html?utm_medium=s1&utm_campaign=nym&utm_source=fb&fbclid=IwAR1q2UaIAfCMiqpA1opa_GroJk_I7MAAfZ_6BOjrxCifyJPofVOV6SL38ng&fbclid=IwAR3KTbpg8nhNyRTCiNawbz6nzZQ8VYZuJn-PP86CEyvFl34rxi9xKPv-I2gthe national interest 9:29 A.M.
Republican: You Cant Impeach Trump for a Crime He Does All the Time
By Jonathan Chait
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Even more amazingly, Thornberry proceeded to argue that Trumps phone call with Ukrainian president Volodymyr Zelensky is not impeachable because there is also so much other public evidence:
Link to tweet
Lets back up. One of the key Republican messaging points throughout this scandal has been to pretend that Trumps phone call with Zelensky is the only piece of evidence against him. In fact, as has been obvious from the outset, the call is merely one small element of a monthslong campaign to leverage Ukraines desire for a meeting and military aid to force it to investigate Trumps domestic rivals. Numerous figures, both inside and outside the government, applied this pressure. The normal Republican game is first to ignore all the evidence except the phone call, and then to interpret the edited transcript of the call in a wildly obtuse fashion so as to pretend that it does not also incriminate Trump. (As long as he does not use the words quid pro quo over the phone, theres no trade being implied.)
Thornberry tries to use this defense. He treats the phone call as if its the entirety of the case. But then, rather than insist the phone call was perfect, he concedes it was kinda bad. At that point, though, Thornberry pivots to pointing out that the call is no different than things Trump says in public all the time.
Thats true! Trump does solicit foreign countries to investigate his rivals in public all the time. Hes even declared that he has an absolute right to do the very thing hes being accused of. Of course he pressured Ukraine to smear his opponents. The sane interpretation of this fact pattern is to wonder what we are even debating here.
Instead, Thornberry works from the premise that the phone call is the entirety of the evidence, then argues that since theres also so much other evidence against Trump, we have to let him go.
Maybe if somebody was caught on tape ordering a murder, but also went around in public ordering his henchmen to commit murders, Thornberry believes they need to be set free. Or maybe hes merely the latest Republican to prove Trumps boast that he could shoot somebody on Fifth Avenue and wouldnt lose any support.
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Eyeball_Kid
(7,431 posts)But then, he's defending the Trumpy. Amorality is a prerequisite.
patricia92243
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The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,683 posts)even though law school is a shit-ton of work, you can be galactically stupid and still manage to graduate. If he ever leaves Congress and goes into private law practice, and you need a lawyer to defend you in a criminal trial, do not hire him if his proposed defense of you is to the effect that you shouldn't be convicted because you commit crimes all the time.
blogslut
(38,000 posts)He's got a family ranch and a full congressional pension. I'm glad to see the back of him.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,611 posts)OF COURSE WE CAN IMPEACH HIM, AND WE WILL.
Yes, I'm shouting. This idiot is absolutely wrong.
Takket
(21,563 posts)I remember him asking Russia to help hack into the Clinton e-mails, but he wasn't really "holding anything over" Russia's head at that request.
At what point in public has he called for something to be withheld from a foreign nation in exchange for them attacking a political rival? *Hint: this is a trick question. Proving he committed extortion twice isn't "better" than having only done it once*
SWBTATTReg
(22,114 posts)moron. Thornberry should be kicked in the a&& and never given another TV spot for an interview or such. He's too stupid.
KentuckyWoman
(6,679 posts)Well yes he is guilty but this is just every day Don the Con so who cares.
Mulvaney said the same.
Basically, this Ukraine thing is nothing compared to all the crap we don't know about yet.
tanyev
(42,552 posts)We were concerned something was wrong with him, said a bank spokesman.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,311 posts)because it's so goddamn fucking stupid.
Scroll to the end of the NY mag article, and the next one looks like satire too: "Trump Deletes Tweet Supporting Sean Spicer After His Dancing With The Stars Loss". There's no act of pettiness and cowardice he won't stoop to.